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no confusion here, though I think there is some at your end;
Quite plainly not true, there are occasions, probably even all occasion when a pursuit can be elevated to a higher priority and then the response time drops to 20 min.
The world is full of too many people who will crow if NPAS fails to deliver, sadly we will never know what the alternative to NPAS would have been if Forces had been left to fund their own aircraft. Given the current level of spending cuts in the Police I think we would have seen more 'for sale' signs outside units than there are at present.
Any cops getting behind an SMV had better grit their teeth and cross their fingers because the required response time for pursuits is...........
60 mins.!!
60 mins.!!
The world is full of too many people who will crow if NPAS fails to deliver, sadly we will never know what the alternative to NPAS would have been if Forces had been left to fund their own aircraft. Given the current level of spending cuts in the Police I think we would have seen more 'for sale' signs outside units than there are at present.
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no confusion here, though I think there is some at your end;
Quite plainly not true, there are occasions, probably even all occasion when a pursuit can be elevated to a higher priority and then the response time drops to 20 min.
The world is full of too many people who will crow if NPAS fails to deliver, sadly we will never know what the alternative to NPAS would have been if Forces had been left to fund their own aircraft. Given the current level of spending cuts in the Police I think we would have seen more 'for sale' signs outside units than there are at present.
Any cops getting behind an SMV had better grit their teeth and cross their fingers because the required response time for pursuits is...........
60 mins.!!
60 mins.!!
The world is full of too many people who will crow if NPAS fails to deliver, sadly we will never know what the alternative to NPAS would have been if Forces had been left to fund their own aircraft. Given the current level of spending cuts in the Police I think we would have seen more 'for sale' signs outside units than there are at present.
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And of course there is a National Pursuit Policy to go hand in hand with the
NPAS S.O.P. on deploying to a pursuit, that all forces adhere to - isn't there ?
In a busy, built up area, such as West Midlands, it is a rare, rare thing, to have any pursuit last more than about 5 minutes,
( other than when it was someone from a Neighbouring Force that we didn't know about ! ),
UNLESS the Control Room Inspector is confident that Air Support will arrive imminently,
and even then, the Pursuit will be "abandoned" if it is perceived to be too dangerous to allow it to continue.
Too dangerous that is for those in the car being pursued, the cars pursuing, the Public that might get caught up in it,
and the Control Room Inspector that didn't call it off before someone got hurt.
What other little gems of NPAS S.O.P. will be applied right across the Country,
when the Policing of Urban and Rural areas differs so much ?
Looking forward to all the fireworks and celebrations launching the new Service on Monday
NPAS S.O.P. on deploying to a pursuit, that all forces adhere to - isn't there ?
In a busy, built up area, such as West Midlands, it is a rare, rare thing, to have any pursuit last more than about 5 minutes,
( other than when it was someone from a Neighbouring Force that we didn't know about ! ),
UNLESS the Control Room Inspector is confident that Air Support will arrive imminently,
and even then, the Pursuit will be "abandoned" if it is perceived to be too dangerous to allow it to continue.
Too dangerous that is for those in the car being pursued, the cars pursuing, the Public that might get caught up in it,
and the Control Room Inspector that didn't call it off before someone got hurt.
What other little gems of NPAS S.O.P. will be applied right across the Country,
when the Policing of Urban and Rural areas differs so much ?
Looking forward to all the fireworks and celebrations launching the new Service on Monday
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20 mins response time for a pursuit if elevated to higher priority?
Sounds like open season for car crime (again). Back to the bad old days before effective air support, by the sound of it.
As I said a long time ago, someone in high authority made a career out of getting air support, to save public money. Now someone else is trying to make a career out of getting rid of air support, supposedly to save money. But in this case, they must either have their fingers crossed behind their back, hoping to hoodwink the public, or with a blindfold on and no regard for history.
20 minutes......
Sounds like open season for car crime (again). Back to the bad old days before effective air support, by the sound of it.
As I said a long time ago, someone in high authority made a career out of getting air support, to save public money. Now someone else is trying to make a career out of getting rid of air support, supposedly to save money. But in this case, they must either have their fingers crossed behind their back, hoping to hoodwink the public, or with a blindfold on and no regard for history.
20 minutes......
Coconutty you will need to get up mighty early for Monday's celebrations...... its going to be like an Early Turn for those attending the launch.
Still I guess that rather than smoked salmon sarnies and champagne the fare on offer to the great and the good will be Sugar Puffs, bacon sarnies and grapefruit juice.
Pity about the forecast of rain...... hopefully not a sign......
Still I guess that rather than smoked salmon sarnies and champagne the fare on offer to the great and the good will be Sugar Puffs, bacon sarnies and grapefruit juice.
Pity about the forecast of rain...... hopefully not a sign......
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I remember the doom and gloom about the Olympics before they started...
...turns out it was the best thing that has happened to this country for a long, long, time
...turns out it was the best thing that has happened to this country for a long, long, time
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According to one reliable witness at a certain Heliport, as far as the amount of trade was concerned, the Olympics killed it almost stone dead.
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Interesting to see Mr. Marshall on BBC Breakfast News this morning -
When asked by the reporter who would be providing Air Support in Plymouth at 4am,
( and suggesting it might have to come from London ), the response was
that there would be a 24 hour aircraft available in the South West Region.
Did I miss something ? Like - Who has been nominated in the South West Region to be the 24 hour Unit ???
When asked by the reporter who would be providing Air Support in Plymouth at 4am,
( and suggesting it might have to come from London ), the response was
that there would be a 24 hour aircraft available in the South West Region.
Did I miss something ? Like - Who has been nominated in the South West Region to be the 24 hour Unit ???
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Nearest aircraft, border less tasking...sounds like future entry requirements for Devon & Cornwall, Dorset, Hampshire, Sussex and Kent Police, will be 'A Level' French 
Nice jolly for the officers collecting the video though
Nice jolly for the officers collecting the video though
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Also in today's news;
We need drone aircraft, says police chief - Telegraph
7:07AM BST 01 Oct 2012
Thinking of the future no doubt, but I reckon not when he's still working for the Police 
We need drone aircraft, says police chief - Telegraph
7:07AM BST 01 Oct 2012
Alex Marshall from Hampshire Police was speaking ahead of the launch of the new National Police Air Service (NPAS) today, which it is hoped will cost millions less than the current localised system.
The senior officer, who is leading the scheme for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said drones can stay in the air longer and would be cheaper than running manned aircraft.
"We don't use them in mainstream policing at the moment but they may well offer something for the future," Mr Marshall said. "They can stay up longer, they're cheaper, they can do things that you can't do having people in the air.
The senior officer, who is leading the scheme for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said drones can stay in the air longer and would be cheaper than running manned aircraft.
"We don't use them in mainstream policing at the moment but they may well offer something for the future," Mr Marshall said. "They can stay up longer, they're cheaper, they can do things that you can't do having people in the air.
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Interesting to see Mr. Marshall on BBC Breakfast News this morning -
When asked by the reporter who would be providing Air Support in Plymouth at 4am, (and suggesting it might have to come from London ), the response was
that there would be a 24 hour aircraft available in the South West Region.
Did I miss something ? Like - Who has been nominated in the South West Region to be the 24 hour Unit ???
When asked by the reporter who would be providing Air Support in Plymouth at 4am, (and suggesting it might have to come from London ), the response was
that there would be a 24 hour aircraft available in the South West Region.
Did I miss something ? Like - Who has been nominated in the South West Region to be the 24 hour Unit ???
He told me he would be with me in 24 hours......
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I heard a rumour that the plumber might be worth giving a shout, but can anyone confirm the response time and priority given if a pursuit kicks off ?
I have been told that the level of pilots required from here on in is unlikely to fall. A handful were put out in the market when Norfolk and Cambridgeshire closed down and that is about all that was needed to lean up the overall picture.
As for Alex Marshall's reply to the question about Plymouth - his easy answer was 'exactly the same as today' but as a front man in this operation that easy reply simply eluded him.....
It is noteworthy that the TV reporter was equally well briefed [by someone from Rotorheads no doubt] and came in all guns blazing on the questions.
This is Day 1 of the rest of our lives. It may work out fine.
As for Alex Marshall's reply to the question about Plymouth - his easy answer was 'exactly the same as today' but as a front man in this operation that easy reply simply eluded him.....
It is noteworthy that the TV reporter was equally well briefed [by someone from Rotorheads no doubt] and came in all guns blazing on the questions.
This is Day 1 of the rest of our lives. It may work out fine.
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The NPAS management have played it close to their chest so far. However, unless they plan to have a box of "resting pilots" ready for immediate action (unlikely if you are to try to save money) I would venture that the system will require fewer pilots.
I am a little removed from this coal face these days, but the picture is rather complicated at present. Prior to NPAS, pilots were self-employed, employed by contractors or be directly employed by a police force/service. These all hinge on contractual arrangements that are between different organisations, that were planned to run for different periods.
No doubt when the final setup is in place, some sort of standardisation will occur. However,that won't be easy. If one assumes that NPAS will not want to directly employ, there could be a nice contract available for one of the big operators to provide and train the pilots.
I am a little removed from this coal face these days, but the picture is rather complicated at present. Prior to NPAS, pilots were self-employed, employed by contractors or be directly employed by a police force/service. These all hinge on contractual arrangements that are between different organisations, that were planned to run for different periods.
No doubt when the final setup is in place, some sort of standardisation will occur. However,that won't be easy. If one assumes that NPAS will not want to directly employ, there could be a nice contract available for one of the big operators to provide and train the pilots.
"We need drone aircraft, says police chief - Telegraph"
That's because Alex Marshall does not understand how police aviation actually works in practice or the limitations of the drones or, for that matter, how many drones you need to meet his own inadequate "within 20 minutes" rule.
That's because Alex Marshall does not understand how police aviation actually works in practice or the limitations of the drones or, for that matter, how many drones you need to meet his own inadequate "within 20 minutes" rule.