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Pure supposition now, but looking at that hedge in the Daily Mail article, it's neatly pruned on Mrs Pringle's side but obviously has been trimmed to a certain height. Now I wonder which household is responsible for this hedge, and if there has been a dispute recently where the hedge has had to be trimmed on council orders. This might account for her bitterness towards Mr Nash, but as I said, pure speculation on my part.
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If we're gonna speculate I wonder why Mr Nash has put a helipad 'H' on his lawn. To irritate the old lady even more?
VfrpilotPB/2 makes a lotta sense.
We love helicopters. Not everyone does especially when they frequently land that close to their houses. Making enemies when you dont need to is stupid.
Maybe the old lady should suggest the IRS investigates whether HeliHire is genuinely a trading company or a tax fiddle?
If we're gonna speculate I wonder why Mr Nash has put a helipad 'H' on his lawn. To irritate the old lady even more?
VfrpilotPB/2 makes a lotta sense.
We love helicopters. Not everyone does especially when they frequently land that close to their houses. Making enemies when you dont need to is stupid.
Maybe the old lady should suggest the IRS investigates whether HeliHire is genuinely a trading company or a tax fiddle?
What's wrong with an "H" as an aiming mark to assist in the safety of the operation?
I see that as a sign of trying to do things as safely as possible.
A low blow to suggest turning the "Tax Man" loose on your neighbor.....that is worse than burning his house down around his ears in my view!
But what else could we expect from a "Damn Yankee" from New York!
I see that as a sign of trying to do things as safely as possible.
A low blow to suggest turning the "Tax Man" loose on your neighbor.....that is worse than burning his house down around his ears in my view!
But what else could we expect from a "Damn Yankee" from New York!
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Now now Sassy, we're not all bad.
I support the idea of landing in my back yard....
Personally though I'd be concerned if my aircraft would still be there if I landed in Central Park and left it for a few hours
I support the idea of landing in my back yard....
Personally though I'd be concerned if my aircraft would still be there if I landed in Central Park and left it for a few hours
Birddog,
I am loathe to travel north of Richmond....Virginia except to visit Marse Robert's old home in Arlington!
While sat on a wall at the Cemetery in Gettysburg where Abe gave that speech....busload of folks from down by Thoirty-Thoid Street and the Bawlpak....wandered down my way. They were commenting about the grand tribute all those grave markers were to the gallant sacrifice of the Union dead. They were not amused when I suggested I saw it as fitting tribute to Southern Marksmanship!
I am loathe to travel north of Richmond....Virginia except to visit Marse Robert's old home in Arlington!
While sat on a wall at the Cemetery in Gettysburg where Abe gave that speech....busload of folks from down by Thoirty-Thoid Street and the Bawlpak....wandered down my way. They were commenting about the grand tribute all those grave markers were to the gallant sacrifice of the Union dead. They were not amused when I suggested I saw it as fitting tribute to Southern Marksmanship!
Self inflicted?
Thing is, for decades it has been known that NOTAR (Coandă effect) helicopters are quieter than other types but this is apparently of exactly no significance to the purchasers or operators.
I can clearly recall noticing a London HEMS MD900 machine for the first time and being astonished how quiet it was - I had no idea what was going on, I noticed a helicopter but it was simply unreasonably quite. A bit of googling later I discovered the explanation. As long as owners and operators choose unnecesarily noisy equipment then you should be prepared to pay the price by being denied access. If *you* sort yourselves out then fewer problems may result.
Obviously, I doubt that very many readers here will be interested in these views, however I suspect that in the long term that it will be your loss.
When I am Dictator, I will ban all tail rotor helicopters from populated areas.
I can clearly recall noticing a London HEMS MD900 machine for the first time and being astonished how quiet it was - I had no idea what was going on, I noticed a helicopter but it was simply unreasonably quite. A bit of googling later I discovered the explanation. As long as owners and operators choose unnecesarily noisy equipment then you should be prepared to pay the price by being denied access. If *you* sort yourselves out then fewer problems may result.
Obviously, I doubt that very many readers here will be interested in these views, however I suspect that in the long term that it will be your loss.
When I am Dictator, I will ban all tail rotor helicopters from populated areas.
"landing 40 feet from her kitchen window"
What are the rules regarding how close we can land with permission of landowner but in close proximity to another property?
Mickjoebill
What are the rules regarding how close we can land with permission of landowner but in close proximity to another property?
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Ahh, JimJim, that almost seems like Trolling. I'm sure that if Mrs Miggins (may as well keep the funny names coming) could afford to buy and run an MD900, then she would not be flying around in the 269.
Did you write that post, or did your butler do it for you?
Did you write that post, or did your butler do it for you?
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jimjim, you are rather pre-supposing that the operator or owner has a vast choice of NOTAR aircraft from which to choose. There are only a couple of MOTAR helicopters and those are at the high end of the market.
So maybe when you're Dictator, you should force the manufacturers and deisgners to produce cheap and reliable NOTAR models, then the consumer would have a genuine choice.
Cheers
Whirls
So maybe when you're Dictator, you should force the manufacturers and deisgners to produce cheap and reliable NOTAR models, then the consumer would have a genuine choice.
Cheers
Whirls
Darn, if my current Dictator hears of this.....we will have yet another emergency crisis program for him to add to his growing list of imperatives!
But....would this be change I can believe in?
But....would this be change I can believe in?
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Right head right above the parapet.
I earn my living as a helicopter pilot, I live 1100m from this landing site inthe next vllage. I have no problem wih either the 269 or R44 which I have seen and heard landing, I just wonder why the pilots have taken little notice of the BHAB code of good conduct. I Have never met any of the people named in the articles, but I am irritated by the lack of airmanship and good "neighbourliness" I have witnessed on the part of the pilots concerned.
They seem incapable of going straight to their site without telling the rest of us they have arrived. I do get thoroughly p***ed off when I go into my local pub to be interrogated about whether what is going on is either legal or safe and whether it is one of my pilots.
Helicopter pilots have a duy of care to fly in the most considerate manner possible, I suggest that this has not been the case here. Maybe some basic human decency towards Mrs Pringle could save a lot of grief for the rest of us who have to earn a living from helicopters and are used to flying with the utmost care for the public in mind. (interestingly I can find no records of Heli-Hire with the CAA anywhere)
I earn my living as a helicopter pilot, I live 1100m from this landing site inthe next vllage. I have no problem wih either the 269 or R44 which I have seen and heard landing, I just wonder why the pilots have taken little notice of the BHAB code of good conduct. I Have never met any of the people named in the articles, but I am irritated by the lack of airmanship and good "neighbourliness" I have witnessed on the part of the pilots concerned.
They seem incapable of going straight to their site without telling the rest of us they have arrived. I do get thoroughly p***ed off when I go into my local pub to be interrogated about whether what is going on is either legal or safe and whether it is one of my pilots.
Helicopter pilots have a duy of care to fly in the most considerate manner possible, I suggest that this has not been the case here. Maybe some basic human decency towards Mrs Pringle could save a lot of grief for the rest of us who have to earn a living from helicopters and are used to flying with the utmost care for the public in mind. (interestingly I can find no records of Heli-Hire with the CAA anywhere)
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In Switzerland, for private flights, the rule is that you can basically land wherever you want (with that annual permission you get for a few bucks), but not more often than twice a month at the same location.
I always assumed that the reason for this was to avoid exactly these kind of problems that Mrs Pringle has, and to avoid some private pilot setting up a private helipad in his garden for daily use.
I find that Swiss approach a very reasonable solution. At least better than Germany, where landing outside an airport for a private flight ends with the pilot being handcuffed
I always assumed that the reason for this was to avoid exactly these kind of problems that Mrs Pringle has, and to avoid some private pilot setting up a private helipad in his garden for daily use.
I find that Swiss approach a very reasonable solution. At least better than Germany, where landing outside an airport for a private flight ends with the pilot being handcuffed
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Good post. Good points.
Nobody likes Nimbies but when I saw how close the helicopter lands to her house I had a lotta sympathy for the old lady.
If it was just a very rare event that would be different.
The pilot comes across as arrogant and her friend she visits is no better.
Being inconsiderate to neighbors is stupid as well as selfish because it damages our cause.
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Good post. Good points.
Nobody likes Nimbies but when I saw how close the helicopter lands to her house I had a lotta sympathy for the old lady.
If it was just a very rare event that would be different.
The pilot comes across as arrogant and her friend she visits is no better.
Being inconsiderate to neighbors is stupid as well as selfish because it damages our cause.
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I cant tell from the photo if the house is doubled glazed...
If it isn't, how would the press and public respond to a large group of sympathetic pilots pitching in to double glaze the front of the old dears property...
Would help keep her warm in winter too.....
Mickjoebill
I cant tell from the photo if the house is doubled glazed...
If it isn't, how would the press and public respond to a large group of sympathetic pilots pitching in to double glaze the front of the old dears property...
Would help keep her warm in winter too.....
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Got to agree with Bronx and Vertical hold on this one.
A little common sense and courtesy is missing from the pilot.
I remember my instructor telling me to avoid a farm as much as I could that was on the approach to the local airfield, as the farmer got p1ssed when helis flew over it. "Although he can't really do anything about the flights over his land it's always better to live with your neighbours than butt up against them................plus he owns a shotgun"
A little common sense and courtesy is missing from the pilot.
I remember my instructor telling me to avoid a farm as much as I could that was on the approach to the local airfield, as the farmer got p1ssed when helis flew over it. "Although he can't really do anything about the flights over his land it's always better to live with your neighbours than butt up against them................plus he owns a shotgun"
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The paddock behind the gardens looks fairly big and down to hay, couldn't they get permission to clear an heli-pad there, say 100yards away from the houses?
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Got to agree with Bronx and Vertical hold on this one.
and looking at the windsock / flag and also the branches on the trees I'd suggest that the goodly neighbour cops a fair downdraft of noise an' all whenever madam pilot picks up and puts a bit of pedal in to climb away into wind over the trees to the right hand side of the pic.
farmer bloggs's hay paddock should make a good pad, just remember to cut the oats there back a good bit first. There's quite a few 269's in central oz that burnt in long grass.
IMHO that madam pilot got her photo in the paper?????????????????????? five seconds of etc, etc.
- I don't know...that LZ looks awfully close to the neighbor's house...you have to sympathize with the cranky old dingbat at least a little.
- But imagine if it was a 47 landing there instead of that (relatively) quiet 269? Holy cow.
- When I fly, I always assume that the people down below me *hate* the sound of helicopters. I'd rather be wrong about that than assume the reverse and be wrong about that.