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Old 9th Oct 2013, 21:20
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thorpey,

I hear that there was enough uptake from the military and that Bristow have up'd their wages.
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Thanks for that, appreciated.
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Old 10th Oct 2013, 06:40
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SAR rear crew positions

Hopefully someone can shed some light on the rear crew process...

Initially Bristow HR sent a date of September... I see some guys have receive the "thanks but no thanks" pilots and crewmen alike..... I also hear the Gap SAR guys have only just got their contracts so are Bristow just behind the drag time wise?
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UK SAR 2013 privatisation: the new thread

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No link to the article? That's not very helpful. Should we guess?

Sorry I got the hard copy and I naturally assumed that a man of your resources would be able to just google it?!

It's actually about the history of UK SAR both military and civilian.
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First production AW189 performs its maiden flight | Vertical Magazine - The Pulse of the Helicopter Industry
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an extremely reduced time to market
But not rushed I trust.

Is this really a good idea, praying that 50% of our nation's SAR future is secure in an as yet unproven aircraft?
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Satsuma. I think the clue is in First Production. If it was first aircraft yes it would be a short time frame.
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But not rushed I trust.

Is this really a good idea, praying that 50% of our nation's SAR future is secure in an as yet unproven aircraft?

Yes. It's a risk.

Time to move on.
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Well, you're half right. Keeping your fingers crossed is not a sound basis for future success.
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Originally Posted by satsuma
.... Keeping your fingers crossed is not a sound basis for future success.
Well, there's crossing your fingers and there's crossing your fingers.

In 1978, and again in 1983, folk were crossing their fingers about the single engine performance of the SK and 61.

Still crossed.

How much worse can it get?
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You may yet get to see the S61 in the SAR role again Jim if the 189 isn't ready on time.
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I don't think so.

I see two options for two very different levels of disaster.

189 late = 139 stand-in.

All goes into room 101 = 101.
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Hi all,

WINCH OPERATOR
Requirements
· one (1) year’s previous experience on a dedicated SAR unit as a Winch Operator on helicopters
· two hundred and fifty (250) hours operating experience in helicopters gained in an operational environment similar to the intended operation
· no criminal record, safe flying record and the right to reside and work in the UK
(Training may be given to the right candidates)

My question is: are you also require to have a medical background for this position if you already meet the requirments above?
eg, paramedic/emt registration certificates needed?

Information much appreciated,
Cheers!
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My question is: are you also require to have a medical background for this position if you already meet the requirments above?
eg, paramedic/emt registration certificates needed?
This may be of help. It comes from the ITPD doc.
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2.3.3 The Contractor shall provide Winchmen with at least 3 month’s experience each in a dedicated military/civilian SAR unit.
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2.3.4 The Contractor shall ensure the continuing professional development of medically qualified rearcrew to maintain medical standards and currency iaw policy set by the clinical director.
2.3.2.1 The Contractor shall provide rearcrew trained to a minimum of BIEC standard (equivalent to the IHCD Emergency Medical Technician) and with at least one Paramedic qualified rearcrew on each shift.
2.3.3.1 The Contractor shall provide rearcrew trained to a minimum of BIEC standard (equivalent to the IHCD Emergency Medical Technician) and with at least one Paramedic qualified rearcrew on each shift.
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You may yet get to see the S61 in the SAR role again Jim if the 189 isn't ready on time.
Rumour has it the Falklands SAR contract currently being bid may see the S61 T being put forward by more than one of the bidders.

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Does the Carson S61T have any European Civil Certification yet?

Rumour has it the Falklands SAR contract currently being bid may see the S61 T being put forward by more than one of the bidders.
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That's great,

Thanks a lot for the info..I will think about getting my IHCD tech course!!
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Old 14th Oct 2013, 20:53
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I didn't think you needed to be a paramedic / technician for winch operator ?
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Originally Posted by backtothebeat
I didn't think you needed to be a paramedic / technician for winch operator ?
WINCH OPERATOR-EBU00408
Requirements
· one (1) year’s previous experience on a dedicated SAR unit as a Winch Operator on helicopters
· two hundred and fifty (250) hours operating experience in helicopters gained in an operational
environment similar to the intended operation
· no criminal record, safe flying record and the right to reside and work in the UK
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One would hope that the experience levels of those who are taken on will considerably exceed those minimum levels or target zero isn't going to last very long.
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