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HeliHenri 15th Apr 2016 13:38


Originally Posted by Hughes500 (Post 9344913)
My Imagination but Cabri's seem to be having a few problems, was told 14 of 100 or so have crashed ? Not sure how true that is but, anyone really know what is going on. No this is not bashing the product just curious


Hello H500,

Sure, the fact that you're commercially operating 3 H300 in a country where the number of G2 is increasing very quickly has nothing to do with your curiosity ! :cool:

hoppefully, you've changed few words in your last need of curiosity 7 months ago ;) :

Originally Posted by Hughes500 (Post 9117015)
Is it my imagination or are there rather a large amount of accidents for the number produced, I was told 4 weeks ago that 11 out of about 100 had gone down, with these 2 that would make an attrition rate of 13% I know that it is a small sample but.
Comments please and I am not bashing the machine just curious


Anyway, that's a good question (as all the questions about safety) and with the number of G2 flying now (more than 100), it will be easier to compare this year the accident figures and rate with the H300 (just by curiosity:)).


P.S : the video is very impressive
.

Rotorbee 15th Apr 2016 14:59

What's so impressive about a burning helicopter?

Found another one:
http://www.sust.admin.ch/pdfs/AV-berichte//HB-ZOA.pdf
Botched autorotation.
That makes 17

Hughes500 15th Apr 2016 15:07

HH

Not trying to be nasty here but just seems to be a lot happening with them. I am a big fan of the machine but makes no sense for me to buy or run them when I have $700k of spares for my 300's and I run 500's which are a 300 on steroids !

HeliHenri 15th Apr 2016 15:10


Originally Posted by Rotorbee (Post 9345185)
What's so impressive about a burning helicopter?

That's just because I'm a very sensitive person.

Or maybe that's just because I can't forget that most of the time that such an event occur, pilot and pax are Inside ...
.

HeliHenri 15th Apr 2016 15:17


Originally Posted by Hughes500 (Post 9345194)
HH

Not trying to be nasty here but just seems to be a lot happening with them. I am a big fan of the machine but makes no sense for me to buy or run them when I have $700k of spares for my 300's and I run 500's which are a 300 on steroids !

H500

You already know what I'm thinking about your (reasonable) choices and I can't argue your true comments !
(and always happy to hear that you're a big fan of the G2). :)

Rotorbee 15th Apr 2016 18:58

Well Hughes500, it might make sense to sell your 300's with spares for a profit to somebody desperate and buy Cabri's.
I do not know about the service quality of Guimbal, but it can hardly be worse than Sikorsky.

claudia 15th Apr 2016 19:32

H500 probably has more 300 spares than Sikorsky!!
I am curious and concerned about the fire after what would appear
to be only a heavy landing.

whoknows idont 15th Apr 2016 19:33

Selling 300 spares right now, I don't know. I bet they wont depreciate in value any time soon... :*

Rotorbee 15th Apr 2016 19:56

Depends. Shelf life isn't infinitive for many parts.
Wonders happen. Lockheed might see a point in good service and parts availability. Or they just kill the 300 for good.

Cyril Lambiel 15th Apr 2016 23:38

It is very impressive how HH "bites" whoever dares to write something about the Cabris which is not blissfully positive...

On a French website I've even been censored after having simply said that the rotor head of the Cabri is somewhat low compared to a R22 (I've hit a blade with my head while walking toward the cockpit on a uneven surface).
Oh, I also tried to say that the power/weight ratio of the Cabri and R22 are very close.

Is it only me or is there some people acting more like commercial agents on some websites?

This being said, there is a video showing a Cabri on fire, this, at least, cannot be hidden.

CL

Freewheel 16th Apr 2016 00:09

At least 130 Cabris now.

For the accident rate, please see the R22 advocate's book of excuses, choose the one which suits ;-p

Hot and Hi 16th Apr 2016 08:10


Originally Posted by Cyril Lambiel (Post 9345623)
I've hit a blade with my head while walking toward the cockpit on a uneven surface

I hope the blades were not turning though. Anyway, must be Gazelle heritage.

evil7 16th Apr 2016 13:49

@Claudia

It was definately not a hard landing!!

The pilot was able to land the aircraft and left it without any injuries.

The blades are hanging due to the fire.

If it would have been a hard landing the landing gear and / or the tail boom would have suffered.

claudia 18th Apr 2016 20:00

evil7, Thanks for the info.
So, it did not have to crash to go on fire like the robbos,
it burst into flames in flight !! If thats the case very concerning indeed.

Glad to see the pilot got out safely.

helihub 19th Apr 2016 17:54


At least 130 Cabris now.
Freewheel - you can up your numbers...

1140 left Aix on delivery today, and should arrive UK tomorrow at Wycombe Air Park.
1141 departs for the UK tomorrow, expecting to arrive Thursday.

Freewheel 20th Apr 2016 01:13


Originally Posted by helihub (Post 9349434)
Freewheel - you can up your numbers...

1140 left Aix on delivery today, and should arrive UK tomorrow at Wycombe Air Park.
1141 departs for the UK tomorrow, expecting to arrive Thursday.


130 odd flying then....

evil7 20th Apr 2016 11:18

@claudia

Please do not exaggerate the incident.

The helicopter did not "Burst into Flames" in flight. It caught fire - which is bad enough - and then, after the landing, the fire got bigger and engulfed the whole aircraft due to the lack of available fire fighting equipment at the landing site. The pilot conducted a controled landing under power.

So please stay realistic.:}

Always happy landings:ok:

cattletruck 22nd Apr 2016 11:23

Pah, I've had the venerable Lycoming O-320 burst into flames just after take-off in sh!tbox Cherokee. It was traced down to a maintenance issue.

Vertical Freedom 22nd Apr 2016 11:40

Yep.....I've had a had an electrickery fire on an ole H269A a quarter of a century ago......scared the bejeezus outa me, but all was ok :\ Shite happens.....(sometimes) :{

claudia 22nd Apr 2016 12:15

evil7. I am being realistic! Dress it up as you wish but that Cabri
had a REAL fire, that is no exaggeration.


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