Top of the World: photos from Nepal
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Ow Dear Ow Dear Ow Dearie me
Outstanding arrival, besides being waaaaaay too high & then
Pilot thought he had TR failure thanks to the wind effect, so he closed the throttle & forgot to pull pitch at the bottom 
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Outstanding arrival, besides being waaaaaay too high & then Pilot thought he had TR failure thanks to the wind effect, so he closed the throttle & forgot to pull pitch at the bottom
How's Your Airmanship
Outstanding arrival, besides being waaaaaay too high & then
Pilot thought he had TR failure thanks to the wind effect, so he closed the throttle & forgot to pull pitch at the bottom How's Your Airmanship
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I'm struggling to decide who was more incompetent, that Chinese guy or the Nepalese guy who fell off the hospital roof top helipad. Both missing more than an ounce of the right stuff to be in command of a helicopter.
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If You've seen what I've seen, many a drivers with 600hrs even 1,000hrs still can't shoot an approach or put the machine down
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outa the same school 
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I don't know, but watching the last second before impact, I think the pilot pulled quite a bit collective ... at least what was left, because he fell from almost HOGE hight. The sound also shows, that the RPM was decaying quite fast. It might be possible, he didn't have much more power left to use to cushion the landing - err - impact.
That does not mean he did not screw up big time by judging winds and stuff wrong.
I had instructors who were very hot on tail rotor failure, but the whole tailwind thing, when the ends swap direction, I had to learn the hard way - nothing bend, just some cardiac training, loss of body fluid and need of deodorant - or a shower. I can imagine he had the same training.
I never had a tailrotorfailure, but I can only imagine, that the effect is much more sudden, than the wind related version, where you just gradually lose effectiveness. That can happen in a second but, you can feel the tailrotor still responding until you hit the stop and only then, things happen fast. At least that is my experience. May vary between pilots.
That does not mean he did not screw up big time by judging winds and stuff wrong.
I had instructors who were very hot on tail rotor failure, but the whole tailwind thing, when the ends swap direction, I had to learn the hard way - nothing bend, just some cardiac training, loss of body fluid and need of deodorant - or a shower. I can imagine he had the same training.
I never had a tailrotorfailure, but I can only imagine, that the effect is much more sudden, than the wind related version, where you just gradually lose effectiveness. That can happen in a second but, you can feel the tailrotor still responding until you hit the stop and only then, things happen fast. At least that is my experience. May vary between pilots.
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I don't know, but watching the last second before impact, I think the pilot pulled quite a bit collective ... at least what was left, because he fell from almost HOGE hight. The sound also shows, that the RPM was decaying quite fast. It might be possible, he didn't have much more power left to use to cushion the landing - err - impact.
That does not mean he did not screw up big time by judging winds and stuff wrong.
I had instructors who were very hot on tail rotor failure, but the whole tailwind thing, when the ends swap direction, I had to learn the hard way - nothing bend, just some cardiac training, loss of body fluid and need of deodorant - or a shower. I can imagine he had the same training.
I never had a tailrotorfailure, but I can only imagine, that the effect is much more sudden, than the wind related version, where you just gradually lose effectiveness. That can happen in a second but, you can feel the tailrotor still responding until you hit the stop and only then, things happen fast. At least that is my experience. May vary between pilots.
That does not mean he did not screw up big time by judging winds and stuff wrong.
I had instructors who were very hot on tail rotor failure, but the whole tailwind thing, when the ends swap direction, I had to learn the hard way - nothing bend, just some cardiac training, loss of body fluid and need of deodorant - or a shower. I can imagine he had the same training.
I never had a tailrotorfailure, but I can only imagine, that the effect is much more sudden, than the wind related version, where you just gradually lose effectiveness. That can happen in a second but, you can feel the tailrotor still responding until you hit the stop and only then, things happen fast. At least that is my experience. May vary between pilots.
BUT, knowing the details behind this FU, there was nothing wrong with the TR, TR drive or the controls
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'Tis a Helikopter aye
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Hi VF, I never said it was at TR failure, I just said that they train like crazy for it. As soon it starts spinning they chop the throttle. Regardless what caused the trouble. And from that height, there wasn't a lot of inertia left in the rotor at the bottom to prevent bending things.
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Hi VF, I never said it was at TR failure, I just said that they train like crazy for it. As soon it starts spinning they chop the throttle. Regardless what caused the trouble. And from that height, there wasn't a lot of inertia left in the rotor at the bottom to prevent bending things.
Why the hell would You arrive at such a huge H as high as this driver did..............................suicidal madness 
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Even in a 212, from that height, if you chop the power there 'aint gonna be much oomph left in those spinny things by the time you arrive at the bottom. Something is gonna break.
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Well yeah, I could, and just about every other 212 pilot could. But in the hands of pilots who fall off hospital helipads, of fail to even arrive on a helipad under control in the first place, etc etc, not even ye ol' droll 212 can cut that much slack for a wayward pilot.
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Well yeah, I could, and just about every other 212 pilot could. But in the hands of pilots who fall off hospital helipads, of fail to even arrive on a helipad under control in the first place, etc etc, not even ye ol' droll 212 can cut that much slack for a wayward pilot.
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