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HeliService International win Lincs & Notts Air Ambulance

Old 22nd Apr 2021, 11:09
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HeliService International win Lincs & Notts Air Ambulance

Competition in the UK HEMS market is increasing with both Gama and HeliService International entering the fray.
Sorry I cannot post the link to Helihub webpage, but
"HeliService Managing Partner, Oliver Freiland: HeliService is proud to be selected to provide the flight operations to Lincolnshire & Nottinghamshire Air Ambulance. For HeliService it is an important milestone as we are entering the UK HEMS market. We thank Lincolnshire & Nottinghamshire Air Ambulance for their trust in HeliService and we will do our utmost to provide the very best service to the Charity and the people of Lincolnshire and Nottinghamshire.”
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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 11:49
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That will put many noses out of joint in Staverton [and possibly Farnborough].

The Helihub article also points out that it is our old friend Henk Schaeken behind this deal.

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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 11:57
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Interesting also on Companies House website for HELI SERVICE INTERNATIONAL LIMITED (12820744)
Registered office address changed from Pegasus House 463a Glossop Road Sheffield S10 2QD United Kingdom to C/O Lincs & Notts Air Ambulance Hems Way, Off Sleaford Road Bracebridge Heath Lincoln LN5 2GW on 22 April 2021.
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Isn't that the German operator Heli Services from Emden, breaking into the UK market as the first European operator after Brexit?
 
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Correct, but let's not get started on the benefits of Brexit.
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Think that would be a German company with a UK AOC. Aren’t Wiking doing the same?

Wouldn‘t that make them a British operator?

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Hence the UK registered office which would be a prerequisite for UK AOC.
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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 14:08
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No idea why these charities are outsourcing anyway. As soon as private enterprise comes along, the thieving starts. I would never donate to a charity that utilizes a private operator. For-profit just means everybody at the bottom of the totem pole gets shafted. No doubt they'll publish the rudimentary smiling management team image soon - you know the one, standing in front of the machine looking like Bodie, Doyle and Cowley.
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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 15:30
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No idea why these charities are outsourcing anyway. As soon as private enterprise comes along, the thieving starts. I would never donate to a charity that utilizes a private operator. For-profit just means everybody at the bottom of the totem pole gets shafted. No doubt they'll publish the rudimentary smiling management team image soon - you know the one, standing in front of the machine looking like Bodie, Doyle and Cowley.
HEMS isn't for amateurs, on this side of the pond anyway. UK air ambulance charities are local charities that just don't have the expertise or critical mass to operate, maintain and fly helicopters to professional standards. They all (AFAIK) outsource operations to companies such as Babcock that specialise in providing air ambulance services. They have a very good safety record: there's been only one crash (that I know of) of an air ambulance helicopter in the UK (Kent Air Ambulance in 1998).
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Originally Posted by OldLurker View Post
HEMS isn't for amateurs, on this side of the pond anyway. UK air ambulance charities are local charities that just don't have the expertise or critical mass to operate, maintain and fly helicopters to professional standards. They all (AFAIK) outsource operations to companies such as Babcock that specialise in providing air ambulance services. They have a very good safety record: there's been only one crash (that I know of) of an air ambulance helicopter in the UK (Kent Air Ambulance in 1998).
Isnt Devon a stand alone?
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But all those charities pay their crews bottom dollar whilst rewarding the 'executives' - I think that's what Sir Korsky is alluding to with the thieving comment.

Not for profit just means you can trouser (sorry, distribute) your funds without pandering to shareholders.
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The little cogs never get greased when profit is the driver. Seen it and sick of it. Call it business, but when honestly intended public charitable donations are filling the cess pool, I tend to get mighty aggravated. How difficult can it be? You need a few experienced drivers, a few mechanics and a simple management structure and a ticket. Profit in aviation is the root of all evil.
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Isnt Devon a stand alone?
Devon and Wiltshire are independent. Thames Valley has just advertised for a Chief Pilot position specifically mentioning a transfer to an independent AOC.

Will be interesting to see a new operator in the HEMS market.
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Originally Posted by helicrazi View Post
Isnt Devon a stand alone?
Devon Air Ambulance, London Air Ambulance, Wiltshire Air Ambulance and Yorkshire Air Ambulance hold their own AOC.
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Originally Posted by torqueshow View Post
Devon and Wiltshire are independent. Thames Valley has just advertised for a Chief Pilot position specifically mentioning a transfer to an independent AOC.

Will be interesting to see a new operator in the HEMS market.
Isn’t GAMA also a fairly new HEMS operator?

Is this Heliservice‘s first HEMS contract? Not much room in the German market with DFS and ADAC covering almost everything, I imagine.
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Heliservice have been working with AW169s for a while and according to heir website they have been working with REGA.

Even though they need to employ extra staff to service the AOC it appears many find it cheaper to go for their own.

It is a way of burning all the embarassing bank balances they accrue from good fund raising... it is there to look after them when a 'rainy day' comes along. It saves them even more money overall so they need to buy a bigger or better helicopter and then they need to buy a field for building on and then build a snazzy new base that saves them yet more money.... Along comes a money slowing coronavirus that might be classified as the rainy day so they plead poverty and yet more more comes in... So now what do they do with the bank balance?

Just kidding but it does have some truth in it!

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Profit in aviation is the root of all evil
You could remove the "aviation" and insert "business". Remember when our big boss two or three decades ago put out an edict that no one would be getting a pay rise one particular year because of poor returns, he however got a US$2 million raise taking his total take home to US$38 million.
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Originally Posted by megan View Post
You could remove the "aviation" and insert "business". Remember when our big boss two or three decades ago put out an edict that no one would be getting a pay rise one particular year because of poor returns, he however got a US$2 million raise taking his total take home to US$38 million.


​​​​​​" Greed" is the source of all evil....

Nothing wrong with profit-thats the motivation that drives almost everything.....

Things turn sour when greed takes over, and the one on top has to throw out the golden door handles to replace them with new ones because the old ones are dirty, while the ones at the bottom of the food chain don't know how to pay for their food...

 
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Originally Posted by Torquetalk View Post
Think that would be a German company with a UK AOC. Aren’t Wiking doing the same?

Wouldn‘t that make them a British operator?

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Does Heliservice and Wiking have a UK AOC?
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I don’t understand the gains from having lots of small independent AOCs - from what I see as an an outsider, charity in-house AOCs experience:

- Reduced availability: Devon frequently seem to always be down to one aircraft, had to stop flying for a period during COVID? Yorkshire had an MD902 which was out of action for around a year (maybe more?) waiting for parts for the main rotorhead, and how long have Wiltshire been cumulatively out of action since they parted from the police? During which the costs of owning an aircraft and employing pilots don’t disappear, and those funding the operation have a reduced service.
- a dependence on outsourced maintenance provision, parts supply, modifications, training, which will all come at a greater cost when not embedded in an overall package.
- increased staff turnover: how many times have a some small AOC’s had to replace pilots due to disharmony. Admittedly not all, but fostering the right culture in a small pond with a few big fish seems ‘difficult’
- reduced OEM focus
- increased workload in management, audits, infrastructure costs, exposure to compliance accountabilities etc
- lack of short term backup solutions when pilots/aircraft go sick
- increased burden of pilot management
Etc etc

I may be missing something...
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