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Old 16th Sep 2018, 22:12
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Originally Posted by Vertical Freedom View Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLrkMFFgzbw

Outstanding arrival, besides being waaaaaay too high & then Pilot thought he had TR failure thanks to the wind effect, so he closed the throttle & forgot to pull pitch at the bottom
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It's just incomprehensible. Shouldn't have had to remember to pull collective any more than one needs to remember to put one foot in front of another when walking?
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Old 17th Sep 2018, 01:35
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I'm struggling to decide who was more incompetent, that Chinese guy or the Nepalese guy who fell off the hospital roof top helipad. Both missing more than an ounce of the right stuff to be in command of a helicopter.
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Old 17th Sep 2018, 04:27
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It's just incomprehensible. Shouldn't have had to remember to pull collective any more than one needs to remember to put one foot in front of another when walking?
Hey KJ.........incomprehensible - NOT If You've seen what I've seen, many a drivers with 600hrs even 1,000hrs still can't shoot an approach or put the machine down
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Old 17th Sep 2018, 04:29
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Originally Posted by gulliBell View Post
I'm struggling to decide who was more incompetent, that Chinese guy or the Nepalese guy who fell off the hospital roof top helipad. Both missing more than an ounce of the right stuff to be in command of a helicopter.
G'day GB...........twins Mate, only their Mother can tell them apart outa the same school
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Old 17th Sep 2018, 10:29
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I don't know, but watching the last second before impact, I think the pilot pulled quite a bit collective ... at least what was left, because he fell from almost HOGE hight. The sound also shows, that the RPM was decaying quite fast. It might be possible, he didn't have much more power left to use to cushion the landing - err - impact.
That does not mean he did not screw up big time by judging winds and stuff wrong.
I had instructors who were very hot on tail rotor failure, but the whole tailwind thing, when the ends swap direction, I had to learn the hard way - nothing bend, just some cardiac training, loss of body fluid and need of deodorant - or a shower. I can imagine he had the same training.
I never had a tailrotorfailure, but I can only imagine, that the effect is much more sudden, than the wind related version, where you just gradually lose effectiveness. That can happen in a second but, you can feel the tailrotor still responding until you hit the stop and only then, things happen fast. At least that is my experience. May vary between pilots.
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Old 17th Sep 2018, 14:36
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If he/she/whoever had of done nothing then everything would have ended up OK and we wouldn't be looking at what was a perfectly good helicopter splattered on the ground for no reason.
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Old 18th Sep 2018, 17:18
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I don't know, but watching the last second before impact, I think the pilot pulled quite a bit collective ... at least what was left, because he fell from almost HOGE hight. The sound also shows, that the RPM was decaying quite fast. It might be possible, he didn't have much more power left to use to cushion the landing - err - impact.
That does not mean he did not screw up big time by judging winds and stuff wrong.
I had instructors who were very hot on tail rotor failure, but the whole tailwind thing, when the ends swap direction, I had to learn the hard way - nothing bend, just some cardiac training, loss of body fluid and need of deodorant - or a shower. I can imagine he had the same training.
I never had a tailrotorfailure, but I can only imagine, that the effect is much more sudden, than the wind related version, where you just gradually lose effectiveness. That can happen in a second but, you can feel the tailrotor still responding until you hit the stop and only then, things happen fast. At least that is my experience. May vary between pilots.
Hi Rotorbee.....Yes it could well be a possibility BUT, knowing the details behind this FU, there was nothing wrong with the TR, TR drive or the controls
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Old 18th Sep 2018, 22:01
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Originally Posted by gulliBell View Post
If he/she/whoever had of done nothing then everything would have ended up OK and we wouldn't be looking at what was a perfectly good helicopter splattered on the ground for no reason.
G'day GulliBell....exactly Mate
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 05:42
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Hi VF, I never said it was at TR failure, I just said that they train like crazy for it. As soon it starts spinning they chop the throttle. Regardless what caused the trouble. And from that height, there wasn't a lot of inertia left in the rotor at the bottom to prevent bending things.
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 07:28
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Hi VF, I never said it was at TR failure, I just said that they train like crazy for it. As soon it starts spinning they chop the throttle. Regardless what caused the trouble. And from that height, there wasn't a lot of inertia left in the rotor at the bottom to prevent bending things.
Hey Rotorbee....yep, valid point Why the hell would You arrive at such a huge H as high as this driver did..............................suicidal madness
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 10:51
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Originally Posted by Rotorbee View Post
...there wasn't a lot of inertia left in the rotor at the bottom to prevent bending things.
Even in a 212, from that height, if you chop the power there 'aint gonna be much oomph left in those spinny things by the time you arrive at the bottom. Something is gonna break.
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 23:06
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Even in a 212, from that height, if you chop the power there 'aint gonna be much oomph left in those spinny things by the time you arrive at the bottom. Something is gonna break.
G'day GB......& I thought with the 212, You could fly another circuit after the kero burners blow out, she's got that much ooompph
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 23:21
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G'day GB......& I thought with the 212, You could fly another circuit after the kero burners blow out, she's got that much ooompph
Well yeah, I could, and just about every other 212 pilot could. But in the hands of pilots who fall off hospital helipads, of fail to even arrive on a helipad under control in the first place, etc etc, not even ye ol' droll 212 can cut that much slack for a wayward pilot.
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 15:37
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Well yeah, I could, and just about every other 212 pilot could. But in the hands of pilots who fall off hospital helipads, of fail to even arrive on a helipad under control in the first place, etc etc, not even ye ol' droll 212 can cut that much slack for a wayward pilot.
Hey GB.....I hear You Mate, not more accurate words have ever been spoken
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 21:24
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Why you hanging a toilet bowl under your machine, VF?
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Old 21st Sep 2018, 05:39
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Not many public toilets in the mountains, ya gotta bring yer own.

Not much ground clearance on that one, either.
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 09:56
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Why you hanging a toilet bowl under your machine, VF?
Hey KJ....trying to launch a new marketing ploy; 'We fly Your Poo for You'
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G'day AC.......exactly, no crap or pun intended clearance was teeny, like a Bee's weeny
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 20:51
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Originally Posted by gulliBell View Post
Even in a 212, from that height, if you chop the power there 'aint gonna be much oomph left in those spinny things by the time you arrive at the bottom. Something is gonna break.
only way you‘re going to make it from that height is to lower the collective and pull again near the ground. That MIGHT have saved the aircraft from damage if timed right.
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 03:19
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only way you‘re going to make it from that height is to lower the collective and pull again near the ground. That MIGHT have saved the aircraft from damage if timed right.
Hey TT....could You imagine that clown applying that much brain power with that arrival???? sheeeeesh zero chance

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