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Windmill Wiz 22nd Apr 2021 11:09

HeliService International win Lincs & Notts Air Ambulance
 
Competition in the UK HEMS market is increasing with both Gama and HeliService International entering the fray.
Sorry I cannot post the link to Helihub webpage, but
"HeliService Managing Partner, Oliver Freiland: HeliService is proud to be selected to provide the flight operations to Lincolnshire & Nottinghamshire Air Ambulance. For HeliService it is an important milestone as we are entering the UK HEMS market. We thank Lincolnshire & Nottinghamshire Air Ambulance for their trust in HeliService and we will do our utmost to provide the very best service to the Charity and the people of Lincolnshire and Nottinghamshire.”

PANews 22nd Apr 2021 11:49

That will put many noses out of joint in Staverton [and possibly Farnborough].

The Helihub article also points out that it is our old friend Henk Schaeken behind this deal.


Windmill Wiz 22nd Apr 2021 11:57

Interesting also on Companies House website for HELI SERVICE INTERNATIONAL LIMITED (12820744)
Registered office address changed from Pegasus House 463a Glossop Road Sheffield S10 2QD United Kingdom to C/O Lincs & Notts Air Ambulance Hems Way, Off Sleaford Road Bracebridge Heath Lincoln LN5 2GW on 22 April 2021.

hueyracer 22nd Apr 2021 12:59

Isn't that the German operator Heli Services from Emden, breaking into the UK market as the first European operator after Brexit?

Windmill Wiz 22nd Apr 2021 13:14

Correct, but let's not get started on the benefits of Brexit.

Torquetalk 22nd Apr 2021 13:20

Think that would be a German company with a UK AOC. Aren’t Wiking doing the same?

Wouldn‘t that make them a British operator?

Vorsprung durch Worknick

Windmill Wiz 22nd Apr 2021 14:05

Hence the UK registered office which would be a prerequisite for UK AOC.

Sir Korsky 22nd Apr 2021 14:08

No idea why these charities are outsourcing anyway. As soon as private enterprise comes along, the thieving starts. I would never donate to a charity that utilizes a private operator. For-profit just means everybody at the bottom of the totem pole gets shafted. No doubt they'll publish the rudimentary smiling management team image soon - you know the one, standing in front of the machine looking like Bodie, Doyle and Cowley.

OldLurker 22nd Apr 2021 15:30


Originally Posted by Sir Korsky (Post 11032346)
No idea why these charities are outsourcing anyway. As soon as private enterprise comes along, the thieving starts. I would never donate to a charity that utilizes a private operator. For-profit just means everybody at the bottom of the totem pole gets shafted. No doubt they'll publish the rudimentary smiling management team image soon - you know the one, standing in front of the machine looking like Bodie, Doyle and Cowley.

HEMS isn't for amateurs, on this side of the pond anyway. UK air ambulance charities are local charities that just don't have the expertise or critical mass to operate, maintain and fly helicopters to professional standards. They all (AFAIK) outsource operations to companies such as Babcock that specialise in providing air ambulance services. They have a very good safety record: there's been only one crash (that I know of) of an air ambulance helicopter in the UK (Kent Air Ambulance in 1998).

helicrazi 22nd Apr 2021 16:20


Originally Posted by OldLurker (Post 11032372)
HEMS isn't for amateurs, on this side of the pond anyway. UK air ambulance charities are local charities that just don't have the expertise or critical mass to operate, maintain and fly helicopters to professional standards. They all (AFAIK) outsource operations to companies such as Babcock that specialise in providing air ambulance services. They have a very good safety record: there's been only one crash (that I know of) of an air ambulance helicopter in the UK (Kent Air Ambulance in 1998).

Isnt Devon a stand alone?

[email protected] 22nd Apr 2021 16:21

But all those charities pay their crews bottom dollar whilst rewarding the 'executives' - I think that's what Sir Korsky is alluding to with the thieving comment.

Not for profit just means you can trouser (sorry, distribute) your funds without pandering to shareholders.

Sir Korsky 22nd Apr 2021 17:45

The little cogs never get greased when profit is the driver. Seen it and sick of it. Call it business, but when honestly intended public charitable donations are filling the cess pool, I tend to get mighty aggravated. How difficult can it be? You need a few experienced drivers, a few mechanics and a simple management structure and a ticket. Profit in aviation is the root of all evil.

torqueshow 22nd Apr 2021 20:06


Originally Posted by helicrazi (Post 11032387)
Isnt Devon a stand alone?

Devon and Wiltshire are independent. Thames Valley has just advertised for a Chief Pilot position specifically mentioning a transfer to an independent AOC.

Will be interesting to see a new operator in the HEMS market.

Windmill Wiz 22nd Apr 2021 20:20


Originally Posted by helicrazi (Post 11032387)
Isnt Devon a stand alone?

Devon Air Ambulance, London Air Ambulance, Wiltshire Air Ambulance and Yorkshire Air Ambulance hold their own AOC.

Torquetalk 22nd Apr 2021 20:57


Originally Posted by torqueshow (Post 11032476)
Devon and Wiltshire are independent. Thames Valley has just advertised for a Chief Pilot position specifically mentioning a transfer to an independent AOC.

Will be interesting to see a new operator in the HEMS market.

Isn’t GAMA also a fairly new HEMS operator?

Is this Heliservice‘s first HEMS contract? Not much room in the German market with DFS and ADAC covering almost everything, I imagine.

PANews 22nd Apr 2021 22:19

Heliservice have been working with AW169s for a while and according to heir website they have been working with REGA.
:ok:
Even though they need to employ extra staff to service the AOC it appears many find it cheaper to go for their own.

It is a way of burning all the embarassing bank balances they accrue from good fund raising... it is there to look after them when a 'rainy day' comes along. It saves them even more money overall so they need to buy a bigger or better helicopter and then they need to buy a field for building on and then build a snazzy new base that saves them yet more money.... Along comes a money slowing coronavirus that might be classified as the rainy day so they plead poverty and yet more more comes in... So now what do they do with the bank balance?

Just kidding but it does have some truth in it!


megan 23rd Apr 2021 04:08


Profit in aviation is the root of all evil
You could remove the "aviation" and insert "business". Remember when our big boss two or three decades ago put out an edict that no one would be getting a pay rise one particular year because of poor returns, he however got a US$2 million raise taking his total take home to US$38 million.

hueyracer 23rd Apr 2021 05:25


Originally Posted by megan (Post 11032613)
You could remove the "aviation" and insert "business". Remember when our big boss two or three decades ago put out an edict that no one would be getting a pay rise one particular year because of poor returns, he however got a US$2 million raise taking his total take home to US$38 million.



​​​​​​" Greed" is the source of all evil....

Nothing wrong with profit-thats the motivation that drives almost everything.....

Things turn sour when greed takes over, and the one on top has to throw out the golden door handles to replace them with new ones because the old ones are dirty, while the ones at the bottom of the food chain don't know how to pay for their food...


Medevac999 23rd Apr 2021 06:21


Originally Posted by Torquetalk (Post 11032325)
Think that would be a German company with a UK AOC. Aren’t Wiking doing the same?

Wouldn‘t that make them a British operator?

Vorsprung durch Worknick

Does Heliservice and Wiking have a UK AOC?

Aucky 23rd Apr 2021 06:39


Originally Posted by Medevac999 (Post 11032645)
Does Heliservice and Wiking have a UK AOC?

Interesting question - I think Wiking either do or have been applying for one as recruiters on LinkedIn have been trying to find people for Head of Crew Training roles on the H145 in Scotland and the South East.

I suspect HeliServices have an AOC application in, but did pick up on the use of the word cabotage by Rob Bishton in relation to ‘air ambulance’ operations so perhaps they have an agreement to allow some EU based AOCs to operate within the U.K. for a period? I can’t substantiate it, or any potential gains to U.K. operators from such an arrangement, but if true it would appear to present another kick in the teeth from Brexit, and in my opinion a lack of judgement given the lack of reciprocity agreed this far.

The helihub link says “The operator is already on the UK CAA’s list of approved European operators who can fly commercially in the UK” read into that what you will. Heli Service are not listed as having a TCO approval https://www.caa.co.uk/Commercial-ind...-Certificates/


https://helihub.com/2021/04/22/germa...uk-ems-market/


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