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Helicopter missing - Mt Disappointment VIC (AU)

Old 6th Apr 2022, 06:59
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The original "tale", of which it isn't, was from the Bell 214B for the reasons here and the resultant "ballistic" trajectory.

6000 FPM at SL wasn't/isn't difficult light but you could also cave in the greenhouse windows above your head. Not rated for 60 knots vertical and above. Even an old 205 will surprise some when light and you can bust the windows in one as well.

Apparently a 214 back in the day established a couple of records and sustained ~2000 FPM to 30,000' and ~5200 FPM to 10,000'. So the rate numbers at sea level would have been higher.
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Old 6th Apr 2022, 13:08
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Originally Posted by John Eacott View Post
C'mon, don't spoil the dit
I was too succinct. You got it, but the following posts suggest I was misunderstood.

The ROC, or vertical speed, indicator only shows +-2000 fpm. In an auto in a Wasp you had no idea how fast you were descending. ;-)

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Old 6th Apr 2022, 15:57
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In an auto in a Wasp you had no idea how fast you were descending. ;-)
I believe the answer was always - VERY!
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Old 12th May 2022, 02:08
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Preliminary report released.

Investigation: AO-2022-016 - Collision with terrain involving Airbus Helicopters EC130 T2, VH-XWD near Mount Disappointment, Victoria, on 31 March 2022 (atsb.gov.au)

OMG. the first heli flew into the cloud first and did a U-turn and the second one followed.

The passenger in the front right seat had flown in helicopters for about 30 years. The passenger recalled that, as they crossed Mount Disappointment, heavy cloud rolled in resulting in ‘a white-out with ground visibility no longer evident’. The pilot radioed XWD and said words to the effect of ‘U‑turn, U-turn, U-turn’. Then the pilot of WVV immediately completed a U‑turn. The pilot of XWD radioed back with words to the effect ‘aren’t we going to cut through?’ The passenger then saw XWD pass just below them
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VFR pilot ignores VFR rules, enters cloud and crashes - nothing new there unfortunately...........5 lives lost for the sake of a 180 turn........
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Website might need a refresh.....

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Website might need a refresh.....
Which website?
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700 View Post
Which website?
The operator
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The operator
DAY AND NIGHT
Our highly-trained pilots have the skills and certifications to fly in all conditions, and at any time of day.
This?

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This?

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plus the references to enviable safety history and accident free record.....
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Perfectly put Crab. And it would seem, not for the first time:

'The pilot of XWD radioed back with words to the effect ‘aren’t we going to cut through?’
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Got to love this industry…. Everyone quick to put the knife in.

My thoughts are with the friends and family’s.

Let’s all learn from this.
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Got to love this industry…. Everyone quick to put the knife in.

My thoughts are with the friends and family’s.

Let’s all learn from this.
I don't think there is a poster here whose thoughts aren't with the families - no-one seems to learn from this, that is why we are frustrated.

It's not a knife, it is a frigging big neon sign that says ' Don't scud run - turn around or land'
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“Walls of cloud” don’t generally just “roll in” based on my 20 years of VFR flying… you fly into them as they remain mostly stationary.
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Weather deterioration around high ground - how unexpected............
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