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It seems that the video has been removed from You Tube, too much flak ??
From the point of a low hours pilot (me) the site is all wrong for a single with a PPL at the controls(if he/she is a PPL).
We don't all have thousands of hours and I,m sure we have all made a few mistakes but very few have had the fame of You Tube when said mistake takes place.
Jarvy
From the point of a low hours pilot (me) the site is all wrong for a single with a PPL at the controls(if he/she is a PPL).
We don't all have thousands of hours and I,m sure we have all made a few mistakes but very few have had the fame of You Tube when said mistake takes place.
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Gentlemen, they were more than likely friends of either the aircraft owner or the pilot.... as long as money didnt change hands for the flight its legal.
The Irish Heli scene is very strongly regulated by the IAA just look at the presence they had at the WRC last November, with all the relevant checks in place.
Illegal ops are as common in Europe and not just Ireland as stated
The Irish Heli scene is very strongly regulated by the IAA just look at the presence they had at the WRC last November, with all the relevant checks in place.
Illegal ops are as common in Europe and not just Ireland as stated
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The pilot would be unwise to give his side of what happened on here.
If the CAA are becoming interested, he would be best served by silence, so as to reduce any risks of prosecution.
The incident, which is still viewable on SkyNews website, looks very scary and almost fatal... but no more so than other things I have seen without attracting 8 pages of comment.
If I had done that, I would be in shock for a few weeks!
pvm
If the CAA are becoming interested, he would be best served by silence, so as to reduce any risks of prosecution.
The incident, which is still viewable on SkyNews website, looks very scary and almost fatal... but no more so than other things I have seen without attracting 8 pages of comment.
If I had done that, I would be in shock for a few weeks!
pvm
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There's a big difference between exposing an incident others can learn from and exposing the individual.
We don't need to know the reg of the helicopter or the ID of the pilot to learn from another guy's mistake.
B.
exposure like this has increased awareness and flight safety - however much you disagree with the method.
We don't need to know the reg of the helicopter or the ID of the pilot to learn from another guy's mistake.
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Well... on the one hand, exposure of incidents like this may educate pilots and help them avoid similar 'mishaps', on the the other hand, it re-enforces the myth that helicopters are dangerous and just go out of the control and crash at the drop of a hat.
I've lost count of the number of people/passengers who have asked me 'why do helicopters always crash?, aren't they dangerous? what happened to those Chelsea people/Colin McCrea etc?", it really frustrates me that the general public perceive helicopters like this.
I've lost count of the number of people/passengers who have asked me 'why do helicopters always crash?, aren't they dangerous? what happened to those Chelsea people/Colin McCrea etc?", it really frustrates me that the general public perceive helicopters like this.
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flungdung, why is the hydraulic theory (as put forth by chutedragger) b.s.? I find it eminently plausible that the pilot forgot to put the hydraulics back on after straightening out the pedals on the last shutdown. Then, when he unlocked the collective on this startup the thing leapt into the air sans control boost. I'm not saying that's what happened but it certainly seems like it could have happened.
If that's what happened -if- then the pilot doesn't deserve the heaps of **** piled on him by some. Anyone who's ever made a major mistake at the controls (that should include almost everyone -it certainly includes me) should be able to relate to such a faux pas.
With Youtube and camera phones everywhere we can look forward to a steady stream of questionable airmanship caught on tape. If we're going to call for the head of every pilot involved we'll be out of pilots pretty soon.
If that's what happened -if- then the pilot doesn't deserve the heaps of **** piled on him by some. Anyone who's ever made a major mistake at the controls (that should include almost everyone -it certainly includes me) should be able to relate to such a faux pas.
With Youtube and camera phones everywhere we can look forward to a steady stream of questionable airmanship caught on tape. If we're going to call for the head of every pilot involved we'll be out of pilots pretty soon.
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Dragman I agree with you
As an R44 ppl !!!!! The power of a B3 squirrel , pulling the lever a bit quick to get off the ground in a strong wind , panic , wrong pedel -because proper helicopters like R44's turn the other way could well be what happened?
Ps nice chicken sheds
As an R44 ppl !!!!! The power of a B3 squirrel , pulling the lever a bit quick to get off the ground in a strong wind , panic , wrong pedel -because proper helicopters like R44's turn the other way could well be what happened?
Ps nice chicken sheds
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Nutter?
Hey!!!! Everyone!!!! Whats wrong with you all?
Nothing happened here. The guy just decided to make the departure interesting and dance the B3 out of there. Squirrels do that with great ease. He was in full control! Why there is even mention of an investigation is beyond me. I often fly like that, for fun!
21lefthand, wait till you get to fly in a "proper" helicopter (such as those built in France and Russia) where the rotor turns clockwise - the right way round - and you'll never look back. The way the rotor turns doesn't matter anyway, just keep the nose straight!
The clip is still on the Skynews site. Looks like a helluva ride!!!
YEEEEE-HA!!!!
Nothing happened here. The guy just decided to make the departure interesting and dance the B3 out of there. Squirrels do that with great ease. He was in full control! Why there is even mention of an investigation is beyond me. I often fly like that, for fun!
21lefthand, wait till you get to fly in a "proper" helicopter (such as those built in France and Russia) where the rotor turns clockwise - the right way round - and you'll never look back. The way the rotor turns doesn't matter anyway, just keep the nose straight!
The clip is still on the Skynews site. Looks like a helluva ride!!!
YEEEEE-HA!!!!
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total sense of humour failure...!! 
Just thinking, a 9 page thread on this is getting a bit much? Yes maybe the hydraulics were off, whatever, the poor guy must have had the fright of his life, thankfully everyone survived. Life moves on, let it be. The only true mistakes are those from which no lessons are learnt.
Shooo, everybody, off you go. Go, go now! Go play!
Just thinking, a 9 page thread on this is getting a bit much? Yes maybe the hydraulics were off, whatever, the poor guy must have had the fright of his life, thankfully everyone survived. Life moves on, let it be. The only true mistakes are those from which no lessons are learnt.
Shooo, everybody, off you go. Go, go now! Go play!
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There will now be fewer pilots performing these kinds of stunts in public and maybe that will have saved some lives - and thereby help to improve the public perception of helicopter safety that these idiots destroy on a daily basis.
It's back on youtube, btw, the Internet never 'forgets',
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPfLBWrynSE
Hey!!!! Everyone!!!! Whats wrong with you all?
Nothing happened here. The guy just decided to make the departure interesting and dance the B3 out of there. Squirrels do that with great ease. He was in full control! Why there is even mention of an investigation is beyond me. I often fly like that, for fun!
!!
Nothing happened here. The guy just decided to make the departure interesting and dance the B3 out of there. Squirrels do that with great ease. He was in full control! Why there is even mention of an investigation is beyond me. I often fly like that, for fun!
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Chill oldbeefer, I was just joking. I dont really fly like that. Maybe the bride's dress got caught up in the controls, or her veil got wrapped around the pilots head. Anyway, they survived, lived to tell the tale, and bear the brunt of the criticism that follows.
Maybe the pilot, if he is aware of pprune, should put his side of what really happened here too. So we can all learn, without judging.
Maybe the pilot, if he is aware of pprune, should put his side of what really happened here too. So we can all learn, without judging.
Easy to say 'chill', but I've lost several friends who decided to 'put on a show'. They all speared in killing themselves and those with them. Think before you push the limits (and YOUR limits), that's my point! Have a safe Christmas everyone.
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Just seen the movie, over and over again ..
- What about this explanation for a change, the way I see what happens ..
Liftoff is fully controlled by pilot. Quite coordinated, note the heli doesn't start to turn about itself when it momentarily gets light on the skids just before complete liftoff (light on the skids looks for me to be when the airframe start to jiggle a bit just before liftoff and engine sound winds nicely up) ..
When force is being put into the blades (collective rises) without having coordination with the pedals, turning about itself while light on the skids is something I would expect to see if it wasn't fully controlled ..
If one take a 350 airborn like you do a R44 or any other sluggish helicopter, it will go very veeery fast airborn and not fairly gently like this - 350 is mentally flown, not by moving the controls like a R44 or B206 for that sake - it's a "Feel the force Luke" helicopter ..
Vertical climb while turning about itself is fully controlled. With hyd-off and a sudden liftoff I would expect to see a reward to the right going movement of the heli, since that's the position the cyclic of a 350 will force itself to move with approx. 21 kilos of force if I am remembering correct ..
The transition from vertical climb and at the same time turning about itself that goes into a forward movement while still turning about itself is somehow controlled and at least fully induced by the pilot, despite it doesn't look nicely coordinated (and now things start to go wrong for Mr./Mrs. Pilot). Its something I have only done in hoverheight and no strong winds and only seen a Pro like Dennis Kenyon do in the air OGE in a Schweizer ..
The now not so nicely coordinated turning about itself while moving ahead in the strong winds induces now more forcefull and probably some abrupt movements in the controls by the pilot, which after a full turn now result in a short momentarily hydraulic hardover and the nose suddenly pitches down for a moment. The pilot is now, and not before until now, in a real recovery situation (HYD is back online but pitch is severely down, cows a really BIG) caused by missing the 7 P's (Prior Proper Preperation Prevents Piss Poor Performance) and going beyond the pilots own skills ..
Just my five cents ..
- madman
- What about this explanation for a change, the way I see what happens ..
Liftoff is fully controlled by pilot. Quite coordinated, note the heli doesn't start to turn about itself when it momentarily gets light on the skids just before complete liftoff (light on the skids looks for me to be when the airframe start to jiggle a bit just before liftoff and engine sound winds nicely up) ..
When force is being put into the blades (collective rises) without having coordination with the pedals, turning about itself while light on the skids is something I would expect to see if it wasn't fully controlled ..
If one take a 350 airborn like you do a R44 or any other sluggish helicopter, it will go very veeery fast airborn and not fairly gently like this - 350 is mentally flown, not by moving the controls like a R44 or B206 for that sake - it's a "Feel the force Luke" helicopter ..
Vertical climb while turning about itself is fully controlled. With hyd-off and a sudden liftoff I would expect to see a reward to the right going movement of the heli, since that's the position the cyclic of a 350 will force itself to move with approx. 21 kilos of force if I am remembering correct ..
The transition from vertical climb and at the same time turning about itself that goes into a forward movement while still turning about itself is somehow controlled and at least fully induced by the pilot, despite it doesn't look nicely coordinated (and now things start to go wrong for Mr./Mrs. Pilot). Its something I have only done in hoverheight and no strong winds and only seen a Pro like Dennis Kenyon do in the air OGE in a Schweizer ..
The now not so nicely coordinated turning about itself while moving ahead in the strong winds induces now more forcefull and probably some abrupt movements in the controls by the pilot, which after a full turn now result in a short momentarily hydraulic hardover and the nose suddenly pitches down for a moment. The pilot is now, and not before until now, in a real recovery situation (HYD is back online but pitch is severely down, cows a really BIG) caused by missing the 7 P's (Prior Proper Preperation Prevents Piss Poor Performance) and going beyond the pilots own skills ..
Just my five cents ..
- madman
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Guys, My take on this incident (and that is all it was...)
Accelerated ratings due to a cash backlog.
Too many Subaru drivers with the freecash to acquire a ppl (h)
Every sandpit owner on the Island of Ireland has the wherewithal to acquire a PPL(H)
All have the fee's but have the sense. Passed the test, now I'm on my own, I'll do what I want...
Accelerated ratings due to a cash backlog.
Too many Subaru drivers with the freecash to acquire a ppl (h)
Every sandpit owner on the Island of Ireland has the wherewithal to acquire a PPL(H)
All have the fee's but have the sense. Passed the test, now I'm on my own, I'll do what I want...
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There has been 3 famous similar threads dealing with this type of flying . . . . .
- This AS350 Wedding Video(Although I have to admit on this latest one, the pilot was not just stupid, but also sucked at flying a helicopter, his poorly planned stunt almost got a few people killed)
- The Rod Tinney Affair (He Hit a Photographers Head with his Bell 412 while doing a low level turn as he was taking some skydivers up)
- And then the A119 Koala which I thought was beautiful, but a more than a few would have hung the pilot up by the gonads if they gotten their hands on him.
We should keep track of these public crucifictions . . . .
- This AS350 Wedding Video(Although I have to admit on this latest one, the pilot was not just stupid, but also sucked at flying a helicopter, his poorly planned stunt almost got a few people killed)
- The Rod Tinney Affair (He Hit a Photographers Head with his Bell 412 while doing a low level turn as he was taking some skydivers up)
- And then the A119 Koala which I thought was beautiful, but a more than a few would have hung the pilot up by the gonads if they gotten their hands on him.
We should keep track of these public crucifictions . . . .