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Old 5th May 2013, 23:30
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... according to Newquay Airport the SAR (H) will be operational within 16 months, ...
Huh? 16 months from when?


According to the Bristow presentation, Newquay doesn't get operational until late 2016. As I understand it, the 2 RN bases, Culdrose and Prestwick are the last to close.
There are contradictions in the Bristow Analyst Day presentation regarding transition dates. One section gives dates that according to at least one other section, and according to DfT documents, are 9 months late.

(And of course, the slide at the front essentially says this could be complete rubbish and we don't accept the blame or anything.)
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Old 6th May 2013, 10:26
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Can anyone tell me about the noise footprint of the S92 compared with the Sea King from the perspective of being very close to their operating base; i.e. living within 500 metres of the base.
It is certainly noisier in the cruise as I can hear it long before I can hear a Seaking. When it first came to Aberdeen there were cruise restrictions while it was over land but don't know if they are still in force. It is quieter than a Chinook though


It doesn't appear to be much noisier than any other helicopter whilst on the ground, though it may make noise for longer as it does have an APU.

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Old 6th May 2013, 15:50
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there were cruise restrictions while it was over land
There will not be any on an SAR callout so get you earplugs ready'
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Old 13th May 2013, 21:23
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Talking about salaries...

Hi, friends.

Does anyone happen to know what the ranges of salaries will be for capt/FO when the whole thing start to work?

I mean, if you are working, letīs say, in a western African country for a high value company, would it be worth the change in terms of similar money?

Thanks!
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Old 15th May 2013, 14:27
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Just for those who are interested;

I just got off the phone with the HR Manager for Bristow, who was lovely, listened to my tale of woe reference holding etc, and that I wanted to get my head down and get into a proper flying career in SAR.

She said that they are planning on using existing SAR rearcrew at the moment to fill the posts, then once that pool of talent starts drying up in a few years time, they will start bringing in training for ab initio guys.

Makes complete sense to me, I figured that this would be the case, but hey, nothing ventured, nothing gained. A few years gives me time to get medical qualifications and more experience working with other rescue services, build up that CV for when the RAF make me redundant in 2015...
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Old 15th May 2013, 18:28
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Humane Maverick:
Co-pilots get Ģ100,000 basic plus school fees of Ģ30,000/yr and relocation allowance of Ģ20,000. Plus company car.
Captains don't get any allowances or car just a basic of Ģ200,000/yr.

The job starts a week next Thursday.

Hope this helps.
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Co-pilots get Ģ100,000 basic plus school fees of Ģ30,000/yr and relocation allowance of Ģ20,000. Plus company car.
Captains don't get any allowances or car just a basic of Ģ200,000/yr.

The job starts a week next Thursday.

Hope this helps.
are you sure? Isn't there something about '21 virgins' included in the package?
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Old 15th May 2013, 22:29
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Oh, TC, you are a wag.
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Old 15th May 2013, 22:31
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Humane Maverick - You will have to excuse TC, he is British and we enjoy nothing more than winding people up.!

The payscales are due to be released shortly but an informed source tells me that they will be:

Captains Ģ73-Ģ88K with 12 paypoint bands
Co-Pilots Ģ53-Ģ64K with 8 paypoint bands
Crewmen ĢĢ41-Ģ52K with 12 paypoint bands.

There will be a commensurate reduction in these salaries for anyone joining who is in receipt of a British miltary pension and this will equate to about one third of the pension amount that they currently receive.

Paypoint entry levels (and seniority) will be determined using a 'factored' hour system with previous hours on UK military SAR counting as 1 whole hour, previous hours on UK Coastguard SAR counting as 0.5 of an hour and all other helicopter flying hours counting as 0.4 of an hour.

Hope this helps.

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Old 15th May 2013, 22:46
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Lucky all the 6 figure UK Captains and high 5 figure co pilots currently in UK SAR will TUPE their salaries over then....why would pilots leave O&G for such a drop in salary?
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Old 15th May 2013, 23:24
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Originally Posted by Max Contingency
There will be a commensurate reduction in these salaries for anyone joining who is in receipt of a British miltary pension and this will equate to about one third of the pension amount that they currently receive.
I find that an amazing concept: is it really acceptable in the UK these days to dumb down your income? What if the pilot has a private income from investments, are they expected to take a commensurate salary drop?

Bizarre idea, IMO
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Old 15th May 2013, 23:32
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There will be a commensurate reduction in these salaries for anyone joining who is in receipt of a British miltary pension and this will equate to about one third of the pension amount that they currently receive.
What a total nonsense policy!
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Old 16th May 2013, 00:06
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Will the pay scales then be supplemented with paramedic pay, island pay etc etc. these could be the basic pay bands from which things like pension are calculated but actual take home might be higher....or am I just being overly optimistic!
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Old 16th May 2013, 08:41
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There will be a commensurate reduction in these salaries for anyone joining who is in receipt of a British miltary pension and this will equate to about one third of the pension amount that they currently receive.
I do not believe that and if it was true it would not last two minutes in an industrial tribunal.
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Old 16th May 2013, 08:47
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I have to agree. Total nonsense.

Also the Captain pay-scales are off and I don't see them introducing a 12 tier system when 20 years is currently in use.
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we enjoy nothing more than winding people up
That was way too easy. Sometimes I dont know how I sleep at night

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Old 16th May 2013, 10:29
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Good catch: especially the later edit
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Old 16th May 2013, 10:34
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C'mon chaps - the clue was when max con pointed to TC as winding people up!

It did work though - Daily Mail outrage abounds
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Old 16th May 2013, 11:04
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At least MC wasted more of his time than I did.
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Old 16th May 2013, 16:55
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Interesting that I only got bites from mil or ex mil. Why no bites from existing civ SAR crews that their seniority would be only worth 50% of equivilent mil time??
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