Is this an accident waiting to happen?
Nigel.
So you really think that taking off and landing 20 or 30 feet above the heads of people gathered on a beach is acceptable in a single? (i would't dream of doing it in a class 1 twin)
As for "within auto-rotational distance of shallow water" - you can drown quite happily in shallow water - especially if you're trapped in the wreckage of a non-float equipped helicopter or struggling around injured whilst not wearing a life-jacket!!!
Takes all kinds i suppose - just depends how much consideration you have for those around you and those flying with you.
OH
So you really think that taking off and landing 20 or 30 feet above the heads of people gathered on a beach is acceptable in a single? (i would't dream of doing it in a class 1 twin)
As for "within auto-rotational distance of shallow water" - you can drown quite happily in shallow water - especially if you're trapped in the wreckage of a non-float equipped helicopter or struggling around injured whilst not wearing a life-jacket!!!
Takes all kinds i suppose - just depends how much consideration you have for those around you and those flying with you.
OH
My point was that whilst not ideal it is obviously legal there ....as for the ditching i am not sure that lifejackets would be of any help just 50 mtres or so out especially with a beach full of people . The danger would be getting out which would be far easier with the doors off . So for my money i would feel safer in that situation with no lifejacket but v close to beach and with the doors off . Trying to land on the beach could well be a lot more risky not only to the pax but also the sunbathers !!
There are many more serious things to condemn him for in my opinion .
There are many more serious things to condemn him for in my opinion .
NigelH: as long as there are people like this brazilian pilot AND people like you who don't understand whats going on in that video (fully), there are going to be accidents and pointless loss of life.
For your passengers' sake please try to understand: FLIGHT SAFETY.
Your two example:
Taking off over persons:
The most critical time for engine failures is during takeoff. Professional pilots DON't ever take off over people GIVEN THE CHOICE.
Flying over water:
What's the difference between 2 feet of water and 200 feet of water? You drown in both. When the a/c hits the water there is a very high chance that the occupant is knocked out even for a brief moment. During that time WITHOUT a life vest, they will drown??
Please please...do your best to show us all that you deserve to be on this forum by commenting professionally.
"the rest is not dangerous other than being in a Robinson".....what's all that about?
For your passengers' sake please try to understand: FLIGHT SAFETY.
Your two example:
Taking off over persons:
The most critical time for engine failures is during takeoff. Professional pilots DON't ever take off over people GIVEN THE CHOICE.
Flying over water:
What's the difference between 2 feet of water and 200 feet of water? You drown in both. When the a/c hits the water there is a very high chance that the occupant is knocked out even for a brief moment. During that time WITHOUT a life vest, they will drown??
Please please...do your best to show us all that you deserve to be on this forum by commenting professionally.
"the rest is not dangerous other than being in a Robinson".....what's all that about?
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In case any of you did not notice, there is an area fenced off adjacent to the pad which the pilot flew out over during take off. The camera was not pointing at this space during take off but you can see it during short finals.
Funny how most of you on this thread are yes men and do not see another point of view, you only want to see what you want to see.
If this was indeed a raving nutter and has been doing this a lot, then how come he has not had an accident yet?
Could it be because he is flying the aircraft within it's limitations and his ability.
Some people like to be thrown around during a pleasure flight.
Funny how most of you on this thread are yes men and do not see another point of view, you only want to see what you want to see.
If this was indeed a raving nutter and has been doing this a lot, then how come he has not had an accident yet?
Could it be because he is flying the aircraft within it's limitations and his ability.
Some people like to be thrown around during a pleasure flight.
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Thomas coupling,
Just out of curiosity, can you explain this please?
As far as I have learned from various HUET courses, you need to be consius to get your ass out of the sinking helicopter(let alone inflating the jackets)
If you're ''knocked out'' on impact, I would think you'll drown with a perfectly usable lifejacket around your neck INNSIDE the helicopter.
Just out of curiosity, can you explain this please?
When the a/c hits the water there is a very high chance that the occupant is knocked out even for a brief moment. During that time WITHOUT a life vest, they will drown??
If you're ''knocked out'' on impact, I would think you'll drown with a perfectly usable lifejacket around your neck INNSIDE the helicopter.
Nubian,
as you will know then, inflating a life jacket under water inside the helo is prohibited in huet trng for obvious reasons. If you are unconscious under water, correct, you will drown.
However, I was attempting to respond to the scenario described by nigelh.
Landing a helo in shallow water could very easily result in the aircraft spilling the occupants out or allowing them to escape relatively quickly thereafter (rotors stopped). For those with LJ's on that jacket will prevent them from drowning if they are disorientated or can't swim. Without LJ's what do u reckon their chances are?
That, I would suggest is why the authorities (UK) require LJ's outside of autorange from the coast for pax carrying helo's.
as you will know then, inflating a life jacket under water inside the helo is prohibited in huet trng for obvious reasons. If you are unconscious under water, correct, you will drown.
However, I was attempting to respond to the scenario described by nigelh.
Landing a helo in shallow water could very easily result in the aircraft spilling the occupants out or allowing them to escape relatively quickly thereafter (rotors stopped). For those with LJ's on that jacket will prevent them from drowning if they are disorientated or can't swim. Without LJ's what do u reckon their chances are?
That, I would suggest is why the authorities (UK) require LJ's outside of autorange from the coast for pax carrying helo's.
chopjock. Take a good look at the fenced area - then take a good look at the actual take off path (and all the people under it). If by "Yes man" you mean someone who cares about the people who fly with him and the people around him then i happily accept that title.
If by "Yes man" you mean someone who cares about the people who fly with him and the people around him then i happily accept that title.
Silsoe . Explain to me the dangers of diving , lets say a 30 min dive to 50ft and then later in the day flying a helicopter at 500ft . I suspect that everything you spout is read from a book .
T.C. You assume too much . You may well have some experience and a lot of hours but i also fly , and have flown, with people (who are friends) who have every bit of your experience . If you wish to preach safety you should do it in such a way that people want to listen to you . The points i made were valid (according to my friends) and just because you disagree does not give you the right to be condescending .
How do you KNOW he willingly is taking off over people ?
Was there a fenced off piece ?
Is he in a position to give his job up rather than operate from that site ??
Would a life jacket help if you were inside a helicopter in 2ft of water ?
I did say i thought the overall flight was not how i would do it and was not professional ...i just was not going to get on the band wagon of picking on every misdemenour from his socks or lack of them !!!
Just remember you are NOT my commanding officer and i would ask you not to PM me again to give me a lecture as i have exactly the same right to post on here as you do !!
You may believe you know me and think i am a dangerous pilot but i would point out the following
1) I have been flying for over 30 yrs with 1 accident (due component failure) and have never been in trouble with the FAA or CAA.
2) There are a few , incl Mil instructors , on this site who have flown with me who would argue the case .
Sometimes, admittedly, i do like to wind up pumped up stuffed shirts with gold on their shoulders just for fun .
T.C. You assume too much . You may well have some experience and a lot of hours but i also fly , and have flown, with people (who are friends) who have every bit of your experience . If you wish to preach safety you should do it in such a way that people want to listen to you . The points i made were valid (according to my friends) and just because you disagree does not give you the right to be condescending .
How do you KNOW he willingly is taking off over people ?
Was there a fenced off piece ?
Is he in a position to give his job up rather than operate from that site ??
Would a life jacket help if you were inside a helicopter in 2ft of water ?
I did say i thought the overall flight was not how i would do it and was not professional ...i just was not going to get on the band wagon of picking on every misdemenour from his socks or lack of them !!!
Just remember you are NOT my commanding officer and i would ask you not to PM me again to give me a lecture as i have exactly the same right to post on here as you do !!
You may believe you know me and think i am a dangerous pilot but i would point out the following
1) I have been flying for over 30 yrs with 1 accident (due component failure) and have never been in trouble with the FAA or CAA.
2) There are a few , incl Mil instructors , on this site who have flown with me who would argue the case .
Sometimes, admittedly, i do like to wind up pumped up stuffed shirts with gold on their shoulders just for fun .
NigelH
And there are lots of them on PPRuNe - good for you!! Don't tell me TC has been PM'ing you too?! He thinks he's God's gift..
The bottom line is that this pilot (sic) unnecessarily flew out of limits, both the heli and seemingly his own. How could anyone condone it
He flew over MCP throughout, exceeded bank angles and (somehow) caused the low rpm light to illuminate. His flight was dangerous and just because he hasn't had an accident to date doesn't mean this is acceptable flying; what an absurd argument.
i do like to wind up pumped up stuffed shirts with gold on their shoulders just for fun
The bottom line is that this pilot (sic) unnecessarily flew out of limits, both the heli and seemingly his own. How could anyone condone it
He flew over MCP throughout, exceeded bank angles and (somehow) caused the low rpm light to illuminate. His flight was dangerous and just because he hasn't had an accident to date doesn't mean this is acceptable flying; what an absurd argument.