UK SAR 2013 privatisation: the new thread
Dont know where you get your figures from Far East but the average UK wage before tax is about £31000.
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You could always get a woman to do the job and pay even less!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You could always get a woman to do the job and pay even less!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Crab,
Have you put in for it? Would have thought it was a perfect opportunity for you to ensure future standards of SAR and with your gold plated pension and people in SAR don't do it for the money attitude, the salary is irrelevant to you surely...
Of course maybe you are trying to put others off to improve your chances
What is slightly concerning is that the DfT have been advertising for a SAR transition co-ordinator (a fairly important and crucial job methinks) but, due to civil service blinkers and structures, the salary is £41K.
Of course maybe you are trying to put others off to improve your chances
What has a service pension got to do with a subsequent salary?
(Similar example. Good technical civilian job advertised in a public organisation several years ago. Apparent job content and conditions are good but the salary band is not impressive. I approach a gentleman retired from a related department. First comment: "That job'll be for so-and-so, he's due to retire this year.")
Hmmmm - £41K plus pension for 4 years as SAR coordinator or £80-100K as a SAR Captain - I think I'll take my chances with managed transition thanks
Quite a lot actually as it can affect your tax position
In all my various negotiations if anybody mentioned income from pensions I started getting up from the chair.
Fareastdriver: Hear hear. You do your 'bit' in a previous life, build up a pension pot in so doing then some jealous creep thinks it should be used to offset against another full time job working for peanuts.
Get a life guys.
Shouldnt the job spec justify the remuneration or vice versa.?
Since when does one sacrifice their pension to keep working??
Blood* annoys me that thorny issue................
Get a life guys.
Shouldnt the job spec justify the remuneration or vice versa.?
Since when does one sacrifice their pension to keep working??
Blood* annoys me that thorny issue................
I think they were pretty swamped - I have heard the number of applications in the managed transition to be in the high 200s and those outwith that 6 times that number!
Strangely, I thought that the managed transition was for those of us actually in the mil SAR Force - there most certainly aren't 200 plus of us even if everyone applied - where have all the hangers-on come from?
Strangely, I thought that the managed transition was for those of us actually in the mil SAR Force - there most certainly aren't 200 plus of us even if everyone applied - where have all the hangers-on come from?
My take on how competitive it is likely to be:
10 Bases, 10 pilots per base plus approx 10 trg staff = 110 pilots total
3 Bases already manned, not unreasonable to assume that most will TUPE
10 Trg staff probably already in place/nominated or identified
Leaves 70 places available
Captain to Co-Pilot ratio probably 6:4
42 Captain positions and 28 Co-pilot positions to be filled - doesn't even consider the availability of Portland personnel.
Some co-pilots have already been shortlisted....
10 Bases, 10 pilots per base plus approx 10 trg staff = 110 pilots total
3 Bases already manned, not unreasonable to assume that most will TUPE
10 Trg staff probably already in place/nominated or identified
Leaves 70 places available
Captain to Co-Pilot ratio probably 6:4
42 Captain positions and 28 Co-pilot positions to be filled - doesn't even consider the availability of Portland personnel.
Some co-pilots have already been shortlisted....
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Some captains have already been shortlisted too...
The mil managed transition is for anyone within the mil who considers they have appropriate SAR experience. Not just those currently engaged in SAR duties.
The mil managed transition is for anyone within the mil who considers they have appropriate SAR experience. Not just those currently engaged in SAR duties.
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... where have all the hangers-on come from?
(At one stage the DfT documents asked the contractor to explain how they would provide for SAR aircrew serving at CHIVENOR who wished to continue to do SAR there, or in the vicinity ... . It's therefore not surprising that Crab is interested in this question!)
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... 42 Captain positions and 28 Co-pilot positions to be filled ...
Experienced rear-crew on PA Scales may not be interested in terms and conditions like some kind of trolley dolly in goretex.
Spanish - that's not how it was sold to us - I thought it was supposed to be a method of de-risking the project for the DfT by taking on current UK SAR crews with all the requisite skills and experience except time on type.
Anyone can say they have done SAR if they have hovered over the water but doesn't cut the mustard when it comes to real UK SAROPs! My last rescue was 5 days ago (multi-agency, winching through trees 500' up a cliff) how many of those who have applied will have any recent or relevant experience?
Anyone can say they have done SAR if they have hovered over the water but doesn't cut the mustard when it comes to real UK SAROPs! My last rescue was 5 days ago (multi-agency, winching through trees 500' up a cliff) how many of those who have applied will have any recent or relevant experience?
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Crab,
....and breathe....
If you re-read my post, anyone in the military who considers they have appropriate experience...can apply via the military managed transition route. Doesnt mean that Bristow need to employ them.
I was simply answering your post about the number of applications. Its Bristow's job to now filter those applications in order to ensure a suitable mix of appropriate experience is available at each Unit to de-risk the project iaw DfT requirements.
Then again surely by now you, of all people, know that you shouldn't believe everything you are told/sold by your senior officers...
....and breathe....
If you re-read my post, anyone in the military who considers they have appropriate experience...can apply via the military managed transition route. Doesnt mean that Bristow need to employ them.
I was simply answering your post about the number of applications. Its Bristow's job to now filter those applications in order to ensure a suitable mix of appropriate experience is available at each Unit to de-risk the project iaw DfT requirements.
Then again surely by now you, of all people, know that you shouldn't believe everything you are told/sold by your senior officers...
Managed transition for those who are unsure is:
Thats from the full article from the Government at https://www.gov.uk/government/news/f...-rescue-agreed
Read into it what you wish but the whole reason for it would seem to be
Bristow Helicopters Ltd and the MOD have agreed to a ‘managed transition’ to enable Service Personnel who wish to continue to work in UK SAR to do so without risking the current military service provision. This process is entirely voluntary and available to all ranks of military personnel in SAR roles. All decisions will be based on the manpower requirements of the RN and the RAF at the time.
Read into it what you wish but the whole reason for it would seem to be
to do so without risking the current military service provision
Spanish - as I said, that is not how it was sold to the RAF SAR Force, access to the roadshows was tightly controlled and the emphasis was on taking current SAR crews.
Snakepit - I wouldn't put too much stock by that article, it is a news story and as such doesn't have to paint an accurate or fair picture. If someone outside the SAR community read it they would come away with the belief that the RAF and RN are equal partners in the service provision rather than the actual 6 to 2 ratio that exists. Additionally, the understanding we had was that as well as ensuring a smooth handover of service to Bristow, the managed transition was to keep the DfT happy that taking a number of current SAR crews would prevent too much dilution of UKSAR experience, especially on NVD.
Snakepit - I wouldn't put too much stock by that article, it is a news story and as such doesn't have to paint an accurate or fair picture. If someone outside the SAR community read it they would come away with the belief that the RAF and RN are equal partners in the service provision rather than the actual 6 to 2 ratio that exists. Additionally, the understanding we had was that as well as ensuring a smooth handover of service to Bristow, the managed transition was to keep the DfT happy that taking a number of current SAR crews would prevent too much dilution of UKSAR experience, especially on NVD.