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Old 3rd Oct 2023, 18:58
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Time to dust off the old WG30 design
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Old 3rd Oct 2023, 19:57
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque
RAF / NAVY / Merlins……only two (fairly) careful previous owners?
If the Army took the Merlins for NMH would they be the first airframe to serve in all 3 services? (Airframe, not type). Wondering if any of the gazelles switcheroo'd in their time?
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Old 3rd Oct 2023, 23:01
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Time to dust off the old WG30 design
Ah, the ole Westland Wardrobe When it's full, you can't move it!

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Old 4th Oct 2023, 10:46
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But it does look the part


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Originally Posted by pba_target
If the Army took the Merlins for NMH would they be the first airframe to serve in all 3 services? (Airframe, not type). Wondering if any of the gazelles switcheroo'd in their time?
gazelles were used by all 3 services 4 if you count the marines
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Originally Posted by md 600 driver
gazelles were used by all 3 services 4 if you count the marines
I believe pba was getting at have any specific tail numbers operated under all 3 services (Booties have RN ID cards). Some Gz gen here

It's probably a stretch to claim a training aircraft like the Juno has operated under 3 services, depending on which Sqn was flying it at the time?
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Chipmunk served all three.
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But it does look the part


Looked the part then fell apart!
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Old 6th Oct 2023, 16:47
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Legacy airframes have a lot of merit that new unproven, unbuilt, and un-tested designs have to offer.

The new Night Stalker Thread here at Military Aviation has a very nice photograph of a Blue Camo paint scheme on a 160th Blackhawk seen in northern Alabama.

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Anyone care to bet on when the Puma HC3 programme will be announced?

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Old 6th Oct 2023, 21:23
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Anyone care to bet on when the Puma HC3 programme will be announced?
sad but true
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Originally Posted by OvertHawk
Anyone care to bet on when the Puma HC3 programme will be announced?
The current Puma fleet will be wheeled into a secret hangar under cover of darkness. There will be sounds of drilling and hammering for many weeks, and then the new Puma HC3’s will emerge, and bear an uncanny resemblance to the Australian Taipan, albeit with RAF roundels. 😜

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Old 7th Oct 2023, 22:28
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…and it’ll cost a fortune! Far more than just buying new helicopters in hindsight.

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Or they could be wheeled out of the hangar and a mass scrapping carried out behind screens to be followed by a capability gap of many years…. Ohh wait, that was Nimrod.
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Old 8th Oct 2023, 08:33
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Originally Posted by SASless
Legacy airframes have a lot of merit that new unproven, unbuilt, and un-tested designs have to offer.
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Just keep the Pumas then?
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Old 8th Oct 2023, 14:34
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NO.....as they are. not fit for purpose.....unless you dumb down the specification so they are.

How would YOU sped a new Puma variant that would match or exceed the capability of a UH-60M?
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I was winding you up SAS.
Blackhawk is the only logical choice... logic however being something we have lacked for considerable time.
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Originally Posted by Ammo Boiler
I was winding you up SAS.
Blackhawk is the only logical choice... logic however being something we have lacked for considerable time.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/techa...ddb500e8&ei=14
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Old 4th Nov 2023, 14:47
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Originally Posted by SASless
Legacy airframes have a lot of merit that new unproven, unbuilt, and un-tested designs have to offer.

The new Night Stalker Thread here at Military Aviation has a very nice photograph of a Blue Camo paint scheme on a 160th Blackhawk seen in northern Alabama.

All legacy airframes were once unproven, unbuilt and untested designs, so not sure your logic really holds up.
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True, but for anyone looking at a new and untried (In-Role) platform, 'Risk' and unknown 'NRE/RoM costs' alone, should be front-and-centre considerations on your KUR radar.
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