Age Discrimination: Fighting the CAA! (+ update)
crikey I did'nt realise the time..
Just checked the birth certificate.. what a shocker!! Would like to help the cause if possible with some humble tax-free cash if it goes all the way. Thought this sort of thing would never effect me, but 12 years is starting to cut it fine. Good luck to you all and safe flying.
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Thanks Griffo,
You're absolutely right, 12 years will pass in the blink of an eye. I hope you can help persuade all your colleagues in that bracket that they should help the cause by pledging some money to the fightinf fund.
I'm working out some details with whirlygig about administering any donations in a transparently honest way and will post the details, probably under a new thread, shortly.
Uncle Ian
You're absolutely right, 12 years will pass in the blink of an eye. I hope you can help persuade all your colleagues in that bracket that they should help the cause by pledging some money to the fightinf fund.
I'm working out some details with whirlygig about administering any donations in a transparently honest way and will post the details, probably under a new thread, shortly.
Uncle Ian
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A little 59-year-old birdie tells me that there will be an article in The Thunderer (aka The Times) next week about said case.
I'll post the link when it becomes available.
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Whirls
I'll post the link when it becomes available.
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Class 1 medical
I have a fair bit of feedback on my own age - related problems in Australia.
Check on D&G reporting points, under Class 1 medical.
I had my Class 1 medical lifted some years ago, despite never having had an symptom which DID NOT come from a computer.
All I want to do now is instruct. I have done the North Sea, rounded up the cows, bombed the bushfire. Let some teenager do that now. I am happy just to teach said teenager how.
Australian CASA have restored my Class one in an unusable form, "With or as Copilot." They say the student is the copilot.
Problem is they also require the student/copilot to be endorsed on type. That cuts out about 90% of the training required.
Check on D&G reporting points, under Class 1 medical.
I had my Class 1 medical lifted some years ago, despite never having had an symptom which DID NOT come from a computer.
All I want to do now is instruct. I have done the North Sea, rounded up the cows, bombed the bushfire. Let some teenager do that now. I am happy just to teach said teenager how.
Australian CASA have restored my Class one in an unusable form, "With or as Copilot." They say the student is the copilot.
Problem is they also require the student/copilot to be endorsed on type. That cuts out about 90% of the training required.
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The Times article about pilot age discrimiation will be in the Saturday edition. I'm hoping it will be in the online version so that I don't have to give any more money to Rupert Murdoch than I have to!
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Actually it appeared on Monday and not in every edition. No controlling editorial policy I'm afraid.
As a result there should be an interview on BBC Breakfast, probably tomorrow (wedensday 11 april). I hope this will raise the profile of this issue and persuade the CAA that they need to look at their position a bit more carefully.
Uncle Ian
As a result there should be an interview on BBC Breakfast, probably tomorrow (wedensday 11 april). I hope this will raise the profile of this issue and persuade the CAA that they need to look at their position a bit more carefully.
Uncle Ian
I wonder if the CAA medics have changed their position of 2 years ago?.......
"The UK had proposed that single pilot operations for those aged 60 – 65 years should be acceptable, subject to a cardiovascular review to include an exercise treadmill test at age 60 and 63 years. Although accepted by the LSST(M) (Licensing Sub-Sectorial Team (Medical)), the Licensing Sectorial Team (LST) decided to postpone a decision until the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) had completed its consultation process on the maximum age for professional pilots."
"The UK had proposed that single pilot operations for those aged 60 – 65 years should be acceptable, subject to a cardiovascular review to include an exercise treadmill test at age 60 and 63 years. Although accepted by the LSST(M) (Licensing Sub-Sectorial Team (Medical)), the Licensing Sectorial Team (LST) decided to postpone a decision until the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) had completed its consultation process on the maximum age for professional pilots."
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For all you early birds!
On BBC breakfast tomorrow morning, at around 06:45 I believe, there should be a piece about Uncle Ian's case.
The more exposure this issue gets, the better!
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Whirls
The more exposure this issue gets, the better!
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Who dares wins
Best of luck Ian,
Good to see you are still fighting the good fight in which ever corner presents itself!
And you looked ever so smart on the Beeb this morning, not your usual uniform eh?
CAA
Paul Curtis.
Good to see you are still fighting the good fight in which ever corner presents itself!
And you looked ever so smart on the Beeb this morning, not your usual uniform eh?
CAA
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Obviously borrowed the uniform, well spotted.
Also, for those interested, the Times have now put the article that appeared in Monday's paper (that's Easter Monday 9th April) on to TimesOnline.
The reason I'm making this fight public is twofold; a) for moral support which I'm getting plenty of and thanks for that, and b) for financial support. I can't hope to fund any action that goes to the High Court or beyond entirely alone. Quite a few of you have pledged £100 (some more) to help when the time comes; I hate to ask but I need more pledgers to assure my lawyers that I can pay their bill so, please chaps (and chapesses), say here that you'll stump up the readies and tell the people who don't pprune what's going on. For non-subscribers to this site I have set up [email protected] to take pledges. Whirlygig has agreed to handle any money so that you can be sure none of it will stick to my grubby mits on the way through.
Thanks,
Ian Evans
Also, for those interested, the Times have now put the article that appeared in Monday's paper (that's Easter Monday 9th April) on to TimesOnline.
The reason I'm making this fight public is twofold; a) for moral support which I'm getting plenty of and thanks for that, and b) for financial support. I can't hope to fund any action that goes to the High Court or beyond entirely alone. Quite a few of you have pledged £100 (some more) to help when the time comes; I hate to ask but I need more pledgers to assure my lawyers that I can pay their bill so, please chaps (and chapesses), say here that you'll stump up the readies and tell the people who don't pprune what's going on. For non-subscribers to this site I have set up [email protected] to take pledges. Whirlygig has agreed to handle any money so that you can be sure none of it will stick to my grubby mits on the way through.
Thanks,
Ian Evans
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I understand your fight for being able to continue in a profession so many of us love, but I think the problem you would have with suport here is one where the up and coming guys only get a chance at moving up when the older people retire (forced or not).
I know there is a lot of experience out there with the 'older' generation, but it's not an argument really. There are a lot of experienced 30+ year olds too. It would be interesting to see how many people starting out or say in their
20's, would support the 60+yr old members to continue flying.
Is it a case do you think that the over 60's continue in the profession because of money and didn't manage to put enough away for retirement, or because they love what they do?
I know there is a lot of experience out there with the 'older' generation, but it's not an argument really. There are a lot of experienced 30+ year olds too. It would be interesting to see how many people starting out or say in their
20's, would support the 60+yr old members to continue flying.
Is it a case do you think that the over 60's continue in the profession because of money and didn't manage to put enough away for retirement, or because they love what they do?
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The point of it all is that at the moment it is a case of blatant discrimination with no evidence to support compulsory retirement on the basis of age.
Along with many others I plan to retire at 60 and have made appropriate provision for doing so. What I want is the right to work beyond 60 in my chosen profession should I choose to do so.
Clearly this would not be happening if it was based on race, ethnicity or sexual orientation. Perhaps being white, english and protestant is not helping my claim.
Rant over.
I pledge to the fight, 1 years worth of subscriptions to BALPA, if they refuse to support our claim.
Along with many others I plan to retire at 60 and have made appropriate provision for doing so. What I want is the right to work beyond 60 in my chosen profession should I choose to do so.
Clearly this would not be happening if it was based on race, ethnicity or sexual orientation. Perhaps being white, english and protestant is not helping my claim.
Rant over.
I pledge to the fight, 1 years worth of subscriptions to BALPA, if they refuse to support our claim.
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Kissmysquirrel,
What Limits makes the point better than I. I would add that, in common with many workers who do not enjoy a "final salary", "index linked" pension, retirement now would leave me struggling if I did not have alternatives to rely on. That is precisely why the government is encouraging everyone except pilots to retire later!
Have you asked any employers in the industry where they will replace my generation of pilots from? There is plenty of room for the younger guys who can do the job but there is a very real shortage of pilots of any age which worsens year by year.
What Limits makes the point better than I. I would add that, in common with many workers who do not enjoy a "final salary", "index linked" pension, retirement now would leave me struggling if I did not have alternatives to rely on. That is precisely why the government is encouraging everyone except pilots to retire later!
Have you asked any employers in the industry where they will replace my generation of pilots from? There is plenty of room for the younger guys who can do the job but there is a very real shortage of pilots of any age which worsens year by year.
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Link to the Times Online Article
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1637181.ece
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1637181.ece