Is this an accident waiting to happen?
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From: yorkshire uk
Henra .....honestly what are you trying to do 
You come onto this thread without an invitation from those of us with proper professional licences ( i,m talking people with lots of stripes and white gloves ), and quite frankly you have ruined it 
You put forward a logical list of faults ranked by their severity ...you quite accurately assess the risk for each ......you dont have a dig at ppl,s ( morons ) and you dont abuse our Chief ( Top Cat ).
Your no fun ...spoilsport.
Epitaph ....turn and slip .....i dont think i,ve got one ( only just taken delivery of new heli ) but will have a look next time i get in ....!! and i,m not that clever ...just in comparison to you
You come onto this thread without an invitation from those of us with proper professional licences ( i,m talking people with lots of stripes and white gloves ), and quite frankly you have ruined it You put forward a logical list of faults ranked by their severity ...you quite accurately assess the risk for each ......you dont have a dig at ppl,s ( morons ) and you dont abuse our Chief ( Top Cat ).
Your no fun ...spoilsport.
Epitaph ....turn and slip .....i dont think i,ve got one ( only just taken delivery of new heli ) but will have a look next time i get in ....!! and i,m not that clever ...just in comparison to you
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without an invitation from those of us with proper professional licence
PROFESSIONAL = flies with knowledge, skill, judgment and awareness
Doesnt matter what it says on a piece of paper. Some pilots get paid to do this; many others do this without pay, and many get paid who dont/cant do this.
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From: South West
I can't believe the amount of poor airmanship demonstrated in this video.
The equation is simple. Fly an R22 & 44 (or any other aircraft for that matter) in accordance with the Flight Manual, basic and type training instruction and you will remain perfectly safe. Step outside of this and your life expectancy (certainly career) will be considerably reduced. Show the machine a healthy respect, otherwise it will bite!, hard!!.
This type of behaviour will catch up with this guy eventually, in some form or another. Lets hope it's in a form other than the premature curtailment of his life.
The equation is simple. Fly an R22 & 44 (or any other aircraft for that matter) in accordance with the Flight Manual, basic and type training instruction and you will remain perfectly safe. Step outside of this and your life expectancy (certainly career) will be considerably reduced. Show the machine a healthy respect, otherwise it will bite!, hard!!.
This type of behaviour will catch up with this guy eventually, in some form or another. Lets hope it's in a form other than the premature curtailment of his life.
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From: UK
Apologies if this is posted already....
But here's another one to throw into the pot!!! Enjoy...
LiveLeak.com - Helicopter Flying Skills
But here's another one to throw into the pot!!! Enjoy...
LiveLeak.com - Helicopter Flying Skills
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From: UK
Completely different kettle of fish, 2PB.
Obviously very low in places, but not necessarily dangerous. Was probably(/maybe!) a very well recced route (ie no wires), very remote, always had a potential reject, outside of the h/v curve etc etc.
Obviously very low in places, but not necessarily dangerous. Was probably(/maybe!) a very well recced route (ie no wires), very remote, always had a potential reject, outside of the h/v curve etc etc.
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From: At home
If folks don't see the diffrence in those two videos, it is no surprise that some threads on this forum becomes amusing reading...
Judging from the scenery, I would ''guess'' it's not the UK... so, no point of contacting the CAA then... bummer!
Judging from the scenery, I would ''guess'' it's not the UK... so, no point of contacting the CAA then... bummer!
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From: UK
Oh totally agree that its not in the same band as our Brazilian counterpart.
But you have to admit, still a few questionable points to raise.
Just because you're out of the hv band, doesn't make you invincible. I don't know the aircraft type but if its a single and your engine farts at that height, you need good skills to put the aircraft down safely, especially on that type of surface (potentially frozen river).
Increased risk of bird strikes.
Misjudgement of pilot when flaring to clear trees - you clip the disc and you could be in a world of poop.
All of this in a place where if you have an accident, rescue probably won't be fast.
Maybe I'm a kill joy, but if I want to fly like that, my pax would be informed of the risks and I certainly wouldn't have it posted on the web.
But you have to admit, still a few questionable points to raise.
Just because you're out of the hv band, doesn't make you invincible. I don't know the aircraft type but if its a single and your engine farts at that height, you need good skills to put the aircraft down safely, especially on that type of surface (potentially frozen river).
Increased risk of bird strikes.
Misjudgement of pilot when flaring to clear trees - you clip the disc and you could be in a world of poop.
All of this in a place where if you have an accident, rescue probably won't be fast.
Maybe I'm a kill joy, but if I want to fly like that, my pax would be informed of the risks and I certainly wouldn't have it posted on the web.
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From: Europe
Where lies the real risk?
I get more and more the impression, that we are not that good a judging risks. All of our flight instructors hammered the same old stories in our brains. Be aware of the engine failure! Only, the risk of having an engine failure is rather low. Especially in an R44 or in the big ships. Hitting something is the main reason for accidents today. Pilots all over the world are half of their flying time inside the dead mans curve and they do not fall from the skies like flies. Far from it. I can not remember an engine failure in Switzerland, but we had quite a few accidents for other reasons. Hitting things and bad full down autos rank pretty high. (No, there is one exception, HB-XKE had a double engine failure, but the pilot accidentely turned them off).
Therefore, if there are always the same voices that tell you:"Oh my good, if you have an engine failure in that situation, you are in deep trouble!" give them a smile and point them to the statistics. If you fly low, FIRST think about hitting something. And that's a risk you can manage. It is inherently more dangerous than flying high, but it's up to you, how much risk you take.
On the other hand, our brasilian friend should loose his ticket as soon as possible for his own safety.
Therefore, if there are always the same voices that tell you:"Oh my good, if you have an engine failure in that situation, you are in deep trouble!" give them a smile and point them to the statistics. If you fly low, FIRST think about hitting something. And that's a risk you can manage. It is inherently more dangerous than flying high, but it's up to you, how much risk you take.
On the other hand, our brasilian friend should loose his ticket as soon as possible for his own safety.
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From: Alles über die platz
Provided he doesn't break rule 5 (Uk) he's fine. I suspect his worse enemy is a bird strike or someone doing the same thing coming the other way 
