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Old 7th Apr 2014, 16:42
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Thanks so much for your help ersa!

What are the job oppotunities like down there at the moment? Is it as bleak as Europe for a low timer? I'm looking at farm hand jobs even, in the hope that I could learn more about muster flying
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Old 7th Apr 2014, 20:00
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Hi EI,
I live in NZ and there are defiantly more jobs for low timers both here and in aus. The most common areas to get a start are instructing, tuna boats, agriculture, tourism or mustering. (tuna boats a bit harder with low hours). you can get a start in any of these if you have the right attitude and a bit of luck. However coming from Ireland is going to be hard if you don,t have any connects to aus or NZ as it is extremely hard to get into either country to work as a foreigner.
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Old 7th Apr 2014, 20:58
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Hi hercules,

Luckily I am still young enough to be eligible for NZ on a working holiday visa. However I just got back from 2yrs in Aus which was brilliant but sadly spent those 2yrs paying for the CASA CPL(H). Have to wait another 2yrs to go back. Anything at all would be brilliant, honestly I would relish a hangar rat position at this stage
Will see what happens, main thing is staying current, positive and looking but loved my time doing the licence conversion in Aus and can't wait to get back again some day

Thanks for your help guys, much appreciated!

Tom
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Old 9th Apr 2014, 00:03
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EI-tom
Do you have a trade?-i.e. Builder -painter -block layer?-or experience in the construction industry?
If so you should consider trying to gain employment in Christchurch with the rebuild as are dozens of other Irish and get your foot in the door into NZ with employment then hunt around for a flying job after converting your license.
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Old 9th Apr 2014, 09:31
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Hi Granny,
No trade although I spent 2yrs working on a vineyard in Northern Victoria so I have plenty of experience there. Might be something to look into and hour build towards a licence conversion6
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Old 9th Apr 2014, 21:48
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There's a fair amount of frost control flying at vineyards down here so not a bad synergy.
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 16:18
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Nice one John I'll have to look at something like that down the line!
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Old 5th Nov 2014, 00:55
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Looking to convert FAA ATP to NZ ATP- anyone done it recently?

Looking for a little help....

My wife and I are seriously considering a move to Auckland, NZ, provided there is a good possibility of a job prospect there for me... She has a job offer from NZ on its way, has lived there before, and will easily qualify us both for residency.

A have an FAA ATP, a little over 5000 hrs (mostly turbine) with recent multi/SPIFR/NVG time. I am presently flying an EMS configured EC135 SPIFR/NVG in the US. I have no external load training/experience (but I wouldn't mind learning).

Hoping there is someone out there has been through the process recently who wouldn't mind sharing a little about their experience doing so.

Cheers,

David
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Old 5th Nov 2014, 05:25
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Hey velvet glove,

With those quals you should try, Airwork/Helilink who run the local Auckland rescue and police helicopters, or look at NEST in Whangarei who run the rescue helicopter up there.

Other than that, you might like to look outside of Auckland, maybe the rescue trusts in Hamilton/Rotorua/Tauranga/Taupo, all one company, or else Christchurch (Garden city helicopters)or Dunedin (HeliOtago).

Other than the rescue guys, there are very few operators that can use thoe quals, except for HNZ in New Plymouth, they run the oil and gas helicopters, all 139's, twin pilot ops.

Re the external load stuff, everyone gives it a go over here, so doesn't actually make you any more valuable than the next guy, the multi/spifr/NVG will make you stand out from the crowd I would have thought.
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Old 5th Nov 2014, 19:17
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Thank you, I appreciate the info SuperF.

[edited] I also found the link at the CAA site (which I missed the first time around) that explains the process of license recognition/conversion.

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Old 12th Nov 2014, 02:50
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or advanced flight in AKL , 130 , 355 , 429 corporate
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Old 13th Nov 2014, 18:00
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Thanks Doc!
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Old 4th Jun 2015, 21:56
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New Zeland Info!!

Hi Guys,

I am looking for opportunities in New Zealand for a better life, I am currently escaping form Europe..


I have a CPL-H Easa & a CPL-H + IR FAA. and I am low time pilot..

Can you please give some information about the helicopter marketplace in New Zealand and clues to moving forward in the New Zealand marketplace?

My plan is to convert my license and add an Instructor Rating on it... I am touch with Helicopter Flight Training (HFT) New Zealand? Do you have any information about this school?

I am trying to collect as much information as possible... before take the leap...

last but not least..

It is possible for an Instructor to build up flight hours as fast as in USA in New Zealand?

Usually the flight schools are working?

Meanwhile many thanks for your time

Regards

Paul
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Old 18th Jun 2015, 20:27
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If you are in Auckland try Ardmore Helicopters or North Shore before going with HFT.
HFT are the latest incarnation of the student loan "experiment"
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Old 19th Jun 2015, 00:05
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Both Ardmore Helicopters and North Shore helicopters are also incarnations of the student loan experiment too by the way. Not necessarily a bad thing I guess but in the interests of transparency.

I know a bunch of guys that have been through HFT and would never go near back if they didnt have to due to funding from the student loan. I haven't flown there so don't know from personal experience but that seems to be the consensus. Most of their gripes were not about the flying side of things but more just getting messed about with their courses and delayed.

I am Auckland based and am about to start a C-Cat Instructor rating too. I'm doing mine with Heliflite. They are Ardmore based and operate R22, R44 and R66. They have a really good deal on R22s and R44s for training at the moment and have A, B and C cat instructors. Have a look at Heliflite ? Charter and Training | Auckland Heliflite Charter and Training.

Mark Law at Frontier Helicopters in Whakatane is also extremely well regarded. If you are heading to the South Island then Simon Spencer Bower in Wanaka is also a great option.

Unfortunately the NZ helicopter pilot job market is extremely competitive and very difficult to get into. Its not impossible but I wouldn't count on a job to do build hours after your instructor rating.

Also, to get your CPL converted you will need to add the NZ syllabus minimums to it. We have to do some mountain flying as well as a sling rating to obtain a CPL so if you don't have these already you may need to do some more training.

Good luck - most of the operators in NZ are good people to deal with, it would just be a matter of finding who suited you the best.

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Old 19th Jun 2015, 11:01
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As an operator, if I was to send a student to be trained I would go with Mark Law at Frontier, or Rick Graham, over in the Hawkes Bay.

Both high time real world pilots.
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Old 20th Jun 2015, 13:22
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Both Ardmore Helicopters and North Shore helicopters are also incarnations of the student loan experiment too by the way. Not necessarily a bad thing I guess but in the interests of transparency.

I guess my point was AHL and NS existed long before the loan system began.
HFT picked up the loan contract from what was left of Heliflight.
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Old 24th Aug 2015, 11:41
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no feedback from schools in NZ

Hi Guys,

im new in the forum, because is used different forums. But since I started to implement the perspective of planning to train in NZD instead of US, I read through the PPRuNe forums.
Unfortunately most of the threads are old and not up to date, thats why I am asking the question.

I asked via email nearly over 10 flight schools for giving me invormation on training and visa in NZ, only Mark from Frontier is in contact with me now, from the others I ve never heard anything. Some write on their homepage, that they dont take international students for trainings. Is there some sense behind? Is the job market in NZ after the training that much overflooded, that there is absolutely no way to find a job?

Further, nobody was able to answer my questions to the visa conditions. I know, starting as a foreigner would be with a student visa for approximately 12months. Is there a chance for getting an extention for 12 months more, for gaining experience in flying after the training, before you get deported back to homeland (like in the us with the F1).

Or what would be good options after the training in NZ with the cplh license for starting the carrer as pilot, if you are completely unbinded and able to move all over the world if necessary?

Are there any proposals from experienced guys? (except statements like, save the 150k and spend it in another job/lifestyle! I made this decision already 100times the last 3 years and its done)

thanks in advance,
Rusty
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Old 24th Aug 2015, 11:58
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feedback from schools in NZ

Hi guys,

Im am new in this forum, because I was always in a few different forums online. But since thinking on doing the training zero-cplh in NZ, I came and have read through PPRuNe.
Unfortunately most of the posts are pretty old and not up to date.

Are there some experienced guys who can tell me more about the visa conditions for foreigners in NZ? I am planning to start with my training in beginning of 2016 and right now I am struggling a little bit with the decission if NZ or US, because the visa conditions in NZ are not really transparent for me. Like in the US i know I will get a 2 years visa. In NZ I know that I would get a 12month student visa, but whats then, is there an extention possible, although I am finished with the training, maybe for networking, gaining experience, hour building on my own payment if it is necessary?

Hope there are some experienced guys in the forum. Further I am already in contact with Mark from Frontier, who was the only one who gave me feedback on my enquiry, from the schools I contacted.
It seems that NZ dont wants to have any international students in this business any more because of job market overflooding in this business?

appreciate your feedback,
BR, Rusty
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Old 25th Aug 2015, 23:56
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You are in good hands with Mark Law/Frontier. One of the most respected instructors in New Zealand and one of the even fewer that will help you into a job at the end of your training. As you have identified, job prospects are not good in NZ and I can give you a list of about 10 recently graduated CPL pilots who are all trained up with no where to go who will confirm this for you...

If Whakatane and Frontier don't work out for you then I think North Shore Helicopters and Heliflite in Auckland are both NZQA accredited meaning they can help with foreign students and visa's etc.

Contact people are:

North Shore Helicopters, Roy Crane [email protected]
Heliflite Charter and training, Alex Justice [email protected]


Both are good schools with decent instructors and safety records.

I haven't trained with Mark Law but most of the NZ Helicopter industry have great things to say about him and his training. I would have liked to do some flying there myself but needed to keep it local in Auckland so I could keep working to pay the bills.

Good luck
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