SAR S-92 Missing Ireland

[SASless]

The" criticism" of the crew should be fair, based upon straight facts, and carefully consider the related factors and actions/in-actions of other persons, agencies, and authorities.

They are not to be the scapegoats in this tragedy.

[Franks Town]

The sister of the Aircraft Commander is about to release a book dealing with her grief post the accident.
Available online for March 1st .Just before the 3rd anniversary.

Tell Me the Truth About Loss

A Psychologist's Personal Story of Loss, Grief and Finding Hope.

[Red5ive]

Review board to examine R116 crash report

A review board has been established to examine the draft final report into a Coast Guard helicopter crash three years ago.The Minister for Transport Shane Ross has announced that certain findings made by the Air Accident Investigation Unit (AAIU) will be re-examined, at the request of one of the parties subject to the investigation.

The Review Board will be chaired by Senior Counsel Patrick McCann who will be assisted by an independent Expert Member. The Review Board will be entirely independent in its work in accordance with the relevant legislation.

https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/202...w-r116-report/

https://www.gov.ie/en/news/803d53-es...indings-of-th/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...ined-1.4200241

[Just a spotter]

3rd anniversary of the loss of 4 crew aboard R116

https://www.thejournal.ie/rescue-116...46281-Mar2020/

JAS

[airsound]

I thought the rather lovely Coastguard R116 heart would look better the right way up.... RIP



airsound

[LZ4]

R116 accident review faces new delay after UK expert resigns

http://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/...0-r116-review/

[Northernstar]

4 years tonight. Still no report. Still no accountability. Families still demanding answers.

[[email protected]]

Disgraceful

[gulliBell]

Originally Posted by Northernstar

4 years tonight. Still no report. Still no accountability. Families still demanding answers.

Wasn't the report delayed because the family didn't like the answers?

[212man]

Originally Posted by gulliBell

Wasn't the report delayed because the family didn't like the answers?

Probably. Doesn’t matter how much window dressing you use around company SMS, training, maps, EGPWS database etc etc, when a crew flies a serviceable aircraft into a large rock, in VMC, that is detectable on radar, it’s unlikely the findings will come out in their favour

[megan]

it’s unlikely the findings will come out in their favour

The vast majority of accidents come about because of decisions made in the cockpit, the question is why they made those decisions, if we just hang it on the crew we learn nothing. Management prefers that all fingers point to the crew.

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Management prefers that all fingers point to the crew.

But sometimes that is the cause, despite mitigating circumstances - poor decision making.

[megan]

As I hinted crab, why the poor decision? No one, at least very few, set out to screw the pooch.

[SpyPilot]

Would the NTSB Final Report on N76EX being released some 54 weeks post crash be an unfair comparison?

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Feeling too comfortable following a legacy procedure instead of using the aircraft's actual capability perhaps Megan - you can ask why as much as you like but in the final analysis, as 212 man says, they flew into a rock that they shouldn't have at an altitude they had no necessity to be at at that point.

Standard Operating Procedures are 'handrails not handcuffs' as our SAR Standards use to say - you get paid the money to keep the aircraft and crew safe as your primary objective.

[jimf671]

Originally Posted by 212man

... ... when a crew flies a serviceable aircraft into a large rock, in VMC, that is detectable on radar, it’s unlikely the findings will come out in their favour

That is certainly true.

What is also true is that there are elements of this that go all the way up through CHC management to the Coastguard and to Ministers. Wasn't there a minister a few years back bragging to the Brits about how cheap the Irish service was. In part, it was cheap because the technical requirements were the same rubbish that the Brits had been using in their inadequate contracts for 40 years and had now abandoned. CHC need to keep their people safe and legal no matter what the contract says and there may be questions to answer there. In the next two years, new contracts will evolve on both sides of the Irish Sea and let's hope both achieve the highest standards.

But yes, aircraft, large rock, pretty clear.

[212man]

Originally Posted by megan

The vast majority of accidents come about because of decisions made in the cockpit, the question is why they made those decisions, if we just hang it on the crew we learn nothing. Management prefers that all fingers point to the crew.

Megan, I fully understand that and I have been formally trained in air accident investigation at a well known institution. However, I have also spent enough time in cockpits, and simulator instructor operating stations, to know that at some point there is a limit to how diluted and shared the accountabilities can be made, in some incidents.

[megan]

Feeling too comfortable following a legacy procedure instead of using the aircraft's actual capability perhaps

Would that not point to SOP's needing revision?

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Would that not point to SOP's needing revision?

Yes of course and that is one of the many mitigating factors in this accident but you had an experienced crew that knew they were using an old S61 procedure when they could have just used the aircraft's far higher capabilities instead. A radar letdown over the sea to position to a coastal site isn't difficult, especially with all the sensors and a very capable autopilot.

[Wide Mouth Frog]

And maybe more importantly, when the guy in the back tells you you're flying towards a rock, you take immediate avoiding action rather than engaging in an elaborate two crew pas de deux.