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Old 16th Jan 2018, 19:12
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Actual NTSB Bell 525 Accident Report Link,

Hi Sultan,

Here is the correct link for the report:

NTSB Bell 525 Accident Report

Very sad...
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 20:03
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Encyclo

Thanks.
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 20:50
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Page 8: 323 and 756 total flight hours?????
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 21:28
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I also find the reported TT of the flight crew surprising, to put it midly. As well as a couple other details of the report.
CVFDR installed but not operational? No cockpit cameras? OEI training mode safeguard completely eliminated?

That is certainly not how I would have imagined testing of these regimes on such a complex helicopter would have gone down nowadays at one of the major players in the industry.

The data in the report seems unbelievably undetermined to me, considering these test flights should be monitored way more closely than any other type flight.
The 525 with only 2 SOB sure can carry a shitload of FTE, why not use that to the max when going simulated OEI at 185kt?
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 21:37
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I think these helicopter hours could be correct theoretically if they got ATPL H add on from an ATPL A, but would be amazed that Bell would employ test pilots with so little hours in helicopters.
Maybe it is just their civilian experience, not their previous military time, not sure how the NTSB list the experience of pilots.
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 22:00
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From the report:

The pilot held a letter of authorization (LOA) from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) dated December 2, 2015, authorizing him to act as pilot-in-command (PIC) of the Bell experimental helicopter designated model 525. He completed crew resource management (CRM) training on January 12, 2015. The pilot graduated from the United States Naval Test Pilot School (USNTPS) in 2010. He then worked on numerous flight test projects involving the Bell AH-1W (SuperCobra, a twin-engine attack helicopter) and UH-1Y (Venom/Super Huey, a twin-engine utility helicopter). On September 23, 2013, he was hired by the Bell Helicopter flight test department as a pilot for the Bell 525 program.

The copilot held an LOA from the FAA dated December 2, 2015, authorizing him to act as PIC of the Bell experimental helicopter designated model 525. He completed CRM training on January 12, 2015. The copilot completed US Navy flight training in 2000 and graduated from the USNTPS in 2006. He then worked on numerous AH-1W and UH-1Y test programs. On August 2, 2010, he was hired by the Bell Helicopter flight test department as a pilot for the Bell 525 program.
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 22:34
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Originally Posted by finalchecksplease View Post
I think these helicopter hours could be correct theoretically if they got ATPL H add on from an ATPL A, but would be amazed that Bell would employ test pilots with so little hours in helicopters.
Maybe it is just their civilian experience, not their previous military time, not sure how the NTSB list the experience of pilots.

The NTSB just puts down whatever you put down on the form (6120). Obviously someone other than the pilots filled it out and probably entered what information they had access to.
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 16:03
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Here is the link to the accident docket at NTSB. See attachment 10 for details on pilots.

https://dms.ntsb.gov/pubdms/search/h...docketID=60663
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 12:29
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Bell 525 in Yellowknife, Canada

Spotted the Bell 525 in Canada (Scroll to 10:52 to catch a glimpse):
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 19:52
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I read this
DCA16FA199, Bell 525, N525TA
but i didnt' see anything about hydraulics saturation
maybe i missed it somewhere
is the hydraulics in this machine able to deliver pressure with those stoke lengths at that frequency?
seems like a big job for a hyraulic pump
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 10:34
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More video of 525 in Canada

Some more footage of the 525, still testing up in Yellowknife. Plus a few words from the Chief Pilot about his favorite pubs in the Northwest Territories. Starts around 4:00...

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