UK CAA Fees Consultation
The CAA charges appear to be being implemented as proposed (officially now).
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/1807/SRG%2...ent%202008.pdf
It was duly noted that the helicopter industry will be adversely affected by it and commented on, lucky us
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A quote below from the document with my emboldening.
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/1807/SRG%2...ent%202008.pdf
It was duly noted that the helicopter industry will be adversely affected by it and commented on, lucky us
.A quote below from the document with my emboldening.
3 CAA Charges Consultation 2008 – CAA Response
CAA’s responses to the consultation
The CAA responses to the main points raised from within the submissions received are detailed below:
3.1 The effect of the AOC annual charge proposals in light of the current economic downturn will decimate the AOC helicopter industry.
The charge proposals included within the consultation document represent the continued transition to cost related charging, the principles of which were agreed and discussed at the time of the Costs and Charges Review1 and further developed when the ‘Next steps’ review was discussed and endorsed at the joint industry / CAA Safety Regulation Finance Advisory Committee. The 2009/10 charging proposals move the charges to 60% of the cost of undertaking the activity to oversee the AOC holder and are further supplemented by a concession for AOC holders within annual charge bands C2, E1 and F1, where the increase would be capped to no more than £1,000 per aircraft when compared to the 2008/09 annual charge.
The effect of these AOC proposals will see the cross subsidy within the AOC Scheme fall by £1.2m to £1.5m
CAA’s responses to the consultation
The CAA responses to the main points raised from within the submissions received are detailed below:
3.1 The effect of the AOC annual charge proposals in light of the current economic downturn will decimate the AOC helicopter industry.
The charge proposals included within the consultation document represent the continued transition to cost related charging, the principles of which were agreed and discussed at the time of the Costs and Charges Review1 and further developed when the ‘Next steps’ review was discussed and endorsed at the joint industry / CAA Safety Regulation Finance Advisory Committee. The 2009/10 charging proposals move the charges to 60% of the cost of undertaking the activity to oversee the AOC holder and are further supplemented by a concession for AOC holders within annual charge bands C2, E1 and F1, where the increase would be capped to no more than £1,000 per aircraft when compared to the 2008/09 annual charge.
The effect of these AOC proposals will see the cross subsidy within the AOC Scheme fall by £1.2m to £1.5m
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As expected the CAA supertanker continues on its doomed course. They seem to miss the point that their current strategy will lead to less, not more, revenue to themselves over time.
This then will require them to raise charges again, and another area of the UK aviation industry will fall away. Someone at the CAA needs to fight the DoT and the government with regard to the way they are funded.
I bet I could save them all the revenue they'll make from these reforms by making some changes to their underlying business costs!
Still, we do now have an answer as to why CPL license charges are that much higher. Apparently:
PPL - Back of a fag packet. CPL - A4 pad bought from W H Smiths! 
Time to move to an F reg I think....
This then will require them to raise charges again, and another area of the UK aviation industry will fall away. Someone at the CAA needs to fight the DoT and the government with regard to the way they are funded.
I bet I could save them all the revenue they'll make from these reforms by making some changes to their underlying business costs!
Still, we do now have an answer as to why CPL license charges are that much higher. Apparently:
While the procedure to issue a type rating for a helicopter CPL compared to a PPL is broadly the same, there are additional costs surrounding the policy development of the professional licence built into the professional charges that place the type rating charge for a CPL higher than that for a PPL.
Time to move to an F reg I think....
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Reading the responses of the CAA make me feel SICK
'They' don't care at all, why even have a consultation, it appears it was a done deal anyway.
As said before and also in other threads, GA in the UK (Europe) is doomed!
'They' don't care at all, why even have a consultation, it appears it was a done deal anyway.
As said before and also in other threads, GA in the UK (Europe) is doomed!
Wow...the penny has finally dropped I have seen this coming for a long time and that is why i have operated for the last 10 years without an aoc believe it or not quite happily and safely WITHOUT the help of the caa.....but WITH their knowledge and the knowledge of my insurance co .
The lease operations will take over from the aoc,s and the pilots who slagged them off will then be asking for jobs
All ad hoc and joy ride flying etc will just be a thing of the past and it will all be business and thereby taxed accordingly avoiding the huge extra duty on fuel . Of course the aoc,s could still show a little backbone and refuse to pay and save a slow painful death by a thousand cuts . Dont winge about the caa if you are not going to do anything to stop them . Do something or just shut up about their charges
I have seen this coming for a long time and that is why i have operated for the last 10 years without an aoc believe it or not quite happily and safely WITHOUT the help of the caa.....but WITH their knowledge and the knowledge of my insurance co .The lease operations will take over from the aoc,s and the pilots who slagged them off will then be asking for jobs
All ad hoc and joy ride flying etc will just be a thing of the past and it will all be business and thereby taxed accordingly avoiding the huge extra duty on fuel . Of course the aoc,s could still show a little backbone and refuse to pay and save a slow painful death by a thousand cuts . Dont winge about the caa if you are not going to do anything to stop them . Do something or just shut up about their charges
Bha Secures Important Concession In Caa Fees And Charges Consultation
An extract from a BHA communication received today.
Good News for some of us 
Responding to industry concerns, the BHA sought to simplify the current AOC Charging Regime banding structure as applied to onshore helicopter operators by the CAA. The first step was to comment on the structure in a response to the recent CAA Consultation on its Fees and Charges Proposals for the financial year 2011 -12. Following this response, the Chairman and CEO met with Mr Andrew Haines at CAA House for a further discussion on the matter. Whilst we had secured a minor change to the banding structure in 2006, it had become clear that the existing charges step change for an operator in Bands E or F moving from four aircraft to five presented an unwarranted additional charge that acted as a disincentive to expansion and flexibility.
I am delighted to advise you now that the CAA has reviewed the situation and has secured Board approval for a change as detailed in the extract from Finance Advisory Committee papers reproduced below.
Following representations made by the British Helicopter Association, the CAA have further reviewed the AOC annual charging structure bands for both multi-engine onshore helicopter (E Band) and single-engine helicopter (F Band) operators.
The revised banding structure extends the current E1 band to 10 aircraft with the current F1 band being extended to 20 aircraft
I am delighted to advise you now that the CAA has reviewed the situation and has secured Board approval for a change as detailed in the extract from Finance Advisory Committee papers reproduced below.
Following representations made by the British Helicopter Association, the CAA have further reviewed the AOC annual charging structure bands for both multi-engine onshore helicopter (E Band) and single-engine helicopter (F Band) operators.
The revised banding structure extends the current E1 band to 10 aircraft with the current F1 band being extended to 20 aircraft
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Just had the AOC Charges through for next year .
Funnily enough the widening of band E1 to include 0-10 Aircraft now takes you out of the 60-65% of target fee band and into the 108.3% (or +200 per a/c) charge .
Net result AOC charges are up by 7.9%
hope it didn't cost too much for the BHAB to complain as it has made no difference at all
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Funnily enough the widening of band E1 to include 0-10 Aircraft now takes you out of the 60-65% of target fee band and into the 108.3% (or +200 per a/c) charge .
Net result AOC charges are up by 7.9%
hope it didn't cost too much for the BHAB to complain as it has made no difference at all
vee-any ?
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If you don't like it, go somewhere else for your AOC.
Oh, hang on, you can't, because it's a monopoly run by the government, which curiously enough, has to turn a profit.
It's like something from a banana republic.
Oh, hang on, you can't, because it's a monopoly run by the government, which curiously enough, has to turn a profit.
It's like something from a banana republic.
