The end of the J-visa.
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I'm under the impression that North Sea operators hire only guys/gals with 1,000 of helo time. Getting a US commercial and instrument rating only takes about 200 hours. How will they get the other 800 flight hours?
(Under JAA, a modular CPL course in min time will complete at 185hrs and the IR is a further 50hrs).
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FROM FLemplymentLawBlog.com
In a July 11, 2008 statement of policy (73 Fed. Reg. 40008), the U.S. Department of State (“USDOS”) notified the public that effective June 1, 2010, it will exercise its authority under 22 C.F.R. § 62.62 to terminate the J program designations of all eight sponsors of J-1 flight training programs, having determined these programs “no longer further the public diplomacy mission of the Department of State.” USDOS, however, noted that all eight flight training programs are also designated in the M-1 category.
The flight training sponsors will continue to have obligations to their exchange visitors pursuant to 22 CFR 62.63: they must fulfill their responsibilities to all exchange visitors who are in the United States at the time of their program termination until the individual’s exchange program is completed. Also, sponsors must notify prospective exchange visitors who have not yet entered the United States that the program has been terminated. Sponsors will have access to SEVIS to manage their existing program participants, but will not be able to initiate new programs after December 31, 2009.
In a July 11, 2008 statement of policy (73 Fed. Reg. 40008), the U.S. Department of State (“USDOS”) notified the public that effective June 1, 2010, it will exercise its authority under 22 C.F.R. § 62.62 to terminate the J program designations of all eight sponsors of J-1 flight training programs, having determined these programs “no longer further the public diplomacy mission of the Department of State.” USDOS, however, noted that all eight flight training programs are also designated in the M-1 category.
The flight training sponsors will continue to have obligations to their exchange visitors pursuant to 22 CFR 62.63: they must fulfill their responsibilities to all exchange visitors who are in the United States at the time of their program termination until the individual’s exchange program is completed. Also, sponsors must notify prospective exchange visitors who have not yet entered the United States that the program has been terminated. Sponsors will have access to SEVIS to manage their existing program participants, but will not be able to initiate new programs after December 31, 2009.
Bravo73,
Well, those guys who can spare cash for JAA IR(H) and still do JAA CPL will not have problems thanks to aviation J1 demise. They'd be just fine on M1.
Ivor,
Didn't know it's that small numbers. It says something about success (and wealth) of Bristow Academy grads so that they are not 'forced' to instruct in the UK.
If I could get JAA FI (not counting the theory crunching) with the hours to instruct in the US (even 200TT heli for Robbies SFAR thingy) and come back to UK to instruct, I'd go for it straight away.
I think that those 250 hours req to start rotary JAA FI is like and orphaned child of fixed wing regulations in a way. Sure, more hours more experience, so then why FAA heli training system isn't crumbling?
Those extra hours (to start FI rating) plus JAA FI means around 280+ AFAIK. I'm sure there's more folks thinking the same.
Hence the need for instructing in the US due to limited budget. If successful, then they don't need to instruct in the UK when back.
Catch-22, really.
To save longer to instruct in the UK and delay career by couple years or do it as fast as possible on J1.
I wish I could be in position to 'give up completely' after CPL papers etc without the need, ie lost medical etc. That must be the guys who get wad of cash the easy way and/or find flying isn't about 'looking cool'. Others have to save for years to get there - they already decided.
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Direct link to PDF on NAFSA web
NAFSA article on the matter
The link above from FLemploymentLawBlog.com also has one comment just made after I posted article. It has detailed 'opinion' why it's going to end.
To make the story short, it's not about overstaying boozers or other classes of J1. It's about Patriot Act and DHS and DOS differences on who should do extra paperwork 'overseeing' J1 flight training program. That the business loss to some J1 'dependent' schools is not considered as since there's not that many J1 flight students a year, so it QUOTE 'benefits few people'.
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NAFSA article on the matter
The link above from FLemploymentLawBlog.com also has one comment just made after I posted article. It has detailed 'opinion' why it's going to end.
To make the story short, it's not about overstaying boozers or other classes of J1. It's about Patriot Act and DHS and DOS differences on who should do extra paperwork 'overseeing' J1 flight training program. That the business loss to some J1 'dependent' schools is not considered as since there's not that many J1 flight students a year, so it QUOTE 'benefits few people'.
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Could someone clarify
Just reading through the posts and you can read it two ways -
"No more visas will be issued after June 2010"
or
"In June 2010, J1 visas will be terminated regardless of time left"
Does someone know which one it is?
It seems silly to me that someone could apply for a J1 visa in say Jan 2010 and then only get 5 months on it!
"No more visas will be issued after June 2010"
or
"In June 2010, J1 visas will be terminated regardless of time left"
Does someone know which one it is?
It seems silly to me that someone could apply for a J1 visa in say Jan 2010 and then only get 5 months on it!
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"In June 2010, J1 visas will be terminated regardless of time left"
If it seems too silly, then it probably isn't so. Slow down, digest the info.
The links I included (for the PPRuNers' info) say it all.
It's not hot topic anymore with me whinging about it and posting all the links..
Expect high demand last months before deadline so the chosen school might fill their own/however decided cap for the number of new or total J1 students. I'm sure some FW Florida schools won't mind couple extra students and the studs won't mind bit less flying/slots in exchange for being safely in.
If you got the plans to do J1 and have all the funding, do it rather earlier than later.
I'll quote my quote from quoting the quote elsewhere
to clarify in plain-ish English
The flight training sponsors will continue to have obligations to their exchange visitors pursuant to 22 CFR 62.63: they must fulfill their responsibilities to all exchange visitors who are in the United States at the time of their program termination until the individual’s exchange program is completed.
Also, sponsors must notify prospective exchange visitors who have not yet entered the United States that the program has been terminated.
Sponsors will have access to SEVIS to manage their existing program participants, but will not be able to initiate new programs after December 31, 2009.
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I'm not sure if i have understood this correct, but it seems as they will take away the old J1 visa and make it easier to get the new M1 which is almost the same as the J1.
AOPA Online: Foreign flight students get alternative to J-1 visa
AOPA Online: Foreign flight students get alternative to J-1 visa
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"almost the same"???!
- 1 year vs. 2 years duration
- no work experience for the visa holder and no work permit for his/her spouse (!)
...but the M-1 is certainly enough to get 250 hours to start in the north sea.
- 1 year vs. 2 years duration
- no work experience for the visa holder and no work permit for his/her spouse (!)
...but the M-1 is certainly enough to get 250 hours to start in the north sea.
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Just to correct this, it says " the Department of Homeland Security said that it will create a new visa category, M, to replace the J-1 visa"
So it is not the M1 as i said. It will be a new M visa, so lets say M2.
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Eikido
So it is not the M1 as i said. It will be a new M visa, so lets say M2.
Regards
Eikido
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Just to correct this, it says " the Department of Homeland Security said that it will create a new visa category, M, to replace the J-1 visa"
So it is not the M1 as i said. It will be a new M visa, so lets say M2.
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Eikido
So it is not the M1 as i said. It will be a new M visa, so lets say M2.
Regards
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“As things currently stand, the M visa will have all of the characteristics of the J-1 visa, so our expectation is the transition should be seamless for students and flight schools.”
You guys forgot to quote the most important thing for heli pilots.
There is M visa class for vocational studies in the USA. I presume they'd create subclass of the current M1 (just like J1 is for aupairs, med PhDs, internships, summer work programmes, flight training as of now - it's all J1, just different duration and work authorisation...).
M2 is reality. It's for dependant of M1 holder (but the current M2 does not authorise dependant to work, unlike J2 - no limitations work permit, funny that).
If this becomes reality, it'll be great news for smaller schools (having or pursuing M1 options - being able to issue I-20s. It may as well be closer to F1 visas (language and academic studies) which allow 'on-campus' part-time work etc.
It may not please the big J1 schools too much as it'd bring more competition (Brits, Germans and Scandinavians could get more picky if they don't need JAA course right away), but I guess it's better than having only the current M1 options.
We'll see. My green card lottery entry already submitted this year.
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simondlh,
Look, don't wanna sound pessimistic, but you should think of other ways/options if you won't make it before it's gone. It's too 'insignificant' for DOS to bother with it and no other govt agency wants to bother. So let's just stop it,right? We'll get them some fluffy vague honeyed promises (to keep AOPA happy for the time being) and then we'll just 'forget'.
That's how I see it. Or is it still October?
It's about the will.
Phill77,
Wake up. Don't wanna talk politics, but it's bit wishful thinking, that all the changes to our 'cause' happen because of another face in WH.
Well, not for everyone (lucky ones). If I could throw enough cash for 250 hours and JAA FI rating on top (or hefty JAA IR(H) for NS without 1000TT), I would not need to bother with some J1, now would I?
It's rather about having 150 or 200h heli (R22 SFAR73) and getting some hours in logbook instructing.
Look, don't wanna sound pessimistic, but you should think of other ways/options if you won't make it before it's gone. It's too 'insignificant' for DOS to bother with it and no other govt agency wants to bother. So let's just stop it,right? We'll get them some fluffy vague honeyed promises (to keep AOPA happy for the time being) and then we'll just 'forget'.
That's how I see it. Or is it still October?
It's about the will.
Phill77,
Wake up. Don't wanna talk politics, but it's bit wishful thinking, that all the changes to our 'cause' happen because of another face in WH.
...but the M-1 is certainly enough to get 250 hours to start in the north sea.
It's rather about having 150 or 200h heli (R22 SFAR73) and getting some hours in logbook instructing.
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When does the J1 visa end ?
I had a look thru old posts on this website and alot of other ones as well and i still find it difficult to get any answers . I know the visa ends at the end of this year 2009 but what is june 2010 date about . Is it a done deal . All info on this subject is welcome
For all of you thinking, how about Canada?
I know of a place that is considering doing full Transport Canada CPL/IR AND JAR CPL, with a possible single engine IR.
No visa problems here, not as cheap as US, but cheaper than UK/Europe, and no problems getting on the schedule...
Cheers
W.
I know of a place that is considering doing full Transport Canada CPL/IR AND JAR CPL, with a possible single engine IR.
No visa problems here, not as cheap as US, but cheaper than UK/Europe, and no problems getting on the schedule...
Cheers
W.
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Winnie, you don't happen to work/be affiliated with such FTO, do you?
It would be interesting to see CHC buying off some good school and starting up Bristow Academy equivalent. There are options for some 'work experience' work permit after finishing CPL/CFI training. Plus many could use Working Holiday Visa aka '1 year open work permit' as per Canadian visa terms.
No doubt with USD/GBP 'killing us' when heading over/returning to the US, Canadian rates are becoming more interesting. So do NZ rates. Both countries more than fun for mountain flying.
whirlydude, since you don't bother reading up,
Dec 31 2009 last chance for school to issue DS form you need for visa appl at embassy/consulate.
June 2010, last chance to enter the US for the first time to 'activate' J visa. Otherwise royally stuffed.
HELOFAN,
Don't think so. I tried to find something on AOPA website recently. Only old 'news'. You know, these things take time. Long time.
It would be interesting to see CHC buying off some good school and starting up Bristow Academy equivalent. There are options for some 'work experience' work permit after finishing CPL/CFI training. Plus many could use Working Holiday Visa aka '1 year open work permit' as per Canadian visa terms.
No doubt with USD/GBP 'killing us' when heading over/returning to the US, Canadian rates are becoming more interesting. So do NZ rates. Both countries more than fun for mountain flying.
whirlydude, since you don't bother reading up,
Dec 31 2009 last chance for school to issue DS form you need for visa appl at embassy/consulate.
June 2010, last chance to enter the US for the first time to 'activate' J visa. Otherwise royally stuffed.
HELOFAN,
Don't think so. I tried to find something on AOPA website recently. Only old 'news'. You know, these things take time. Long time.
