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Savoia 28th Mar 2011 18:36

The Penny Drops!
 
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TRC: BEHG has appeared a couple of times on the Nostalgia thread (with pop-outs) and I didn't think much of it. Then, today, I was sent this image of her wearing shorts and, lo and behold, the penny drops and I recalled that this was the ship used by you and the welly-wearing John Ackroyd-Hunt in the rescue of the Dancer!

On checking the ownership details one discovers that 'HG' was in the 'Willowbrook' stable (a Mann company I think) at the time that the Dancer got into trouble.

I remember that when Col. Bob called up Mann's (probably the Savage) he specifically mentioned that you might be better off bringing a ship fitted with 'highs' because of the depth of the furrows in the field. Then JAH and co. turned up in BEHG wearing shorts and had to fuss around trying to find a firm enough portion of soil with the right amount of slope so as to avoid getting stuck in the mud!

That incident must now be 30 odd years ago!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/__...osiezny%29.jpg
AB206B JetRanger III G-BEHG at Cranfield on 4th September 1981. The craft used by TRC and John Ackroyd-Hunt to rescue Colin Chapman's 206 G-AYTF after it suffered an engine failure. (Photo: Alan Mosiezny).

Sav

wiganairways 28th Mar 2011 20:29

Willowbrook
 
Savioa.

The address given in records for this company was in Derby Road,Loughborough, Willowbrook was a builder of bus and coach bodies, the company seemed to have, over time, had Jet Rangers and Agusta A109 in operation in Alan Mann colours,109 HWBK is the first to my mind.
JR's were BEHG,BGGX and BGGY.

TRC 28th Mar 2011 21:04

G-BEHG

Originally bought new by Greenham Plant Hire to replace their previous 206 - G-BCVZ. Both flown by the late Paul Midgley. He had previously flown the 206 for Streeters of Godalming (reg forgotten - grey/red/white scheme, exported to the US I think).

HG then went to Compass Helicopters in Bristol. Company set up by Gilbert Greenall of the brewery family who did his PPL at Mann's and bought a 47G-3B1 (reg forgotten too).

Compass' pilot was a very pleasant ex-crab called Mike something.

No doubt someone will fill the gaps.

Willowbrook

They were indeed coachbuilders, I think the then MD was a helicopter fan.
They also owned a 206L11 G-HBUS.

Trouble was, the heli-friendly MD retired/resigned/fired/whatever, and his replacement didn't share the hobby.

Eggs and basket comes to mind.

Same thing happened later in my illustrious career with Unipart and hot-air balloons.

helihub 30th Mar 2011 08:08

Compass CP = Bill Bailey, I think. They later had G-BHXV in the same scheme as G-BEHG above.

Willowbrook heli-friendly MD = George Hughes? (I think that's why it was G-HWBK)

TRC 30th Mar 2011 09:13

Compass
 
Bill Bailey was at Compass, but I remember Mike being there before him. Not 100% certain though.....

Savoia 30th Mar 2011 16:32

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Helihub came up with an important discovery (well, to nostalgia fans) on the 'Oldest Helo' thread regarding an AgustaBell 206B G-CPTS.

The craft was bought from Mann's in 1978 by Hothfield Carpets (hence the registration) of Skipton, Yorkshire. Then in 1980 she was registered to Anthony Aspinall (perhaps Hothfield's owner given that his address is also in Skipton). CPTS has remained in Aspinall's ownership to this day - some 31 years on - 33 if Aspinall is the same as Hothfield!.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/__...20Heley%29.jpg
AB206B G-CPTS at Blackpool on 28th April 1984. (Photo: Derek Heley)

Perhaps the boys from Mann may recall some details of CPTS delivery and subsequent operations? Would also be interesting to view a more recent image of her.

Sav

Planemike 30th Mar 2011 17:19

Bruce Aspinall was in the owner/MD of Hothfield Carpets and is credited with introducing "Berber" style carpets to the UK. The business was sold to the Gaskell Group. The mill closed in the 1990s.

Planemike

TRC 30th Mar 2011 17:47

G-CPTS
 
Don't recall that one at all..

helihub 30th Mar 2011 18:52

OK, here are some AMH thoughts to get some more of you adding to this thread.
  • Four AB412s registered to AMH in Feb 83, cancelled in Jun 84. G-BKNR/S/T/U and I think I remember a b&w photo of one with its G reg appearing in Helicopter International (Heli1 will know). None ever made it to the UK - why did AMH have these registered in their name for 16 months?
  • Four AB206s registered to AMH Jun 81. G-BIZA/B/C/D of which C & D were never reported. BIZA became G-VANG for Vanguard Removals and BIZB was on AMH fleet for some years
  • Noel Edmonds - JetRanger G-NOEL, Squirrel G-NOEI in Marlboro colours (cr Silverstone Jan-87), Squirrel G-HMAN in Adidas colours. Was NE still working with AMH when he had Squirrel G-BGIM in gold with "Rainford Group" titles? Had company "Helicopter Management" - hence HMAN reg.
  • buying four 47G4As from Bristow - G-AXKK, AXKO in Nov89 and
    AXKX in Feb90 plus AXKU which was sold on immediately to a customer as G-MASH
  • a Reigate based 206 landing in fog (vis <50m I recall) c 1990-1 and PPL(H) pilot being confident of landing because he had designed the new DME which was being trialled at Fairoaks
  • Star Aviation fleet - JetRangers BAML and BAZN and F1 Twin Squirrel BSSM later replaced with an F2 G-BSLL
  • Toleman Group (F1 links) who had JetRanger G-TPTR and swapped it in for LongRanger G-HBUS already referred to. Owner Ted Toleman - (Toleman car transporters) and twin sons Michael and Gary (the latter sadly murdered in South Africa in 1983). Argh, I even remember their car number plates - Ted had ET2 and The Toleman Twins had TTT222 and 222TTT.

There now, that should keep you going for an evening or three!

helipixman 30th Mar 2011 20:28

Willowbrook/Streeters/Gilbert Greenall
 
Hope this will bring memories back to TRC

Streeters had two Jetrangers:-
G-BARO Bell 206B II which went to the US as N47122
G-BFND Agusta Bell 206B II which was sold to Warner Holidays Ltd

Gilbert Greenalls Bell 47 was G-BHAR

In addition to previously mentioned George Hughes - Willowbrook helis:-
J/r G-BEHG, BGGX, G-BGGY
A109 G-HWBK
L/r G-HBUS

he also had G-OAMH 16.1.80 - 3.12.82

Helipixman

DennisK 30th Mar 2011 20:43

More for 'S'
 
Hi Savoia,

Yes, that wonderful character and big lorry man, Tony Walker ... (always laughing & even added a 'smiley' to his cheques!) WAS a client of Spooner when I sold and taught him to fly Enstrom 28a, G-BBHE in November 1973 ... AND yes, it did win a 'concours' event oop north! In fact that year the Enstrom won Fortune Magazine's 'best industrial product of the year' award. Tony Walker changed the Enstrom for the B206 which gave him no end of Allison trouble I seem to recall. Surprise, surprise ... Allison claimed he'd never completed the compressor washes!

Second tack. Streeters of Godalming was also a Spooner client when Nick Streeter purchased B206, G-BASE, but a little less certain on that reg. 'tis the age you see!

Best wishes to all. Dennis Kenyon.

TRC 30th Mar 2011 21:10


Four AB412s registered to AMH in Feb 83......... why did AMH have these registered in their name for 16 months?
It was a deal between AMH and Agusta. They were for Iran. Agusta couldn't deal with Iran so they were to be laundered through the UK. We were to go out there and fit fire-fighting gear to them, but it fell through for some reason. Pity - we stood to be paid a ton of money each for about a month's work doing the mods.


G-TPTR

Registered as such to stand for 'Toleman Powerboats Toleman Racing'. Had the pleasure of accompanying the great AD on a flight from Fairoaks to Greece in TR to make two episodes of 'Hart to Hart'.


G-BFND

Had to go to Goodwood one cold winter day to replace the fuel tank drain valve when it was owned by Warners. Someone had told them that if the valve doesn't fully shut when you do a drain they should poke a bit of wire up it. They did, a coathanger, and it emptied the tank onto the grass overnight.


G-BHAR

Gilbert wanted to keep it in Army green, but was advised that it wouldn't be too visible. He and I spent ages deciding on the size and position of a number of dayglo triangles that might make the thing a bit more visible.
Ended up with a 12" one on each tank, and a 4" triangle on each door over the inside Emerg Exit decal, and on each side of the vertical fin. Visible from about 50 feet on a bright day of course. He was happy though.

helipixman 30th Mar 2011 21:18

G-BGIM
 
Helihub

Was G-BGIM owned by Noel Edmonds (Rainford titles) or leased ?

I have owner as Lord Glendyne, 14.2.79 - 1.7.88 before becoming G-OKAT.

Helipixman

helihub 30th Mar 2011 22:36

Helipixman - AFAIK Squirrel BGIM was only managed by his company Helicopter Management. But of course you cannot rely on every change of ownership showing up on the register :)

Savoia 31st Mar 2011 16:59

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5296/...01659a49_z.jpg
How the fair oaks of the 'Mannsted' looked in 2009


Dennis Kenyon wrote: Much of the Roger Moore 'Spy Who Loved Me' remote control scene was filmed using a full size mock-up which later stood in the AMH hangar at Fairoaks for a number of years gathering dust.
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5051/...94058906_z.jpg
Mock-up of the Bell 206 'owned' by Stromberg in the 1977 Bond film 'The Spy Who Loved Me' - now kept at the James Bond Museum in Cumbria.

We touched on this topic on the Nostalgia thread but .. I'm not entirely sure as to whether we resolved which craft was actually used in 'The Spy Who Loved Me'.

It was previously suggested that the craft re-painted in the above colours was G-BAKS. BAKS, we know, played a prominent role in the 1981 'For Your Eyes Only' movie - the flying sequence performed by Marc Wolfe. But, is it safe to assume that BAKS also starred in 'The Spy Who Loved Me'?

As with all the Bond films 'The Spy Who Loved Me' was filmed all over the place but I'm fairly confident that the flying sequences were performed in Sardinia in 1976 by John Crewdson. Can anyone reveal the identity of the aircraft which Crewdson flew? My godfather told me that John wore a wig during the flying sequences - and looked 'very pretty'! I am hoping that with the mock-up being tucked away in Mann's hangar that the lads from Mann may remember the actual aircraft involved.

In the unofficial Bond film 'Never Say Never Again' (1983) I have a feeling that a Mann aircraft was used (ever so briefly) for the landing shot by Miximillian Largo on board the 'Flying Saucer' yacht. The other helicopter featured in that film was a Bo105 which somewhat unceremoniously dropped Bond (or one of his colleagues) into a well!

Anyone in the know - please do enlighten us!

Sav

treadigraph 31st Mar 2011 22:40

"The Spy Who Loved Me" is in my DVD player right now. Whoever did the 180 spot turn a smidgen over the top of the Lotus was a cracking pilot!

Dunno how well John Crewdson stood in for Caroline Munroe -she was, and probably still is, a very attractive woman!

Fixed wing maybe, but "Eveything But The Flak" is a book worth seeking out if you are interested in John Crewdson.

Savoia 1st Apr 2011 14:07

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Treadigraph: Thanks for the book tip, will certainly check it out!

John Crewdson's handiwork in the 'Spy Who Loved Me' posted below with Treadigraph's 'spot turn' appearing at 3:20. More about Crewdson on the Nostalgia thread.


TRC: No more details on the voyage with TPTR to Greece? Got to meet Stefanie Powers in the mid 80's in Kenya on a number of occasions - a dinner followed by a snooker game at the Muthaiga Club especially stands out in my memory. A thoroughly pleasant woman.

Sav

treadigraph 1st Apr 2011 15:31

I've just spotted the breakdown in my thought process between the first two paragraphs in my previous post! Well, I had spent the evening at a leaving do, so I'm surprised it is lucid at all...!

"Everything But The Flak" was written by Martin Caidin by the way and is about bringing three B-17s over the Pond to film "The War Lover" - more here...

helipixman 4th Apr 2011 12:58

G-BOLA
 
Picture for Savoia

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5078/...52e600c3_b.jpg

Picture from Helipixman collection

vfr440 4th Apr 2011 14:52

G-BOLA
 
That'll be the Bernard Ashley machine, then. Good one too. Also one to which we fitted a (primitive by modern standards) glass cockpit. Weighed tons! And the equipment wasn't too happy with heli-vibrations as I recall.
VFR

Savoia 5th Apr 2011 19:17

Laura Ashley
 
Helipix: Many thanks for posting BOLA. You must have one of the few remaining images of her!

Prior to BOLA Laura Ashley operated an AgustaBell 206B G-BMKM (which Mann's sold them in 85/6). Word in the hangar is they may have had another craft before this!

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/__...els%201986.jpg
Laura Ashley's AgustaBell 206B seen at Brussels Zaventem c. 1987

Sav

helihub 5th Apr 2011 22:43

The following Bell helicopters were believed to have been delivered via Fairoaks (I'll put together an AB206 listing soon too). Hope this jogs a few memories and photos...

B206B3
4374 G-CTPW Control Techniques
4401 G-DBMW Lind, Norwich
4409 G-DENN Abbeyflight Ltd
4475 G-NEWZ Peter Press Ltd
4494 G-MOTA John Sandle Motors
4511 G-OBAM Shawford Park Helicopters
4513 EI-MER Mercury Engineering
4523 EI-PRI Accorp / Rocca Tiles
4551 G-RJTT Air Deluxe

B206L4
52257 G-JGBI Dorbcrest Homes, Wigan

B407
53137 N7238A Chris de Berg (later became C-FCDB,G-DCDB with same owner)
53186 N52245 J J B Sports,
53282 N44504 Ryan, Dublin
53375 N407RB Roland Bardsley Homes

B430
49028 EI-WAV Westair Aviation (owner was McManus, right?)

helihub 5th Apr 2011 22:59

The Ashley 109A2 in another guise

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4084/...fc00feb2aa.jpg

and in another scheme

http://www.abpic.co.uk/images/images/1209528F.jpg

The Ashley 47G5 G-BPAI at Compton Abbas (Ashley had a place out that way as well as Wales and the boat)

http://www.abpic.co.uk/images/images/1163199F.jpg

In fact I remember seeing a 300C parked up at the place in Dorset. It was N9599F which operated in UK on the N reg for some time and was later G-BXMY (was this linked to Ashley?) It's always been in the grey scheme shown here

http://www.abpic.co.uk/images/images/1087101F.jpg

helihub 5th Apr 2011 23:16

B206B
 
Here are photos of most of those 206s
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../3/0361348.jpg

http://www.airteamimages.com/pics/91/91941_800.jpg

http://images3.jetphotos.net/img/1/6...1173880656.jpg

http://www.abpic.co.uk/images/images/1142341F.jpg

http://www.irishairpics.com/images/i...es/1005075.jpg

http://i.pbase.com/g3/91/59491/2/54986574.grjtt.jpg

http://images3.jetphotos.net/img/1/0...1147567220.jpg

helihub 5th Apr 2011 23:37

206l4, 407, 430
 
and most of the rest for good measure....

http://www.heliforum.com/php/uploads/photos/1215.jpg

Some 407s

JJB's N52245 later became G-GAJW

http://i.pbase.com/g4/91/59491/2/62522293.XSSohPm7.jpg

N407RB became G-IORB with same owner

http://i.pbase.com/u25/mikerice/larg...492.GIORB1.jpg



and the 430

http://www.irishairpics.com/images/i...es/1035345.jpg

milan55 6th Apr 2011 08:07

High Road to China
 
Hi,
Great pilot Mr. David Perrin who fly in Rothmans Aerobatic group.I had a opportunity to meet him and Mr. Antony Biancchi, "Tony" as well as some mechanics from Personal Plane services during shooting of film :"High Road to China" on location in that time Yugoslavia mostly on airfild Grobnik near Rijeka.I work with them for a half year as a contact person between film flying crew and airclub "Krila Kvarnera" where I was doing my ICAO 2 years apprenticeship for aircraft mechanic licence.
One Sunday as I remember helicopter G-FILM took off with three persons on board for a short flight, to bring the second pilot for ferry flight of a third Stamp biplane, from 20 min flight time distanced Boljunsko Polje to Grobnik airfield.On a flight there happened a tragical and fatal accident where all thee persons died.Couse of accident was low level flight and helikopter cought a tipical cable used for a local residents to pull, transport goods on a hilly terrain:
Crew of a helicopter was:
1982 David Perrin (Stunt-Pilot), Jaron Anderson (Mechaniker), Nigel Thornton (Hubschrauberpilot):. Film "High Road to China"

This helicopter (registered G-FILM) was used for training and film work until it crashed in Yugoslavia in 1982 killing the pilot! ...
Some links to my photografs taken in that time:

Film High Road to China pictures from college photos on webshots

http://inlinethumb25.webshots.com/27...600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/45...600x600Q85.jpg

helipixman 6th Apr 2011 17:15

Streeters Jetrangers
 
A photo of each of the Streeters Jetrangers mentioned in post 43 by TRC


http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6010/...7c6d8f7a_b.jpg
G-BARO Bell 206B Jetranger II c/n 971... this is the one sold in the USA.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5032/...39604569_b.jpg

G-BFND Agusta Bell 206B Jetranger II c/n 8553.... this is current in the UK as G-BYSE.

Photos from the Helipixman collection

Savoia 10th Apr 2011 06:53

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Helipix: Great photos! Can anyone provide any more details on the Streeters operation?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/__...Stephen%29.jpg
Agusta 109A MkII seen at Shoreham on 12th March 2011. (Photo: Martin Stephen)

Originally delivered by Mann's as G-EJCB at the end of 1984 to the late John 'Chalky' White - he of the mechanical diggers!

Looking at the above, just wondered whether there are any other 'bits' of the MkII one can throw away in order to save weight!

Sav

vfr440 11th Apr 2011 06:55

A109 weight saving
 
S
I sincerely hope that the aircraft was on maintenance ................ I don't see the TCH permitting such a modification!!

But there's a story about the lower fin (of course there is!). The A109 was designed by Ing Lovera and the late Ing Bellavita. The latter was the aerodynamicist; I met him on occasion at Cascina Costa, and I was very impressed - a gentleman, and extremely well-read in his discipline. I think it was he who insisted upon the lower fin being added to the orginal basic design which actually was more like the A109 E and derivatives. You can tell it was an add-on if you look at the structural aspect. The upper fin has both a forward and trailing edge spar and a transition frame to the tailboom. The lower fin, as an assembly, is just bolted on with a formed L-shaped fabrication and either 8 or 12 AN3 bolts into anchor nuts. (I forget just how many, but it is completely at odds with the careful integrated design of the rest of the airframe).

Bellavita went to the big bar in the sky some years ago; I see the hand of Lovera in the later A109 marques though.............;).

You are (physically) closer so could confirm the above, but I think it was that way. ~VFR

Savoia 18th Apr 2011 06:53

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VFR: I shall certainly make some enquiries among friends at AW! I do know however that there was a 'fin removing mod' which applied to a military variant of the 'C' model, specifically the 109BA.

Alan Mann was said to have a business partner, the Greek shipping magnate Niki Papadakis, and it is also said that it was because of Papadakis that Mann's colours were yellow and black (those of Papadakis' shipping line) as opposed to the colours of Alan Mann racing which were red and gold.

Can anyone verify this and does anyone remember Niki Papadakis?

Sav

TRC 18th Apr 2011 19:36


...Mann's colours were yellow and black (those of Papadakis' shipping line)... Can anyone verify this and does anyone remember Niki Papadakis?

I remember Niki. Nice bloke, didn't see him often. Two particular things stick in my memory -bowling him out twice in consecutive balls when he came to watch a Fairoaks C.C. game (not surprising really), and shaking his hand (mine full of Crazy Foam or something similar) when he came to see us during an AMH Eng Christmas lunch - we had them in the crewroom, cooked and brought in by one of the eng's wives and very enjoyable they were too.

Not sure about the colours, his House colours seem to have been yellow and white with blue stripes, and a black 'P'.

Took this when we did some USL's onto one of his ships, the Point Clear, in mid-channel.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j212/teeo1/TRC3.jpg

LAS1997 19th Apr 2011 08:06

I was watching an old episode of the TV cop series from the 1970's 'The Sweeney' the other day. Quite a lot of Fairoaks features, the West Entrance in particular and a scene when an AMH Bell 47 fly's over; I can not see the registration; but she is in the famous white yellow and black colours; can anyone help identify it? The year would have been either 1974, 75 or 76.

TRC 19th Apr 2011 10:09


... an AMH Bell 47 fly's over; I can not see the registration; but she is in the famous white yellow and black colours; can anyone help identify it?
That would be G-BBRI. (Picture here)


G-BCVZ (re. post 43)

This photo turned up while I was looking for the Papadakis flag pic.

After it was sold by Greenhams it suffered a compressor seize while parked. This is it being recovered by road from near Arundel in Sussex.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j212/teeo1/TRC1.jpg

NutLoose 19th Apr 2011 11:58

I have several of their old stickers unused in my desk somewhere, the balck with a gold Jet Ranger on and Alan mann Helicopters around the op.

TRC 19th Apr 2011 12:18


Mann's colours were yellow and black
That's a point - when I joined AMH in 1974, their colours were in the process of being changed from Brown & Gold (which was HORRIBLE) to the familiar yellow/white/black.
The stationery was beige with brown lettering and a gold am, even the typewriter ink was brown.......

The 206 scheme was all-over chocolate brown up to the engine/xmsn fairings which were gold. (I think... it was 37 years ago :eek:).

Edit: Found this b/w picture, shows that the brown 'tide-mark' was lower than I remember it.
It was a ghastly scheme ...

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j212/teeo1/TRC5.jpg

Savoia 19th Apr 2011 17:07

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TRC: Great stuff! :ok:

Little or nothing in the public domain about Papadakis! Brilliant that you should have a shot of the company flag.

You make reference (above) to G-AVSN (A Ferranti ship) in post #43, did you mean G-BCVZ?

Sav

TRC 19th Apr 2011 17:32


You make reference (above) to G-AVSN (A Ferranti ship) in post #43, did you mean G-BCVZ?

Yes I did, complete brain-fade. :O
Corrected now, thanks.

Tarman 20th Apr 2011 07:44

http://www.abpic.co.uk/images/images/1077163F.jpg

G-BCVZ is still flying in Ireland as EI-BIJ

Tarman

Savoia 20th Apr 2011 08:15


.. suffered a compressor seize while parked.
Excuse my ignorance but what kind of seizure was this (bearings?) and what are the causes?

Sav

TRC 20th Apr 2011 09:21


Excuse my ignorance but what kind of seizure was this...
Also known as N1 turbine lock-up - carbonising of the bearings in the hot end, etc.
Can't recall the reason in this case.


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