Pilots who went on strike let go by PHI
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"Year 1 captains pay in Aberdeen is now circa 126,000 USD. Year 17 is around 152,000 USD. And you can thank the unions for it. "
Good coins for some hazardous conditions. What are the tax rates on all that money. I know the guys up in Skandahoovia make a lot but the "Cradle to Grave" governments slap them silly with taxes.
Good coins for some hazardous conditions. What are the tax rates on all that money. I know the guys up in Skandahoovia make a lot but the "Cradle to Grave" governments slap them silly with taxes.
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Many of the younger guys coming up really do not understand the situation. I was talking with a young flight instructor about the strike and what was going on. His comment was "If they don't like it, why don't they get another job?". The companies would love that, keeping most of the guys on 1st and2nd year pay and treating them like "do-do" . It is a whole different attitude from the guys trying to get into the regionals and the airlines. And this attitude seems to be quite prevalent amoung the new guys presently working as CFI's and at small companies. And that is something that will need to be worked on over the next few years.
Mr. Lappos, a so called Union Buster is usually a legal firm specializing in labor laws and experienced in all those facets of labor that work in favor of the employer.
Services from such a firm are rendered during the unionizing phase and throughout the presence of a labor union within a company.
There is a book in circulation titled "Confessions of a Union Buster" wrote by one of such lawyers.
While there is usually a certain degree of "reality distorsion" coming from both sides, the company carries an advantage most often than not, simply because they have the power to fire at will in most cases (but not after representation is voted in).
Workers, especially the younger ones or the most junior in the seniority scale are very sensible to veiled and not so veiled threats coming from the employer, particularly if they were hired after most of the unfovarable conditions leading to collective representation have been removed.
Services from such a firm are rendered during the unionizing phase and throughout the presence of a labor union within a company.
There is a book in circulation titled "Confessions of a Union Buster" wrote by one of such lawyers.
While there is usually a certain degree of "reality distorsion" coming from both sides, the company carries an advantage most often than not, simply because they have the power to fire at will in most cases (but not after representation is voted in).
Workers, especially the younger ones or the most junior in the seniority scale are very sensible to veiled and not so veiled threats coming from the employer, particularly if they were hired after most of the unfovarable conditions leading to collective representation have been removed.
Now...Now...Nick!
As I have posted....a few of our posters have dealt with Marse Homer Bob hisself and in time they will in all liklihood recount their experiences with a known individual of the "union busting" brigades.
Go rent "Norma Rae" for a good primer....and a pretty young lady in some proper blue jeans.
In the mean time.... type google.com, hit enter, type "union busting" and see where you wind up. I dun better in English than I ever dun in Computers 101.
As I have posted....a few of our posters have dealt with Marse Homer Bob hisself and in time they will in all liklihood recount their experiences with a known individual of the "union busting" brigades.
Go rent "Norma Rae" for a good primer....and a pretty young lady in some proper blue jeans.
In the mean time.... type google.com, hit enter, type "union busting" and see where you wind up. I dun better in English than I ever dun in Computers 101.
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The correct spelling for my little part of the neighborhood is Scandinavia, just to help some of you posters out a bit. It is always important to show respect to people from other countries and cultures by doing your homework when it comes to geography, political systems and stuff like that.
In Norway our annual earnings are taxed heavily. Still, when you include free schools, free university, first class public health care for all citizens, the public pension systems, unemployment benefits etc. etc. then the picture looks good, from whichever angle you view it.
A rough interpretation of public statistics might indicate approx. 30% less purchasing power for $1 in Norway compared to the US. This does depend on your family situation, as a family with 2 kids will benefit heavily from the establisehd systems, and rightfully so.
When the average earnings for all pilots is above $200.000, this might by some still be considered not too bad. Please do your own math, Ladies and Gentlemen. This figure does include the total earnings, including overtime, offshore allowances, voluntary workover, per diem, insurance premiums covered by the employer
People with lack of motivation or interest might want to distort the picture for their own purpose, to create a poor impression of pilot unions. The fact of the matter is the following:
The pilots of Local 108 are in the middle of a struggle which will benefit us all in the long run. They command the utmost respect from pilots worldwide.
With the assistance of OPEIU and their colleagues in Local 107, the highly skilled professionals of Local 108 are working to make the GOM a better place, both with regards to terms and conditions and also with regards to operational safety standards.
You have to take a stand these days: Either you support the pilots, or you support management and forces hostile to pilot unions.
Please, when you look back at your career, make sure you were on the side of the pilots, working for a better tomorrow.
In Norway our annual earnings are taxed heavily. Still, when you include free schools, free university, first class public health care for all citizens, the public pension systems, unemployment benefits etc. etc. then the picture looks good, from whichever angle you view it.
A rough interpretation of public statistics might indicate approx. 30% less purchasing power for $1 in Norway compared to the US. This does depend on your family situation, as a family with 2 kids will benefit heavily from the establisehd systems, and rightfully so.
When the average earnings for all pilots is above $200.000, this might by some still be considered not too bad. Please do your own math, Ladies and Gentlemen. This figure does include the total earnings, including overtime, offshore allowances, voluntary workover, per diem, insurance premiums covered by the employer
People with lack of motivation or interest might want to distort the picture for their own purpose, to create a poor impression of pilot unions. The fact of the matter is the following:
- 90 % or more of the pilots flying offshore or SAR in Ireland, the UK, the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway are union members.
- The companies are all profitable and well reputed.
- The pilots in general have the best terms and conditions in the industry.
- All companies have Collective Labor Agreements with the pilot unions.
The pilots of Local 108 are in the middle of a struggle which will benefit us all in the long run. They command the utmost respect from pilots worldwide.
With the assistance of OPEIU and their colleagues in Local 107, the highly skilled professionals of Local 108 are working to make the GOM a better place, both with regards to terms and conditions and also with regards to operational safety standards.
You have to take a stand these days: Either you support the pilots, or you support management and forces hostile to pilot unions.
Please, when you look back at your career, make sure you were on the side of the pilots, working for a better tomorrow.
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Book Review...."Confessions of a Union Buster" by Michael Levitt
Nick,
Here's a book review for you....talks of a "confession" written by Michael Leavitt who was in his own words, a "union buster".
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m..._15515998/pg_2
Here's a book review for you....talks of a "confession" written by Michael Leavitt who was in his own words, a "union buster".
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m..._15515998/pg_2
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"The correct spelling for my little part of the neighborhood is Scandinavia, just to help some of you posters out a bit. It is always important to show respect to people from other countries and cultures by doing your homework when it comes to geography, political systems and stuff like that."
So Touchie.......Got it from my mom she used it jokingly.She was from Tonsberg, Grandpa was from Trondheim........ bet many folks wouldnt catch the humor it if your name was Quisling.
So Touchie.......Got it from my mom she used it jokingly.She was from Tonsberg, Grandpa was from Trondheim........ bet many folks wouldnt catch the humor it if your name was Quisling.
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Joking around, having fun?
Quisling:
This is not a categorization used lightly in my country. I do not believe I have ever met an honourable man who have joked around with this term before.
During the second world war Norway was occupied by Germany, and was kind of run by a man named Vidkun Quisling, with the blessing of Adolf Hitler. He was executed, having been found guilty of war crimes and high treason after the Germans capitulated.
In Norway the surname Quisling implies that you are a traitor to your countrymen and your country.
Which group of pilots would fit into this category?
Good night to all good colleagues, I need to get some sleep before our next flight.
This is not a categorization used lightly in my country. I do not believe I have ever met an honourable man who have joked around with this term before.
During the second world war Norway was occupied by Germany, and was kind of run by a man named Vidkun Quisling, with the blessing of Adolf Hitler. He was executed, having been found guilty of war crimes and high treason after the Germans capitulated.
In Norway the surname Quisling implies that you are a traitor to your countrymen and your country.
Which group of pilots would fit into this category?
Good night to all good colleagues, I need to get some sleep before our next flight.
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CHC and Proud does seem very sensitive about any light hearted remarks. Maybe he's more "proud" than we think.
We are getting off thread, too much serious stuff here to let it degenerate in my opinion. What happens in PHI could set the stage for other pay negotiations.
CHC and Proud does seem very sensitive about any light hearted remarks. Maybe he's more "proud" than we think.
We are getting off thread, too much serious stuff here to let it degenerate in my opinion. What happens in PHI could set the stage for other pay negotiations.
I have been led to believe PHI's explanation why they refuse to pay "Full Retro Pay" would insult a Moron with its incredibility.
Also heard almost one hundred pilots resigned from the Union prior to the strike over the handling of the situation by the leadership. Major complaint being a fair number of members wished to "vote" for/against acceptance of the company's Best and Final Offer but the leadership held off saying it was not the offer that should be accepted.
As in all of these affairs......the truth is somewhere in the middle of all the hype.
It sounds like about half of the pilots are on strike thus the union position is weak as compared to a full walkout. The company is confronted with recruiting, hiring, training, and fielding the necessary replacements before the customers start crying and demanding something be done.
The 64 Dollar question is how much slack are the other operators going to be able to pick up in the meanwhile.....and how many customers will go elsewhere as a result.
One recurring theme seems to be the younger pilots see the older pilots as wanting a pound of flesh for the past bad treatment they have received.
If that is true.....someone in management sure messed up. That should have been identified as one of the things the new owner would want to find a cure for to further weaken the Union. Perhaps they were not interested in either seeking peace and promoting a harmonious relationship or tried and the hard feelings continued notwithstanding the management's efforts.
Also heard almost one hundred pilots resigned from the Union prior to the strike over the handling of the situation by the leadership. Major complaint being a fair number of members wished to "vote" for/against acceptance of the company's Best and Final Offer but the leadership held off saying it was not the offer that should be accepted.
As in all of these affairs......the truth is somewhere in the middle of all the hype.
It sounds like about half of the pilots are on strike thus the union position is weak as compared to a full walkout. The company is confronted with recruiting, hiring, training, and fielding the necessary replacements before the customers start crying and demanding something be done.
The 64 Dollar question is how much slack are the other operators going to be able to pick up in the meanwhile.....and how many customers will go elsewhere as a result.
One recurring theme seems to be the younger pilots see the older pilots as wanting a pound of flesh for the past bad treatment they have received.
If that is true.....someone in management sure messed up. That should have been identified as one of the things the new owner would want to find a cure for to further weaken the Union. Perhaps they were not interested in either seeking peace and promoting a harmonious relationship or tried and the hard feelings continued notwithstanding the management's efforts.
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"B Sousa
CHC and Proud does seem very sensitive about any light hearted remarks. Maybe he's more "proud" than we think"
Tell him, not me. Majority of the folks here are a bit thin skinned. I brought it up when his sensitivity alarm went bonkers. He neednt go into history lessons, just understand the point." Seems the trouble with the "English" Language is that many of us cant understand it. He should read my posts more s l o w l y. There is no offense to anyone mentioned.
Now whats the latest at PHI??
CHC and Proud does seem very sensitive about any light hearted remarks. Maybe he's more "proud" than we think"
Tell him, not me. Majority of the folks here are a bit thin skinned. I brought it up when his sensitivity alarm went bonkers. He neednt go into history lessons, just understand the point." Seems the trouble with the "English" Language is that many of us cant understand it. He should read my posts more s l o w l y. There is no offense to anyone mentioned.
Now whats the latest at PHI??
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Good morning Gentlemen
Sorry if you feel I wasted prescious space on this thread. I'll do my best to stay on topic, as I'm sure we all will.
The important matter at hand is to support our colleagues at PHI. Members of Local 108 is fighting for their careers and for the future of the industry.
This being for the most part an anonymous forum, it's obvious that some posters use it for the purpose of trying to undermine ther legal strike action. In the long run you hirt not only the pilots, but also the industry as a whole, including yourself.
The activity levels in the petroleum industry, the oil price and the number of pilots retiring in the years to come has led to a serious shortage of qualified pilots. It is also leading to operators lookung into reducing their entry level qualification requirements. Flying single pilot in the GOM with 500 hrs. under your belt from an R22 or similar would make me feel extremely uncomfortable as a passenger.
Local 108 is addressing the need to adjust terms and conditions to a more professional level. This would increase the odds of the operators being able to attract and retain qualified pilots in the GOM. As it is today, it's too easy to find more attractive alternatives for the younger generation.
Consequently, some of you should reevaluate your focus and your loyalties. Support for Local 108 in fact means supporting all of us.
Sorry if you feel I wasted prescious space on this thread. I'll do my best to stay on topic, as I'm sure we all will.
The important matter at hand is to support our colleagues at PHI. Members of Local 108 is fighting for their careers and for the future of the industry.
This being for the most part an anonymous forum, it's obvious that some posters use it for the purpose of trying to undermine ther legal strike action. In the long run you hirt not only the pilots, but also the industry as a whole, including yourself.
The activity levels in the petroleum industry, the oil price and the number of pilots retiring in the years to come has led to a serious shortage of qualified pilots. It is also leading to operators lookung into reducing their entry level qualification requirements. Flying single pilot in the GOM with 500 hrs. under your belt from an R22 or similar would make me feel extremely uncomfortable as a passenger.
Local 108 is addressing the need to adjust terms and conditions to a more professional level. This would increase the odds of the operators being able to attract and retain qualified pilots in the GOM. As it is today, it's too easy to find more attractive alternatives for the younger generation.
Consequently, some of you should reevaluate your focus and your loyalties. Support for Local 108 in fact means supporting all of us.
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chc&proud,
I think you are wrong when you say, "...... it's obvious that some posters use it for the purpose of trying to undermine ther legal strike action. In the long run you hirt not only the pilots, but also the industry as a whole, including yourself."
I think you can't find a single post that does not support the strike!
Hillerbee, great site, whoever wrote that page really did it well, the story is told straight and without a "chip" on the shoulder.
I think you are wrong when you say, "...... it's obvious that some posters use it for the purpose of trying to undermine ther legal strike action. In the long run you hirt not only the pilots, but also the industry as a whole, including yourself."
I think you can't find a single post that does not support the strike!
Hillerbee, great site, whoever wrote that page really did it well, the story is told straight and without a "chip" on the shoulder.
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HillerBee,
Thanks for making available that informative presentation. Overall, it seems to hit the nail on the head.
This is definetely the worst of times to apply for a position with PHI. The company will need lots of new pilots in the years to come, and so will AirLog,
ERA and most operators worldwide.
It is very sound advice to any and all pilots looking for employment within the GOM to avoid sending his application to PHI. Instead get in touch with the other operators.
Thanks for making available that informative presentation. Overall, it seems to hit the nail on the head.
This is definetely the worst of times to apply for a position with PHI. The company will need lots of new pilots in the years to come, and so will AirLog,
ERA and most operators worldwide.
It is very sound advice to any and all pilots looking for employment within the GOM to avoid sending his application to PHI. Instead get in touch with the other operators.