UK CAA Fees Consultation
My post is aimed at everyone, if it reads that way I need to modify it.
Off to do so now.
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I've just looked at what i'd written (on the page linked to on the Griffin Site) and it does include
I am up for improvements but think its covered already, feel free to PM me and i'll change it if its necessary.
Off to do so now.
Edited to add
I've just looked at what i'd written (on the page linked to on the Griffin Site) and it does include
The natural side effect of closure or reduction of AOC operations will probably be a similar reduction in the availability of flying schools and training organisations, which several AOC holders also double as. This has clearly wide reaching effects on the UK helicopter industry as a whole and should encourage private pilots, engineers, indeed anyone connected with the industry to make comment to the CAA.
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The Gryphen site is clear
but some will not go there. Just my 2p worth the thread is very commercially orientated, private pilots might just think it wont affect us.
Have Sent PM
The Gryphen site is clear
but some will not go there. Just my 2p worth the thread is very commercially orientated, private pilots might just think it wont affect us. Have Sent PM
500e
I now understand what you meant, and yes we need to make a point on this thread.
THIS WILL NOT JUST AFFECT AOC OPERATIONS IT WILL AFFECT PRIVATE FLYING, COPRPORATE AND TRAINING
Almost all aspects of flying will be affected by this, less AOCs mean less businesses training and testing as often those organisations are one and the same, and without 2 or 3 revenue streams they may not survive.
Less flying will mean less engineering, and potentially a general downturn in the industry as a whole.
I hope I've been specific enough about this, I will have missed something out, but others will fill in the detail.
GS
I now understand what you meant, and yes we need to make a point on this thread.
THIS WILL NOT JUST AFFECT AOC OPERATIONS IT WILL AFFECT PRIVATE FLYING, COPRPORATE AND TRAINING
Almost all aspects of flying will be affected by this, less AOCs mean less businesses training and testing as often those organisations are one and the same, and without 2 or 3 revenue streams they may not survive.
Less flying will mean less engineering, and potentially a general downturn in the industry as a whole.
I hope I've been specific enough about this, I will have missed something out, but others will fill in the detail.
GS
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I don't think heliboy was ranting on CAA site, I agree that removing the canteen would not help, ( comments on a post card please) but the thought of 3 other lots is enough to scare everyone into submission.Why does government require the CAA to make a Profit as long as they break even surely this is all that is required, this is a regulatory body, not a for profit organisation
Ozymandias
You Make lots of good points particularly the bits about law making. My experience is that although the CAA may be involved with EASA they don't seem to have an overly loud voice and they encourage us (the pilots and companies) to make comments on the NPAs which will ultimately be embodied in EU law, on the same principle that we are asking everyone to get involved with this consultation process.
Organisations seem to have only one voice, and that one man (or woman) has one voice also and needs to stand and be counted as their vote is seen as just as important.
GS
You Make lots of good points particularly the bits about law making. My experience is that although the CAA may be involved with EASA they don't seem to have an overly loud voice and they encourage us (the pilots and companies) to make comments on the NPAs which will ultimately be embodied in EU law, on the same principle that we are asking everyone to get involved with this consultation process.
Organisations seem to have only one voice, and that one man (or woman) has one voice also and needs to stand and be counted as their vote is seen as just as important.
GS
Well if you think the UK government will help, that's a big old mistake. Just take a look at their plan to have the Damien Green affair investigated. Only allowing 3 hours for it. Want a majority of Labour MP's. Only after police have concluded their investigation, etc etc. This government appear so corrupt. The MP's in the commons are no better. Spineless whingeing old bastards! No-one would say tot eh speaker, face to face, that they wanted him out! What chance have we got to get them to be involved in costs with the CAA? NIL!!
It would appear that the CAA will raise costs. Many companies will call it a day. Costs will spiral and it is probably the death of GA as we know it in the UK. Serious? You bet.
As for the well established operators, ie Bond, Bristows, CHC, BIH, Harrods, Castle, et etc. Are they doing any lobbying? You might just see some of them going to a foreign AOC and using foreign/european CAA's.
I can't see where the UK CAA are going with this.
It would appear that the CAA will raise costs. Many companies will call it a day. Costs will spiral and it is probably the death of GA as we know it in the UK. Serious? You bet.
As for the well established operators, ie Bond, Bristows, CHC, BIH, Harrods, Castle, et etc. Are they doing any lobbying? You might just see some of them going to a foreign AOC and using foreign/european CAA's.
I can't see where the UK CAA are going with this.
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I'm a newby to this site and have just read this string. This kind of stuff makes my blood boil so I filled in the form - number 123. Seems to me this should have a zero on the end at least.
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Again can you forward this one out to anyone you can think of, Pilots, Engineers, Ops Managers, little Suzy the receptionist literally anyone!
Note if AOC Holders go out of Business then Training Schools, Maintenance Facilities and Pilots will all feel the effect.
ACT NOW.
DO NOT LEAVE IT TO OTHERS
YOUR VOICE COUNTS.
Only 2 Days Left And Then It Will Be Too Late.
Note if AOC Holders go out of Business then Training Schools, Maintenance Facilities and Pilots will all feel the effect.
ACT NOW.
DO NOT LEAVE IT TO OTHERS
YOUR VOICE COUNTS.
Only 2 Days Left And Then It Will Be Too Late.
Point taken Ozzy!
Just to put the record straight..I am a foam at the mouth nutter! I have to wear a Hockey mask when i fly to protect the punters but I can put a rational argument forward when I take my medicaion. My "Rant" was actually a small list of "Suggestions" and observations put into multi sylable sentances that put my points across in a calm and informed manor. "Rant" was just a term used here to indicate my mood with the whole situation.
The Glass house at the CAA Towers seems to be oblivious to the real world outside and what is actaully happening to the very real people in this country. People are losing their jobs in the thousands and they are being forced to economise and give more service than they have in the past for the same if not less price. The CAA seem (and that is the way it appears to me) content in continuing along without looking inwards at what they can do to save money and give better service with the resources they have. They simply dip into the pockets of aviation related souls around the country and blame it all on the government for telling them to make a profit.
Well done VeeNe for carrying yet another torch for us and doing more than most for the cause.
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Just to put the record straight..I am a foam at the mouth nutter! I have to wear a Hockey mask when i fly to protect the punters but I can put a rational argument forward when I take my medicaion. My "Rant" was actually a small list of "Suggestions" and observations put into multi sylable sentances that put my points across in a calm and informed manor. "Rant" was just a term used here to indicate my mood with the whole situation.
The Glass house at the CAA Towers seems to be oblivious to the real world outside and what is actaully happening to the very real people in this country. People are losing their jobs in the thousands and they are being forced to economise and give more service than they have in the past for the same if not less price. The CAA seem (and that is the way it appears to me) content in continuing along without looking inwards at what they can do to save money and give better service with the resources they have. They simply dip into the pockets of aviation related souls around the country and blame it all on the government for telling them to make a profit.
Well done VeeNe for carrying yet another torch for us and doing more than most for the cause.
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CAA Proposed Fees
I dont normally get over involved with PPRune but I hope that today many will read and digest my comments. AND ACT.
I am Glenn Curtis and I run a small AOC operation, the CAA Proposed fees will put untold pressure on ALL Helicopter operators if imposed and we have one last chance to voice our opinions, we have until this Friday (12th December) at the latest to make comment, after that it will be too late. Please do not waste time criticising the CAA, the BHAB or any other organisation, your time on this occasion will be far better spent if you simply take 10 minutes out of your day to log onto the CAA website and voice your concerns. It is simple, quick and may just have an effect. If everyone who makes a comment on Rotorheads makes a comment on the CAA site then it has to be noted as to how concerned we are. We need to get the numbers up. NOW.
Better still tell or ask everyone in your work environment to log on to the CAA site and voice their opinion, it concerns us all. If AOC operators start to go out of business due to these escalating costs then ultimately this will have a knock on effect to Flying Schools, Maintenance facilities, Pilots, Ops Staff, Flight Training Students and even the Hangar/Aircraft Cleaner. Get the Secretary, Student, Trainee CPL's, Tech Records Staff, EVERYONE to log on NOW and voice an opinion. Crash the ruddy site if we can. Talk to everyone you can in the next 24 hours and get them thinking and logging on to the CAA.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not let this last opportunity slip, do not leave it to others, do not think it will go away, do not think it has nothing to do with you. Be bothered and ACT NOW PLEASE.
Thanks & Good Luck.
I am Glenn Curtis and I run a small AOC operation, the CAA Proposed fees will put untold pressure on ALL Helicopter operators if imposed and we have one last chance to voice our opinions, we have until this Friday (12th December) at the latest to make comment, after that it will be too late. Please do not waste time criticising the CAA, the BHAB or any other organisation, your time on this occasion will be far better spent if you simply take 10 minutes out of your day to log onto the CAA website and voice your concerns. It is simple, quick and may just have an effect. If everyone who makes a comment on Rotorheads makes a comment on the CAA site then it has to be noted as to how concerned we are. We need to get the numbers up. NOW.
Better still tell or ask everyone in your work environment to log on to the CAA site and voice their opinion, it concerns us all. If AOC operators start to go out of business due to these escalating costs then ultimately this will have a knock on effect to Flying Schools, Maintenance facilities, Pilots, Ops Staff, Flight Training Students and even the Hangar/Aircraft Cleaner. Get the Secretary, Student, Trainee CPL's, Tech Records Staff, EVERYONE to log on NOW and voice an opinion. Crash the ruddy site if we can. Talk to everyone you can in the next 24 hours and get them thinking and logging on to the CAA.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not let this last opportunity slip, do not leave it to others, do not think it will go away, do not think it has nothing to do with you. Be bothered and ACT NOW PLEASE.
Thanks & Good Luck.
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0133. It seems rather sad that so few replies have been posted on the CAA website with only a short time left to go before closure of the consultation period.
Is it apathy in the industry or a blindness of those individuals involved who believe it will not affect "me" so I don't need to bother challenging the officialdom?
For those who believe the companies who employ them should make the representations, then think again. Today you may work for the big guys...... but tomorrow (with the economic climate) who knows. You may be looking for another job and those small businesses who will be very hard hit for their AOC just may not be there anymore to offer jobs.
Please - Everyone just spend 5 minutes and have a rant at the CAA
Is it apathy in the industry or a blindness of those individuals involved who believe it will not affect "me" so I don't need to bother challenging the officialdom?
For those who believe the companies who employ them should make the representations, then think again. Today you may work for the big guys...... but tomorrow (with the economic climate) who knows. You may be looking for another job and those small businesses who will be very hard hit for their AOC just may not be there anymore to offer jobs.
Please - Everyone just spend 5 minutes and have a rant at the CAA
I sincerely hope that a lot of the snake-oil merchants (and I don't exclude cabinet ministers from this), whose vanity and greed have contributed much to the current shambles, get their comeuppance, and that industry, and society as
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139 now. Having gone through this a year ago and succeeded in getting the proposed 300% increase in Rule 5 Exemption charges reduced to inflation-only, I quaked with fear that we were going to get more of same.
This time, sense prevailed - a Rule 5 will go up from £103 to £108.
But the AOC charges and the airfield charges are a big threat to the existence of GA in the UK.
This time, sense prevailed - a Rule 5 will go up from £103 to £108.
But the AOC charges and the airfield charges are a big threat to the existence of GA in the UK.
Hearsay (from one of the operators who says hes had it confirmed)
They are implementing the charges as proposed ! Although the CAA website still says awaiting CAA response.
They are implementing the charges as proposed ! Although the CAA website still says awaiting CAA response.
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Whats the point in operating public transport in this country ?? Lets all get a Polish AOC
First it was the death of Battersea. I used to go in at least once a week when the fees were a modest £120. At £550 I havent been for two years, and now this. Shame on you CAA
Like Norwich union you should change your name to something more fitting to your cause.
First it was the death of Battersea. I used to go in at least once a week when the fees were a modest £120. At £550 I havent been for two years, and now this. Shame on you CAA
Like Norwich union you should change your name to something more fitting to your cause.