Cruel Irony dept.
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Cruel Irony dept.
FAA says 2 in helicopter crash were FAA safety inspectors - CNN.com
FAA safety inspector dies as copter hits house
The most important inspection is the one you didnt do.
FAA safety inspector dies as copter hits house
The most important inspection is the one you didnt do.
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It's not irony mate. It's tragedy. Accidents can happen to anybody in aviation, which is why standards have to be so high. I can't see a humour element!
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Well if your loss in an accident was passed off by some anonymous fool as 'irony', you perhaps would feel slightly insulted, if you weren't so dead. Don't such remarks reek to you of 'bad taste'? Do you really have to go public with such comments? How do you think their families and colleagues (some of whom are very possibly likely to look here) will feel about the loss of their loved ones being spoken about so? 'High horse'? 'Respect' is a better word, and you are showing little here to them.
I hope this thread might soon be consigned to where it belongs.
I hope this thread might soon be consigned to where it belongs.
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Have to agree, at least partly, with Rainboe here. Whether they were inspectors or not is irrelevant, particularly as the cause of the accident is apparently unknown. Being a safety inspector doesn't make you immune to mechanical (or human) failure.
The original poster is implying that the crash was caused by an act of omission on the inspector's part, which as far as I can see has yet to be established.
The original poster is implying that the crash was caused by an act of omission on the inspector's part, which as far as I can see has yet to be established.
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oh no, the moral police are on duty again
The implication is not one of blame it is IRONY that someone who spends their life preventing others from dying in an aviation accident should die in an aviation accident.
Irony isn't humour, hence the phrase 'Ironic humour'
The implication is not one of blame it is IRONY that someone who spends their life preventing others from dying in an aviation accident should die in an aviation accident.
Irony isn't humour, hence the phrase 'Ironic humour'
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Sounds to me as if the silly beggar has gobbed off without knowing what irony really means.
irony, .....discrepancy between the actual and the expected state of affairs; a contradictory or ill-timed outcome of events as if in mockery of the fitness of things.
(New Shorter OED)
"Sometimes it is better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"
(Mark Twain)
irony, .....discrepancy between the actual and the expected state of affairs; a contradictory or ill-timed outcome of events as if in mockery of the fitness of things.
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"Sometimes it is better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"
(Mark Twain)
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An accident is often preceded by a chain of unexpected events leading to the calamitous loss of the aircraft.
Hence we have accident investigation to provide the facts leading up to the event which in turn can be used for safety training leading to the prevention of the same said circumstances leading up to the accident.
Learn from the mistakes of others as you don't have time to make them all yourself.
The fact that these pilots were investigators is not 'ironic' it just shows that these sad events can occur to even the most experienced and prepared of aviators.
Perhaps though this could be a salient lesson to all those pilot managers who think they are more prepared for emergencies even though they fly far less than the line swines as they read all the incident reports?
Hence we have accident investigation to provide the facts leading up to the event which in turn can be used for safety training leading to the prevention of the same said circumstances leading up to the accident.
Learn from the mistakes of others as you don't have time to make them all yourself.
The fact that these pilots were investigators is not 'ironic' it just shows that these sad events can occur to even the most experienced and prepared of aviators.
Perhaps though this could be a salient lesson to all those pilot managers who think they are more prepared for emergencies even though they fly far less than the line swines as they read all the incident reports?
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Agaricus bisporus, beat me to it. Humour it can be as high lighted below. The original poster does not make clear his intent with the use of the word, though I side on the humour definition. With you on this one Rainboe, 
tasteless.
i·ro·ny (r-n, r-)
n. pl. i·ro·nies
1.
a. The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.
b. An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning.
c. A literary style employing such contrasts for humorous or rhetorical effect.
2.
a. Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs:
tasteless.i·ro·ny (r-n, r-)
n. pl. i·ro·nies
1.
a. The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.
b. An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning.
c. A literary style employing such contrasts for humorous or rhetorical effect.
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a. Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs:
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Statistics don't do irony
As has been said, in a purely pedantic sense, this incident was ironic but from a statistical point of view these FAA inspectors faced approximately the same risk of failure to their aircraft as any similarly legally maintained aircraft of that type with the same hours on all components.
As to whether it was tasteful to raise the subject, well taste is a subjective issue.
As an aside, I am not a heli pilot but as a humble fixed wing PPL I know that I am always most conscious of the possibility of aircraft failure immediately before maintenance and immediately afterwards as well.
It that ironic? No, just good sense in my book!
As to whether it was tasteful to raise the subject, well taste is a subjective issue.
As an aside, I am not a heli pilot but as a humble fixed wing PPL I know that I am always most conscious of the possibility of aircraft failure immediately before maintenance and immediately afterwards as well.
It that ironic? No, just good sense in my book!
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I don't often post here as you know as I am Media/SLF and would get carpeted by the prof pilots here.
Reading this forum is great entertainment in the main, it is sooo funny watching you guys and girls bicker like school children.
The reason for posting today is I simply cannot believe that you wasted so much energy over an initial post that is clearly ironic. Unless you are of course German. Or Dutch.
The differences of opinion you have amazes me. Even on technical matters, you all seem to take great pleasure in bagging the crap out of each other.
You guys are a worry.
I just have to ask, do you guys all hate each other? Or is the required ego to fly a passenger aircraft too large to get on with folks generally...
Reading this forum is great entertainment in the main, it is sooo funny watching you guys and girls bicker like school children.
The reason for posting today is I simply cannot believe that you wasted so much energy over an initial post that is clearly ironic. Unless you are of course German. Or Dutch.
The differences of opinion you have amazes me. Even on technical matters, you all seem to take great pleasure in bagging the crap out of each other.
You guys are a worry.
I just have to ask, do you guys all hate each other? Or is the required ego to fly a passenger aircraft too large to get on with folks generally...
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Reading this forum is great entertainment in the main
You guys are a worry
is the required ego to fly a passenger aircraft too large
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Rainbow, whatever happened to the notion of humour being made in order to deal with tradgedy. Its how many of us lesser humans get by, it works, is fine mentally, its like the jokes about teacher burnout with the shuttle, the jokers were not unaffected it was their way of processing it.
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c. A literary style employing such contrasts for humorous or rhetorical effect.
2.
a. Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs:
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a. Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs:
The quote above indicates just two of several types of irony, and the first, the literary style, is clearly not relevant here. Helicopter accidents are nothing whatsoever to do with literary style - what a bizarre suggestion!
The second defiition however is the one that does apply; the apparent incongruity between safety inspectors going flying and then having an accident. You wouldn't question the irony of a health and safety herbert falling off his doorstep, would you?
ie a perfectly logical, accurate and acceptable use of the word "ironic".
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I have to agree with JST on this one. It is clearly ironic that a poor bloke who spends his life trying to make things safer loses his life in the very subject of his labours. It is a tragedy also, and I agree with RAINBOW (to a degree) that there is some implied pleasure by the poster.
Still if we did not try to see something humerous in all tragedies, just to keep us sane, none of us would probably get airborne.
Having said all that the backstabbing and sniping does not give a very good impression of the authors posting here and yes, maybe some EGOs are so big that the real message (That it is first and foremost a tragedy) is lost whilst the EGOs clash over the meaning of a word, or the implied meaning of someones ill-thought-out posting.
I think it is therefore far significant that the likes of a journalist can see the IRONY in some of the above posts that imply serious character defects in a workgroup that is supposed to be lauded for its stability, CRM, and general all round good-eggedness (not sure if that is a real word).
If someone makes a bit of a booboo, surely a gently chastisment would suffice, rather than the holier than thou lambastments that seem to be a feature of these types of thread.
But, most of all, the thread is about a terrible tradegy!!!!!!
Still if we did not try to see something humerous in all tragedies, just to keep us sane, none of us would probably get airborne.
Having said all that the backstabbing and sniping does not give a very good impression of the authors posting here and yes, maybe some EGOs are so big that the real message (That it is first and foremost a tragedy) is lost whilst the EGOs clash over the meaning of a word, or the implied meaning of someones ill-thought-out posting.
I think it is therefore far significant that the likes of a journalist can see the IRONY in some of the above posts that imply serious character defects in a workgroup that is supposed to be lauded for its stability, CRM, and general all round good-eggedness (not sure if that is a real word).
If someone makes a bit of a booboo, surely a gently chastisment would suffice, rather than the holier than thou lambastments that seem to be a feature of these types of thread.
But, most of all, the thread is about a terrible tradegy!!!!!!
I don't find the accident ironic at all, but I was more concerned with cessnapuppy's last sentence:
Uhh, did I miss something? Because in *none* of the reports I've read on this accident was there any speculation as to the cause.
It's bad enough when helicopters crash. It's worse when people die in them.
The most important inspection is the one you didnt do.
It's bad enough when helicopters crash. It's worse when people die in them.
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You can't deny insanity or irony for that matter.
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Oh come on, you falling for the biggest Catch 22 trap of all time, a bit like the judge asking the man accused of wife beating, "so when did you stop beating your wife?"
Pilots, even commercial ones, are no more or less filled with pomposity and ego than the general population, including, dare I say it, journalists.
No irony intended, honest!
think it is therefore far significant that the likes of a journalist can see the IRONY in some of the above posts that imply serious character defects in a workgroup that is supposed to be lauded for its stability, CRM, and general all round good-eggedness (not sure if that is a real word).
Pilots, even commercial ones, are no more or less filled with pomposity and ego than the general population, including, dare I say it, journalists.
No irony intended, honest!