East Anglian Air Ambulance temporarily grounded/Longmint status
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I agree with Theloudone, having read through this thread it has become rather tedious, the drawn out waffle from some members is tiring in the least.
I have nothing to do with or have had any dealings with the Longmint group, but they probably act in no less a manner than other individuals who own / run a business. I wonder what employees of other members of Longmint would have to say about this thread?
Yes this is a small industry in relation to others that could be mentioned, but i get the feeling that some people rabbit on about what is happening with this business just to convey rumours and possibly mischief. Taking the neutral standpoint i wonder how many of the contributors of this thread may work for the competition and are putting in their opinions............. happens in other industries!!
I have nothing to do with or have had any dealings with the Longmint group, but they probably act in no less a manner than other individuals who own / run a business. I wonder what employees of other members of Longmint would have to say about this thread?
Yes this is a small industry in relation to others that could be mentioned, but i get the feeling that some people rabbit on about what is happening with this business just to convey rumours and possibly mischief. Taking the neutral standpoint i wonder how many of the contributors of this thread may work for the competition and are putting in their opinions............. happens in other industries!!
Interesting starting post from OldTone - A Troll?
- FYI
I have links with SHL for several years from several other organisations. I have also had professional contact with LMA. I am not in a competitive job/contract.
I confess to liking the former and not the latter.
- FYI
I have links with SHL for several years from several other organisations. I have also had professional contact with LMA. I am not in a competitive job/contract.
I confess to liking the former and not the latter.
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Oldetonian, the vast majority of the contributors to this thread know about, and care, what is happening to the various Longmint companies. What you read may just seem like rumour and mischief but, those who are closer to the situation can read between the lines.
As someone who part-owns and runs a business, I can assure you that what the Longmint directors are doing is not common, or acceptable practice.
If it sounds like tedious waffle, may I suggest it's because you don't know the circumstances. Personally, I think it is to the credit of the contributors here that some of the exact details have not been explicitly stated and that discretion has been adopted.
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As someone who part-owns and runs a business, I can assure you that what the Longmint directors are doing is not common, or acceptable practice.
If it sounds like tedious waffle, may I suggest it's because you don't know the circumstances. Personally, I think it is to the credit of the contributors here that some of the exact details have not been explicitly stated and that discretion has been adopted.
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Whirygig -Yes you may be closer to this situation than i, however in my experience what seems to be happening is something i have witnessed other individuals do over the years.
I also appreciate that this forum does provide a basis for pilots to view their opinions about what is going on in the industry & ask for information that possibly other well connected sources may provide.
I inserted my opinion about this thread and do not mind whether others agree or disagree, as i said earlier you may well be closer to this situation than i. Fortunatley for me i am glad i sold my businesses when i did.
I also appreciate that this forum does provide a basis for pilots to view their opinions about what is going on in the industry & ask for information that possibly other well connected sources may provide.
I inserted my opinion about this thread and do not mind whether others agree or disagree, as i said earlier you may well be closer to this situation than i. Fortunatley for me i am glad i sold my businesses when i did.
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Then your opinion is based upon what precisely?
Oh you say 
Your ignorance on the issue is astounding.
The majority of people who comment in this thread have the benefit of contact with the companies involved and more importantly, have a comprehensive understanding of the history behind BBBC/LMA. You clearly have neither.
What makes you think that they are not aware or indeed contributing?
Competition? You really do not understand at all do you? Most if not all of the participants in this thread are genuinely concerned and are fervent supporters of the individual companies that have been trashed by BBCC/LMA. Nobody has or is slagging off the management or the workers at the coal face because we know exactly what they are up against. You'd do well to research BBCC before posting further.
I have nothing to do with or have had any dealings with the Longmint group,
but they probably act in no less a manner than other individuals who own / run a business.
Your ignorance on the issue is astounding.The majority of people who comment in this thread have the benefit of contact with the companies involved and more importantly, have a comprehensive understanding of the history behind BBBC/LMA. You clearly have neither.
I wonder what employees of other members of Longmint would have to say about this thread?
Taking the neutral standpoint i wonder how many of the contributors of this thread may work for the competition
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You are doing a very passable impression of a troll.
To reiterate Whirls and 996 comments,many on this thread have had direct dealings with LMA/BBCC. There are current and previous employees here and whilst I am sure there are a few competitors as well, very few if any have had negative comment about the original companies.
We are not talking about a normal company or way of doing business.I you re-read, or indeed read for the first time, some 350 posts you will see employees that haven't been paid on time or correct amounts since last summer. Large important contracts have been allowed to rot on the vine. Key personnel have left; causing the loss of CAA approvals.
Also, there have been previous threads discussing the sacking due to gross misconduct, etc. If you look back and search a little you will find many threads associated with BBCC, Longmint and Erinaceous. Many of the previous threads were defended by senior personnel from Longmint, Longmint Flyer an obvious one, where are they now?
I find the SAR(H) idea laughable but seeing how BBCC do business I don't doubt it was possibly their aim. Remember the aim in their previous business was to create a "one stop property shop". That failed with £250 Million of debt; see a trend?
If this organization was really about providing a quality aviation service than maybe the would have sold off the multi million pound mansion, their luxury hotel or any of their large property portfolio, even their matching Aston Martins, to ensure that contracts were maintained. Longmint have invested bu**ger all in these companies; look at the state of the buildings at Fairoaks, the lack of credit with suppliers leading to customer aircraft being delayed etc.
Yes, this thread is getting a bit dull because there is little to add at the moment, it may change in the near future. However, it should remain so that those without knowledge of the relevant companies can be given a reason to ask questions, and get answers, before committing to spend any money with LMA. None of us want to see anyone else hurt by what must be an impending demise.
You are doing a very passable impression of a troll.
To reiterate Whirls and 996 comments,many on this thread have had direct dealings with LMA/BBCC. There are current and previous employees here and whilst I am sure there are a few competitors as well, very few if any have had negative comment about the original companies.
We are not talking about a normal company or way of doing business.I you re-read, or indeed read for the first time, some 350 posts you will see employees that haven't been paid on time or correct amounts since last summer. Large important contracts have been allowed to rot on the vine. Key personnel have left; causing the loss of CAA approvals.
Also, there have been previous threads discussing the sacking due to gross misconduct, etc. If you look back and search a little you will find many threads associated with BBCC, Longmint and Erinaceous. Many of the previous threads were defended by senior personnel from Longmint, Longmint Flyer an obvious one, where are they now?
I find the SAR(H) idea laughable but seeing how BBCC do business I don't doubt it was possibly their aim. Remember the aim in their previous business was to create a "one stop property shop". That failed with £250 Million of debt; see a trend?
If this organization was really about providing a quality aviation service than maybe the would have sold off the multi million pound mansion, their luxury hotel or any of their large property portfolio, even their matching Aston Martins, to ensure that contracts were maintained. Longmint have invested bu**ger all in these companies; look at the state of the buildings at Fairoaks, the lack of credit with suppliers leading to customer aircraft being delayed etc.
Yes, this thread is getting a bit dull because there is little to add at the moment, it may change in the near future. However, it should remain so that those without knowledge of the relevant companies can be given a reason to ask questions, and get answers, before committing to spend any money with LMA. None of us want to see anyone else hurt by what must be an impending demise.
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cladosporangium - Unless the senior management, (and I use the term in the loosest sense), is willing to support the people at the coal-face then it is impossible to make progress. FACT
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Ah! I see a pattern here with some users, if you do not agree with their views, then petty name calling & a case of ignorance is the response?
Well as i mentioned earlier i am unconcerned if my views are met with disagreement, seems to me that a small click of users are at work here. Whilst i understand the nature of this thread i also feel it has become tedious and that opinion has not changed.
Enjoy the rest of the Bank Holiday, i believe some people need to loosen up and not be so self absorbed in their comments.
Well as i mentioned earlier i am unconcerned if my views are met with disagreement, seems to me that a small click of users are at work here. Whilst i understand the nature of this thread i also feel it has become tedious and that opinion has not changed.
Enjoy the rest of the Bank Holiday, i believe some people need to loosen up and not be so self absorbed in their comments.
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Sorry oldetonian but this cannot be allowed to pass ...
Where has anyone resorted to petty name calling? As for ignorance, you yourself admitted to knowing nothing about the situation. Knowing nothing is, ipso facto, the definition of ignorance. Whilst the word "ignorance" may be used in a perjorative contaxt, it has been used here correctly.
Indeed, they'd be the ones who know, care or are involved in the situation.
This thread, and this forum, is not here for your sole amusement. As a new poster (if, indeed, you are), you should be aware of forum etiquette. Personally, I find Coronation Street tedious so, guess what? I don't watch it.
I don't think many of the posters on this thread are self-absorbed. However, constant use of the personal pronoun and protestations of being bored, indicate pot-kettle-black.
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then petty name calling & a case of ignorance is the response?
seems to me that a small click of users are at work here.
i also feel it has become tedious
and not be so self absorbed in their comments.
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If oldetonian isn't a troll, he's certainly making a good job of imitating one.
He shows the same contempt for users of this network that BBCC/LMA shows to those unfortunate enough to cross their path. His arrogance alone would easily qualify him for membership of their inner circle of 'yes men'.
Best ignored I think.
He shows the same contempt for users of this network that BBCC/LMA shows to those unfortunate enough to cross their path. His arrogance alone would easily qualify him for membership of their inner circle of 'yes men'.
Best ignored I think.
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FFF, go and wash your mouth out 
..... I don't do any soap operas, not even The Archers 
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..... I don't do any soap operas, not even The Archers Cheers
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You may well have read this thread but either you do not understand what is going on here or as has been said previously you are part of the BBCC inner circle. The fact remains there are people out there, some of whom I would call friends others can I call colleagues who are not being paid on time or correct amounts this is a fact, they have bills and mortages to pay another fact which may or may not penetrate your thick skin, and their senior management do not seem to give a toss. If you think this is correct I feel sorry for any one that has to work with you, and I treat you with the same contempt you show to others.
You may well have read this thread but either you do not understand what is going on here or as has been said previously you are part of the BBCC inner circle. The fact remains there are people out there, some of whom I would call friends others can I call colleagues who are not being paid on time or correct amounts this is a fact, they have bills and mortages to pay another fact which may or may not penetrate your thick skin, and their senior management do not seem to give a toss. If you think this is correct I feel sorry for any one that has to work with you, and I treat you with the same contempt you show to others.
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Nice reference to Napoleon have you read this
TMF: A Touch of the Napoleon’s / Paulypilot's Pub - Share Ideas
Nice reference to Napoleon have you read this
TMF: A Touch of the Napoleon’s / Paulypilot's Pub - Share Ideas
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oldetonian -
The word you are looking for is 'Clique' not click.
You really are a numpty are you not?
Or Troll indeed?
Ah! I see a pattern here with some users, if you do not agree with their views, then petty name calling & a case of ignorance is the response?
Well as i mentioned earlier i am unconcerned if my views are met with disagreement, seems to me that a small click of users are at work here. Whilst i understand the nature of this thread i also feel it has become tedious and that opinion has not changed.
Well as i mentioned earlier i am unconcerned if my views are met with disagreement, seems to me that a small click of users are at work here. Whilst i understand the nature of this thread i also feel it has become tedious and that opinion has not changed.
Enjoy the rest of the Bank Holiday, i believe some people need to loosen up and not be so self absorbed in their comments.
Or Troll indeed?
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The Spirit Lives
The English mowed down the French knights with just a lightly armed force fighting with the welsh longbow.
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MAYBE THE W SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH A U FOR SOME OF THESE PEOPLE
MAYBE THE W SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH A U FOR SOME OF THESE PEOPLE
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....er.... in the Welsh language, the "w" is the equivalent of our English "u" ... as in Cwm Rhondda
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