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Robbiee 4th Feb 2022 21:37


Originally Posted by CGameProgrammerr (Post 11179865)
The Cabri costs nearly as much as an R44 Raven I, but is slower with much less storage and half the seats. However it has a much more luxurious and upscale cockpit, every switch feels high-quality, and the visibility is better - not due to the lack of center pillar but because the instrument panel is lower, especially with glass panel, and its full-fuel range is even greater than the R44. And of course fully articulated rotor has some advantages. But the cost is very hard to justify.

Comparing the Cabri to the 44 is almost apples to oranges. The Cabri's real competition is the 22, 300, and Enstrom. The question is, why pay more for just another two seat piston?

Bravo73 4th Feb 2022 23:01


Originally Posted by Robbiee (Post 11179947)
The question is, why pay more for just another two seat piston?

Probably for a similar reason as to why some people want to spend £/$10,000 on a 2 seater car whilst others are happy to spend £/$100,000.

Robbiee 5th Feb 2022 17:03


Originally Posted by Bravo73 (Post 11179977)
Probably for a similar reason as to why some people want to spend £/$10,000 on a 2 seater car whilst others are happy to spend £/$100,000.

That's a bit of a stretch. If the R22 were say a $12k Saturn the Cabri is certainly not a $100k Corvette. Especially since they have the same engine!

​​​​​​From what I've seen, its basically a luxury version of the 300. So that's essentially comparing a $10k car from the 60's to the same $10k car made today,...but with the same level of engine performance and still without air conditioning.

In other words, you're charging me $100 bucks more an hour than your R22 to fly this thing, but I can't take more people, its not faster, it (apparently) doesn't HOGE as well, and it doesn't come with air conditioning. So, why do you want more money for it?

Bravo73 5th Feb 2022 18:27


Originally Posted by Robbiee (Post 11180283)
Öthe Cabri is certainly not a $100k Corvette.

I didnít say that it was. You are reading too much into the analogy.

To you, the price or cost would appear to be the single most important factor. To lots of others, it isnít.

Robbiee 5th Feb 2022 19:14


Originally Posted by Bravo73 (Post 11180298)
I didnít say that it was. You are reading too much into the analogy.

To you, the price or cost would appear to be the single most important factor. To lots of others, it isnít.

Not just price. The difference in quality of a $10k car and a $100k car is not comparable to the difference between the Cabri and its two-seat piston competition,...nor is the performance difference, especially given that an R22 is faster. Its not even avionics as R22's also have glass cockpit options.

So what's left,...body style?

aa777888 5th Feb 2022 21:01

Actually, you can get AC in a Cabri. It's a catalog option. It'll cost you 24 lbs of payload that you can't afford to lose, and $23,000USD.

While I was perusing their online configurator, I priced a similarly equipped G2 and Raven I. Both can be had with a G500 panel, GTN navigator, GTX345, heated pitot, some USB outlets, nice paint (included on the Raven), leather, and fire extinguisher, i.e. both are super nice inside.

Cabri = $473K USD
Raven I = $508K USD.

Not sure why anyone would buy a G2 at that price point.

Robbiee 6th Feb 2022 00:15


Originally Posted by aa777888 (Post 11180343)
Actually, you can get AC in a Cabri. It's a catalog option. It'll cost you 24 lbs of payload that you can't afford to lose, and $23,000USD.

While I was perusing their online configurator, I priced a similarly equipped G2 and Raven I. Both can be had with a G500 panel, GTN navigator, GTX345, heated pitot, some USB outlets, nice paint (included on the Raven), leather, and fire extinguisher, i.e. both are super nice inside.

Cabri = $473K USD
Raven I = $508K USD.

Not sure why anyone would buy a G2 at that price point.

That close to a Raven, huh. Kinda makes me wonder why they didn't skip the two-seater and just start out with a four seat Cabri?

helonorth 6th Feb 2022 00:30


Originally Posted by Bravo73 (Post 11180298)
I didnít say that it was. You are reading too much into the analogy.

To you, the price or cost would appear to be the single most important factor. To lots of others, it isnít.

It's a bad analogy is the problem as it helps if the two things you are comparing are analogous.

n5296s 15th Feb 2022 18:08

So to finish the story... flew an R44 today. What a pleasure! I know people say a lot of bad things about Robbos, but compared to the G2 it is a dream to fly. It was a super flight too, all along the coast from Cannes to the Italian border at 500 feet, including a low pass along the runway at Nice - clearance very willingly given by Nice tower. Then a quick climb to 4500 feet over the mountains to an off-airport landing in the snow in the middle of nowhere, and return to Cannes.

Agile 16th Feb 2022 04:07


Originally Posted by n5296s (Post 11184733)
So to finish the story... flew an R44 today. What a pleasure! I know people say a lot of bad things about Robbos, but compared to the G2 it is a dream to fly. It was a super flight too, all along the coast from Cannes to the Italian border at 500 feet, including a low pass along the runway at Nice - clearance very willingly given by Nice tower. Then a quick climb to 4500 feet over the mountains to an off-airport landing in the snow in the middle of nowhere, and return to Cannes.

I know this flight outing pattern, its a beauty!, you forgot ot mention the flyby above monaco before heading to the mountain.
I did this similar flight right after I got my AS350B2 type rating from them, it makes you absolutly forget anything about the G2, R44 and anything in between performance wise.
the quick climb you pointed out would go straight to 10,000ft at 2000ft per minute just by slowing from 100 knots to 80 knots (for most of the initial climb)


It's a bad analogy is the problem as it helps if the two things you are comparing are analogous.
just keeping on making bad analogies, every aircraft its own purpose and applicability.


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