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Old 17th Jun 2017, 07:41
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139 Cabin Door opening in flight

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Have any of you had incidences of the main cabin door opening in flight, and if so can you describe the event and any remedies ye took to avoid it happening again. Was the door closed from the inside? Pins not engaged? Speed at the time the door opened etc
Wasn't my flight but yes company had a door open in flight, not sure of speed but it wasn't pretty when I believe the door opened and came off the bottom rails, thank goodness for floats on wheel sponsons to stop the door from flapping all the way up and coming off going through the tail rotor ( excuse the dramatics but it could have been ugly) turns out (my opinion so don't use it against me) the pin in the door had broken, I believe was due to being set a little too tight and with use eventually weakened and bent and broke the pin ( 8mm or 10mm bolt so not small) this was on a low time aircraft. R1,000,000 later door replaced. Thoughts if you get a door unlock light but seems to be closed, remove passengers, close door, lock it with a seatbelt from the front row and fly home as slow as your fuel supply will allow. Or put a crew man holding the door. Remove door open covering and inspect for bent rods.

My thoughts only - use it don't use it ;-)
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Old 18th Jun 2017, 01:33
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open door in flight !

Hello Tormas,
Where are you located because we had 2 similar event in less than a month here, so it will be interesting to know if it is a general problem
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Old 19th Jun 2017, 07:22
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Originally Posted by Arcal76
Hello Tormas,
Where are you located because we had 2 similar event in less than a month here, so it will be interesting to know if it is a general problem
Sunny South Africa, I think it's a problem from the factory assembly, locking the door from the outside required (on the old one) a fair amount of power on the handle to close it the last bit. Which in my opinion only was the reason the rod end eventually broke off
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Old 17th Aug 2017, 18:31
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Can somebody please share the BEM for a 139. I got one input and it's 4500 kg with floats only... which is no competition to a 412 in any point of view.
I'm looking for DPIFR airframe with hoist to be precise.
Thanks!
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Old 18th Aug 2017, 00:44
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Originally Posted by Phoinix
Can somebody please share the BEM for a 139. I got one input and it's 4500 kg with floats only... which is no competition to a 412 in any point of view.
I'm looking for DPIFR airframe with hoist to be precise.
Thanks!
Floats and liferafts add about 200Kg, we removed them during winter for external load operation in the arctic.
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Old 26th Aug 2017, 09:14
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Originally Posted by manamale
Have any of you had incidences of the main cabin door opening in flight, and if so can you describe the event and any remedies ye took to avoid it happening again. Was the door closed from the inside? Pins not engaged? Speed at the time the door opened etc
Leonardo has a new service bulletin that adds a rod and secures aft portion of door. This also adds a handle to help pull the door in.
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Old 26th Aug 2017, 09:40
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Aw139 baggage compartment gas struts.

Two of our earliest 139 s/n 41009 and 41012 have older style double gas strut door openers. Can someone out there suggest a bulletin that converts it to a single strut . Thanks
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Old 27th Aug 2017, 05:45
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Originally Posted by PabloLAFDmech
Two of our earliest 139 s/n 41009 and 41012 have older style double gas strut door openers. Can someone out there suggest a bulletin that converts it to a single strut . Thanks
If you mean two struts in the centre of the door where there would normally be one strut, that is a local mod. Started in Den Helder to hold up the doors when they were opened on the rig with the engines running.

Agusta do not supply baggage doors with two struts in the centre. For Long Nose and Long Nose Enhanced, you can get doors with two struts. One at the front of the door, one at the back.

Find out the mod that was done on your aircraft and remove it. Then you comply with the parts book again
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Old 14th Nov 2017, 16:44
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Originally Posted by PabloLAFDmech
Leonardo has a new service bulletin that adds a rod and secures aft portion of door. This also adds a handle to help pull the door in.
We had the same problem and came up with our own STC modification if anyone's interested...
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Old 29th Dec 2017, 01:44
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2 million flight hours claimed fleet wide by Leonardo.

AW139 global helicopter fleet sets outstanding milestone of two million flight hours - DETAIL - Leonardo - Aerospace, Defence and Security
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 11:52
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RFM/QRH updates

Hi everybody, I'm new in this forum and I would like to ask any 139 expert (I have only 350 fh on 139) about some updates of the RFM/QRH that cames up with the Rev. 22...

First: OEI TNG LIMITATION (page 25 limitation on QRH), they took away the possibility to use OEI TNG switch in condition other than CAT A... but I don't understand if they mean that you DO NOT have to use it when you are outside the parameters that guarantee the CAT A performance (that make sense) or if other than not use it outside that parameters, you can't use it when you are not performing CAT A t/o and landings... like when you are in cruise at 140kias...

In this case the only problem that I see is that in cruise at 140 if you use OEI TNG and you don't reduce the PI in few seconds, the NR will drop as far as 87% before the system automatically disengage. Can this be a problem for backgoing blade that can stall at that speed??

thanks for any advice, more questions will came and I hope it can be a mean to expand anyone knowledge on this beautiful machine.
thanks

P.S. Can be helpful to open a new thread on RFM/QRH updates to discuss??
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Old 9th Apr 2018, 15:05
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Hi, the OEI TNG switch is part of CatA training supplement, that means it should only be used during CatA profile training. Remember only TRIs are allowed to use this switch
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Old 9th Apr 2018, 20:28
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In other words, don't worry about it.
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Old 10th Apr 2018, 09:20
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Remember only TRIs are allowed to use this switch
I wasn't aware of that. Is that stated by Leonardo somewhere?
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Old 10th Apr 2018, 12:47
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Who else would be doing simulated engine malfunctions as part of Cat A profiles?
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Old 10th Apr 2018, 13:24
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TREs perhaps? ;-)
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Old 10th Apr 2018, 23:28
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AFAIK. A Check Airman or indeed any ATP under FAA is allowed to instruct a fellow pilot on type.

If Leonardo have not placed restrictions on the use of the training switch in the RFM then just maybe they envisaged it being used safely and sensibly by competent line pilots?

Whether that’s a good idea or not is a separate discussion.
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Old 11th Apr 2018, 00:25
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If the Supplement 12 criteria for use of the CAT A Performance and training modes are met, plus your relevant company does have the use of said modes restricted to TRE/TRI use. Then the RFM does not say who it is restricted to be used by. Probably best left to the Sim check..
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 13:18
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Hi all. Does anyone know how much the 139 certification costs now? Theory and practical for pilots? Thanks
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 13:51
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So why do manufacturers put an OEI TRG switch on their aircraft?

Is it A - so line pilots can f**k about with it - that is if they get any training hours to do so

Or is it B - so realistic engine failure profiles can be flown for Cat A training in a safe manner and with the safety net that the OEI TRG will disengage if the Nr droops too low, the other 'good' engine fails or the TQ LIM is disengaged?

As to the argument for the use of the TQ LIM when AEO - seems rather pointless and, since the TQ LIM and the OEI TRG are linked, would suggest that the TQ LIM is only meant for OEI trg.
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