Agusta AW139
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AW139 question
I have been contacted by an organisation who are building a helipad that may be used by aircraft up to AW139 class. The helipad will be a raised (steel) construction, with a timber decking. Can any of the AW139 operators out there provide me with pavement loading specifications for this type? Also wheel dimensions / pressures.
I have tried the Agusta Westland site & email, without success.
Thanks if you can!
Cat
I have tried the Agusta Westland site & email, without success.
Thanks if you can!
Cat
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AW 139 at the moment certified to 6400kgs (14100 lbs) MTOWA.
Nose gear has Twin wheels/tyres inflated to 132psi.
Main gear are Single wheel/tyre inflated to 230psi.
Hope this helps ....
Cheers spinny
AW 139 at the moment certified to 6400kgs (14100 lbs) MTOWA.
Nose gear has Twin wheels/tyres inflated to 132psi.
Main gear are Single wheel/tyre inflated to 230psi.
Hope this helps ....
Cheers spinny
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Landing gear
- Tread of main wheels ............................................. 3.04 m (9.97 ft)
- Wheel base .......................................................... 4.34 m (14.24 ft)
- Fuselage ground angle at BDGW (Nose up)..........................0° 23'
- Nose wheel tires inflation pressure .............................9.1 ±0.1 bar
(131.95 ±1.45 PSI)
- Main wheel tires inflation pressure ..........................15.85 ±0.1 bar
(229.82 ±1.45 PSI)
I can't find the PCN (Pavement Classification Number).
Regards.
Aser
- Tread of main wheels ............................................. 3.04 m (9.97 ft)
- Wheel base .......................................................... 4.34 m (14.24 ft)
- Fuselage ground angle at BDGW (Nose up)..........................0° 23'
- Nose wheel tires inflation pressure .............................9.1 ±0.1 bar
(131.95 ±1.45 PSI)
- Main wheel tires inflation pressure ..........................15.85 ±0.1 bar
(229.82 ±1.45 PSI)
I can't find the PCN (Pavement Classification Number).
Regards.
Aser
Originally Posted by Scattercat
Thanks for the info' chaps.
Would you have the wheels dimensions? Diameter / width??
Cheers
Would you have the wheels dimensions? Diameter / width??
Cheers
Nose Landing Gear: 5.00-5 Type: 10PR
Main Landing Gear: 18 X 5.5 Type: 10PR
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AW139 for QLD
Just heard that the QLD government has formally........finally announced that the AW139 will be the replacement aircraft for its Government Rescue Service. No doubt the boys at QR will be happy
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Great move forward
Well done to the CP of EMQ (formally QLD Rescue)and his helpers for moving forward and getting the AW139's. He could have taken the easy way out and settled for old tech B412's. Also NVG cert shortly for the company. Where does the line start for a job at EMQ. 
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Yer might just want to wait till the AW139 has proved itself before you elbow yourself into the que..... Early days yet though it is impressive!
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I dont have much interest in helicopters it was the budget that caught my eye.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...6/s1654532.htm
Qld Budget to include $50m helicopter spending
The Queensland Government will spend more than $48 million replacing its helicopter rescue fleet.
The overhaul will be part of record emergency services spending in Tuesday's Budget.
Premier Peter Beattie says the three helicopters will be bought over four years, with the first to be operational next July.
The funding will be included in next week's Budget.
Mr Beattie says the choppers have greater range and better night capabilities than the current versions.
"The helicopters - Augusta AW139 - we'll be the first in Australia to have them and we'll be at the cutting edge of these sorts of services," he said.
"This is not just a bit of bravado. The reality is we are the most decentralised state in Australia. We need them."
The improved performance of the Augusta 139s will take nearly 25 minutes off a two-hour retrieval mission, significantly increasing patients' survival odds.
Treasurer Anna Bligh says technological improvements will also make them capable of difficult night rescues.
"It's an autohover capacity, that allows winch retrievals over water at night time, which is currently not possible with the existing fleet," she said.
In 2001, the Rockhampton-based rescue helicopter crashed while trying to rescue stricken fishermen, at night, 130 nautical miles offshore.
No one was killed, but chief pilot Trevor Wilson says there was an anxious wait in treacherous conditions until daylight.
"When we located them at 2 o'clock in the morning, because we didn't have this service enhancement, all we were able to do is certainly drop them supplies, and come back at first light to perform the winch rescues," he said.
Two of the new helicopters will be operational in the second half of next year.
Altogether $64 million will be allocated to emergency management in Ms Bligh's first Budget, including another $5 million for the network of community helicopter providers, and more than $2 million for rescue services in the Torres Strait.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...6/s1654532.htm
Qld Budget to include $50m helicopter spending
The Queensland Government will spend more than $48 million replacing its helicopter rescue fleet.
The overhaul will be part of record emergency services spending in Tuesday's Budget.
Premier Peter Beattie says the three helicopters will be bought over four years, with the first to be operational next July.
The funding will be included in next week's Budget.
Mr Beattie says the choppers have greater range and better night capabilities than the current versions.
"The helicopters - Augusta AW139 - we'll be the first in Australia to have them and we'll be at the cutting edge of these sorts of services," he said.
"This is not just a bit of bravado. The reality is we are the most decentralised state in Australia. We need them."
The improved performance of the Augusta 139s will take nearly 25 minutes off a two-hour retrieval mission, significantly increasing patients' survival odds.
Treasurer Anna Bligh says technological improvements will also make them capable of difficult night rescues.
"It's an autohover capacity, that allows winch retrievals over water at night time, which is currently not possible with the existing fleet," she said.
In 2001, the Rockhampton-based rescue helicopter crashed while trying to rescue stricken fishermen, at night, 130 nautical miles offshore.
No one was killed, but chief pilot Trevor Wilson says there was an anxious wait in treacherous conditions until daylight.
"When we located them at 2 o'clock in the morning, because we didn't have this service enhancement, all we were able to do is certainly drop them supplies, and come back at first light to perform the winch rescues," he said.
Two of the new helicopters will be operational in the second half of next year.
Altogether $64 million will be allocated to emergency management in Ms Bligh's first Budget, including another $5 million for the network of community helicopter providers, and more than $2 million for rescue services in the Torres Strait.
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SP IFR anybody?
Not sure if new machine has attained SP IFR certification. If so good stuff. If not choice = Co Pilots or appropriate Auto Pilot.
> 5700 kg MTOW will be interesting from a maint and crew point of view. Many differences most not evident yet. Tyre press's for one will/may entail PCN/ACN's and landing on ply wood pontoons vis a vie Bris River Helipad = a no go! Ground taxi on Soft Tarmacs in summer = unhappy aerodrome operators due divets (avoid the steaming divet). OEI at HAUW over the divide in winter with ENG Antice on will mean Drift down will be interesting-see what the flight man says vs the sales pitch.
Interesting times all round........
Max
> 5700 kg MTOW will be interesting from a maint and crew point of view. Many differences most not evident yet. Tyre press's for one will/may entail PCN/ACN's and landing on ply wood pontoons vis a vie Bris River Helipad = a no go! Ground taxi on Soft Tarmacs in summer = unhappy aerodrome operators due divets (avoid the steaming divet). OEI at HAUW over the divide in winter with ENG Antice on will mean Drift down will be interesting-see what the flight man says vs the sales pitch.
Interesting times all round........
Max
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It's a shame they didn't pick a helicopter that was described by the tender document... i.e. 4tonns, SPIFR, with a budget of about $43,000,000. Once again, forget the process, and just pick the biggest, most expensive toy that you can get away with.
AW139 may turn out to be a great helicopter, but when will we see probity in the government tendering process. Hope the NSW Health is a fair contest.
AW139 may turn out to be a great helicopter, but when will we see probity in the government tendering process. Hope the NSW Health is a fair contest.
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Fact is .... that at the moment ...nothing else comes close to the AW139 for capability for the size (the same physical size as the 412EP).... YET!
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43 Million
43 Million seems like a awful lot of money to replace aircraft that are well and truly capable of performing all the task required of them?????? 
Couldn't the money be better spent?????
Couldn't the money be better spent?????
To all of you obsessed with SPIFR, could you explain why a medium RESCUE helicopter(maybe doing rescue over water at night) shouldn't have a properly trained and paid co-pilot (regardless of 4-axis or not)??¿¿
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Totally agree with you, and consider that it should be mandated. But the tender for the Qld EMS helicopter was clearly for 3 same type SPIFR helicopters.
I understand that DES hope to operate the AW139 SPIFR if they can get CASA approval....
Totally agree with you, and consider that it should be mandated. But the tender for the Qld EMS helicopter was clearly for 3 same type SPIFR helicopters.
I understand that DES hope to operate the AW139 SPIFR if they can get CASA approval....
SPIFR? Not really. Any mature EMS Oz organisation will have trained the up front crewman to assist the pilot, and in the case of some organisations, are trained to use the autopilot in the event of pilot incapacitation. Sound CRM and situational awareness training (like IF procedures, LSALT, sytems, etc) can mitigate the need to have two sets of controls. They are pretty well trained to do everything else anyway.
What strikes me in the buy is the focus on larger machines. QLD is generally a vast and remote state, with population centres heavily weighted to the coast. Wouldn't more, smaller machines be the better model? QLD may not suit more small machines....thoughts anyone?
I'm thinking EC145 or A109G at say Brizzy, Oakey, Rocky, Mackay/Whitsundays, Cairns, and long range bigger machines like 412, EC155, S76 or 139s at Townsville and Brizzy. Show me the money!!!
Having a 412 or 139 hovering over you for a rescue can be a dangerous thing. Timbered country, dust areas, in the water, in a liferaft, or clinging to a cliff - that downwash is no friend. On the other hand, going from remote hospital to hospital (why isnt a fixed wing employed?), that range and payload is fantastic. Is QLD suited to smaller more frequent models, or is big the only solution?
What strikes me in the buy is the focus on larger machines. QLD is generally a vast and remote state, with population centres heavily weighted to the coast. Wouldn't more, smaller machines be the better model? QLD may not suit more small machines....thoughts anyone?
I'm thinking EC145 or A109G at say Brizzy, Oakey, Rocky, Mackay/Whitsundays, Cairns, and long range bigger machines like 412, EC155, S76 or 139s at Townsville and Brizzy. Show me the money!!!
Having a 412 or 139 hovering over you for a rescue can be a dangerous thing. Timbered country, dust areas, in the water, in a liferaft, or clinging to a cliff - that downwash is no friend. On the other hand, going from remote hospital to hospital (why isnt a fixed wing employed?), that range and payload is fantastic. Is QLD suited to smaller more frequent models, or is big the only solution?
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I think the point is to have a more capable machine than the now aged BH412EP ... as well as having a machine that for the say next 10 yrs will have the potential to keep up with and possibly even lead with future rescue technology and development (eg NVG and synthetic vision etc).
Anyone who has flown any of the current crop of smaller machines has to have recognised those machines flaws be they cabin size, endurance, vibration levels or OEI performance capability.
The reality is that nowdays agencies involved in the business of Rescue or Medical Evacuations and suchlike as well as the Governments that are responsible for them HAVE A DUTY OF CARE to provide to the crews AND the public the best tools to do their jobs. In this case they are trying to update the equipment to the best possible to suit the needs of Queensland as they see it.
Having over the past few years seen some of the EMS disasters that have happened in Queensland because of underfunded community organisations trying to make "strawberry Jam outa goatdroppings" (try as hard as you like it will never quite taste right!) this is a responsible way to go.
Thanks
Anyone who has flown any of the current crop of smaller machines has to have recognised those machines flaws be they cabin size, endurance, vibration levels or OEI performance capability.
The reality is that nowdays agencies involved in the business of Rescue or Medical Evacuations and suchlike as well as the Governments that are responsible for them HAVE A DUTY OF CARE to provide to the crews AND the public the best tools to do their jobs. In this case they are trying to update the equipment to the best possible to suit the needs of Queensland as they see it.
Having over the past few years seen some of the EMS disasters that have happened in Queensland because of underfunded community organisations trying to make "strawberry Jam outa goatdroppings" (try as hard as you like it will never quite taste right!) this is a responsible way to go.
Thanks
Helmet fire - for hovering over the water at night you want a second pilot up the front - not for when it is all going right but for when it goes wrong and since the winch operator is going to be doing exactly that, he is no place to help the handling pilot deal with a malfunction when winching. It makes the difference between managing a malfunction and ending up as another casualty. SPIFR, no problem - in the cruise the rear crew can help out as much as they like (unless they are giving CPR in the back to a critical casualty) but over water ops, give me 2 pilots every time.
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Irish Air Corps: First AW139 to military
The first of four AgustaWestland AW139 helicopters for the Irish Air Corps was handed over by Mr. Bruno Spagnolini, AgustaWestland’s Managing Director to Brigadier General James, General Officer Commanding, Irish Air Corps, in the presence of Major General Pat Nash, Deputy Chief of Staff (Operations), Irish Defence Forces, at Vergiate in Italy.
This handover also marks the first delivery of an AW139 to a military customer.
Flying training of Air Corps pilots will continue until late October, when the second helicopter will be handed over.
The AW139 helicopters for the Irish Air Corps are equipped with a range of role equipment including AM/FM tactical radios, a Forward Looking Infra-Red (FLIR) camera with a fifth cockpit LCD mission display.
In the cabin the aircraft can be quickly reconfigured from the troop transport role with ten crashworthy troop seats to the medical evacuation role with air ambulance equipment plus seats for attendants. Additional role equipment includes abseiling and fast rope systems as well as a dual machine gun installation.
The AW139 was selected by the Irish Department of Defence in December 2004, after a full evaluation of the aircraft against several competitors. Soon after a contract was signed for four aircraft plus two options.
The Irish Air Corps will use the aircraft for a range of duties including transport of special operation units of the Defence Forces, air ambulance, overland search and rescue and VIP transport.
AW say over 190 AW139s have been ordered, over 40 have now been delivered to Europe, Asia, Africa, North America and the Middle East.
This handover also marks the first delivery of an AW139 to a military customer.
Flying training of Air Corps pilots will continue until late October, when the second helicopter will be handed over.
The AW139 helicopters for the Irish Air Corps are equipped with a range of role equipment including AM/FM tactical radios, a Forward Looking Infra-Red (FLIR) camera with a fifth cockpit LCD mission display.
In the cabin the aircraft can be quickly reconfigured from the troop transport role with ten crashworthy troop seats to the medical evacuation role with air ambulance equipment plus seats for attendants. Additional role equipment includes abseiling and fast rope systems as well as a dual machine gun installation.
The AW139 was selected by the Irish Department of Defence in December 2004, after a full evaluation of the aircraft against several competitors. Soon after a contract was signed for four aircraft plus two options.
The Irish Air Corps will use the aircraft for a range of duties including transport of special operation units of the Defence Forces, air ambulance, overland search and rescue and VIP transport.
AW say over 190 AW139s have been ordered, over 40 have now been delivered to Europe, Asia, Africa, North America and the Middle East.