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He hasn't gone yet , but off to New Brittain .
They are having trouble attracting a replacement as the "package" is woefull.
Yes THL upper rates are for the longer term pilots . The 1500 hour pilot on 30 k , actually about 35k . The two recent ski plane pilots taken on with 100 hour heli time are on about 30k to start. Not too bad when you consider straight onto twin time.
I actually agree that pay rates are not great in NZ , but its not just aviation rates , its NZ pay rates in general.
They are having trouble attracting a replacement as the "package" is woefull.
Yes THL upper rates are for the longer term pilots . The 1500 hour pilot on 30 k , actually about 35k . The two recent ski plane pilots taken on with 100 hour heli time are on about 30k to start. Not too bad when you consider straight onto twin time.
I actually agree that pay rates are not great in NZ , but its not just aviation rates , its NZ pay rates in general.
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Originally Posted by feelerup
He hasn't gone yet , but off to New Brittain .
The 1500 hour pilot on 30 k , actually about 35k
The 1500 hour pilot on 30 k , actually about 35k
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I have to say that I have enjoyed all the comments so far. COB, Big Mikes and Feelerup's comments are right on the money. The comment about wages in general being low in NZ are very accurate. With a half decent house starting at $350K in Auckland and not far off elsewhere; a lot of guys like myself who have been struggling to get the experience overseas have left NZ and come back to a country we can no longer afford. Even a coffee starts at 50% more than what you pay in the US...
If you are looking to return to NZ and hoping to buy a bit of land and still dream of a batch at the beach, then you better do your homework before heading back. Wages are stunted in relation to the cost of living, housing and fuel and consumer goods and I think the average man in NZ (esp. Auckland) needs a pay raise of 30%. Inflation is running at 4% and how many pilots working in NZ have had a pay raise to keep their wage inline with inflation?
The Australian market is a better working environment, its a shame the flying is not so entertaining as NZ and the crays harder to find!
If you are looking to return to NZ and hoping to buy a bit of land and still dream of a batch at the beach, then you better do your homework before heading back. Wages are stunted in relation to the cost of living, housing and fuel and consumer goods and I think the average man in NZ (esp. Auckland) needs a pay raise of 30%. Inflation is running at 4% and how many pilots working in NZ have had a pay raise to keep their wage inline with inflation?
The Australian market is a better working environment, its a shame the flying is not so entertaining as NZ and the crays harder to find!
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If your English is bad......
Originally Posted by bell hater
So you really want to be depressed eh? Well New Zealand helicopter rates have to be some of the lowest in the world period… that’s why so man kiwis are flying else ware, to give you and idea flying a AS355 down in the south island. The very top rate is a poultry $ 44,000.00 pacific paso (NZD) and that’s for the privilege of flying 6 days a week with 1 day off (12-14 hour duty days)… so if that hasn’t got you salivating then you can also do a lot of unpaid miles in your own vehicle with no meal allowances…. After all that you will be delighted to see at the end of the year, the company has been making record profits (hourly rates are running $ 2500.00 - $ 3000.00 per flight hour) oh and also if you want to go contract (good for you going it alone) you might get $ 200.00 - $ 250.00 per day, no flight pay but only half if you don’t fly (but that’s more than fair considering that you cant work for anybody else that day)….
Hating bells and the New Zealand helicopter industry
Hating bells and the New Zealand helicopter industry
. Get with it, if you (and others) are incapable of using correct spelling and grammar, then that could well be a cause of being taken to the cleaners by certain operators. It gets a tad tiresome seeing all the bleating going on about low salaries but if one does not have the self confidence in negotiating the right salary (I am on a 100K+ in NZ at the moment) then live with what is offered.
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Here chicky chicky chicky
Oh dearly me… I better crawl back under my rock now that the grammar police have arrive to spit venom at those who dare defile the English language…. It’s a funny thing the internet by it’s vary nature anarchistic, think about that for a minute NotHomeMuch. You are correct it is your own responsibility to negotiate a better deal for your self and that is precisely what I have done and advise others to-do… if you actually read my post before trying (badly) so call me out, you would have read this….. “But I can’t really blame the operators or the industry (for poor conditions) you have to blame pilots who will accept less.... and yes there are a few good jobs in New Zealand that pay OK (not really good) but if you took an average across the industry it would be vary sad indeed.” So thanks for pointing out my spelling and grammar problems... With your $100,000.00 you might be able to find something more interesting to do that proof read my dribble….. (jackass)
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Well NOTHOMEMUCH 100k plus.Thats "Magic" you are not the General manager are u or perhaps the owner of the company.
Or perhaps you fly by day and gigilo by night.Thats probably why your not home much.I knew there was something funny about u
Maybe you might even have shares in an Inglish Collige
Whatever it is you are just too clever for us normal kiwi pilots
Or perhaps you fly by day and gigilo by night.Thats probably why your not home much.I knew there was something funny about u
Maybe you might even have shares in an Inglish Collige
Whatever it is you are just too clever for us normal kiwi pilots
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Struck a raw nerve, BH, now that you have to sink to name calling. I presume that you dribble from only one side of your mouth as you do not seem to be level headed
By the by, your spelling has not improved even though you are trying to use big words!
slackman, can't say I have ever met you though given your diatribe (look in a dictionary for the meaning), I probably wouldn't want to. And no, I don't own the company or partake in nefarious nocturnal activities.
But we are straying from the point so I will leave you all to carry on wallowing in self pity about perceived poor salaries and working conditions.
By the by, your spelling has not improved even though you are trying to use big words!slackman, can't say I have ever met you though given your diatribe (look in a dictionary for the meaning), I probably wouldn't want to. And no, I don't own the company or partake in nefarious nocturnal activities.
But we are straying from the point so I will leave you all to carry on wallowing in self pity about perceived poor salaries and working conditions.
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Not there much; what are you talking about? Nocturnal activities, company owning??
I don't know you either but given the fact you worked for Hevilift in PNG and know a bit about Mil's, it shouldn't be hard to track you down. There are only so many guys with that resume. Please don't resort to facetious comments regarding my opinion because you haven't contributed anything except to try and big note yourself to us regarding your substancial salary.
Regards.
I don't know you either but given the fact you worked for Hevilift in PNG and know a bit about Mil's, it shouldn't be hard to track you down. There are only so many guys with that resume. Please don't resort to facetious comments regarding my opinion because you haven't contributed anything except to try and big note yourself to us regarding your substancial salary.
Regards.
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The anonymous cheap shots at each other & pull ups on grammer/spelling make you look like juveniles with nothing better to do & detract from what could be informative for some.
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Ak EMS
Helicopter Pilots
EMS/SAR, Instrument Rated Command
Auckland Rescue Helicopter Trust
Expressions of interest are invited from highly motivated applicants for the
above position.
Pilots need to have minimum of 2000 hours (1500 helicopter), CPL (H)
instrument rating (H) and 50 hours actual IMC. ATPL (H), SPIFR rating,
Instructor rating, EMS/SAR, twin engine, hoist and NVG experience would be
an advantage.
I have heard that these positions will pay around the $100-K mark (salary & other stuff)
TK
EMS/SAR, Instrument Rated Command
Auckland Rescue Helicopter Trust
Expressions of interest are invited from highly motivated applicants for the
above position.
Pilots need to have minimum of 2000 hours (1500 helicopter), CPL (H)
instrument rating (H) and 50 hours actual IMC. ATPL (H), SPIFR rating,
Instructor rating, EMS/SAR, twin engine, hoist and NVG experience would be
an advantage.
I have heard that these positions will pay around the $100-K mark (salary & other stuff)
TK
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Sorry I took so long to get back, too busy boring holes in the ozone and making lots of dosh in , wait for it , NEW ZEALAND !!!!!
Anyway to the poor boy in southland , I assume he's flying for DICK in his 500 ( c that is ) , there is no way you have more than 500 hours,and, for that experience level $25000 would be great . Fresh lawyers get that after 4-5 years uni.
And , yes, I do have INSIDE knowledge on THL payscales (magic showed me so there ).
Right , ok, some of you seem to think I am dreaming of pay scales , those that doubt are all inexperienced , I see you fuming because you are all owed a fantastic job because you are all COMMERCIAL PILOTS , Jesus you must be good , after all it took nearly a year to get so qualified.
Wake up and realise that you won't get a great job unless your Dad is a pilot as well (think about how it seems to be generational). A new pilot isn't in demand and won't get good pay unless Louisa likes you.
Get a few hours and a resume that doesn't say CPL(H) R22 125 hours
H369 3 hours
and you will be starting to realise that you are owed nothing just because you have a licence.
OK, pilots earning $100,000
As we have seen Westpac want drivers at $100.000 the ones there employed by Helilink earn nearly that now (you know what I'm talking about doing all that winching at Piha).
A Vertol has gotta be worth that.
A BK doing wires gets that.
Alfie , you reading this ?
Dave K you didn't quit PNG for $50,000 and a R44 rating.
Neil S has never flown for free
There is a common thread here , EXPERIENCE .
It gets reasonable pay in the NZ scheme of things and you are home most nights , all wingers just wait , get ratings and stick time , and you may just reach the holy grail , otherwise, go back punching nails.
( this is really gonna piss you off EH )
Anyway to the poor boy in southland , I assume he's flying for DICK in his 500 ( c that is ) , there is no way you have more than 500 hours,and, for that experience level $25000 would be great . Fresh lawyers get that after 4-5 years uni.
And , yes, I do have INSIDE knowledge on THL payscales (magic showed me so there ).
Right , ok, some of you seem to think I am dreaming of pay scales , those that doubt are all inexperienced , I see you fuming because you are all owed a fantastic job because you are all COMMERCIAL PILOTS , Jesus you must be good , after all it took nearly a year to get so qualified.
Wake up and realise that you won't get a great job unless your Dad is a pilot as well (think about how it seems to be generational). A new pilot isn't in demand and won't get good pay unless Louisa likes you.
Get a few hours and a resume that doesn't say CPL(H) R22 125 hours
H369 3 hours
and you will be starting to realise that you are owed nothing just because you have a licence.
OK, pilots earning $100,000
As we have seen Westpac want drivers at $100.000 the ones there employed by Helilink earn nearly that now (you know what I'm talking about doing all that winching at Piha).
A Vertol has gotta be worth that.
A BK doing wires gets that.
Alfie , you reading this ?
Dave K you didn't quit PNG for $50,000 and a R44 rating.
Neil S has never flown for free
There is a common thread here , EXPERIENCE .
It gets reasonable pay in the NZ scheme of things and you are home most nights , all wingers just wait , get ratings and stick time , and you may just reach the holy grail , otherwise, go back punching nails.
( this is really gonna piss you off EH )
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Originally Posted by Steve76
Not there much; what are you talking about? Nocturnal activities, company owning??
I don't know you either but given the fact you worked for Hevilift in PNG and know a bit about Mil's, it shouldn't be hard to track you down. There are only so many guys with that resume. Please don't resort to facetious comments regarding my opinion because you haven't contributed anything except to try and big note yourself to us regarding your substancial salary.
Regards.
I don't know you either but given the fact you worked for Hevilift in PNG and know a bit about Mil's, it shouldn't be hard to track you down. There are only so many guys with that resume. Please don't resort to facetious comments regarding my opinion because you haven't contributed anything except to try and big note yourself to us regarding your substancial salary.
Regards.
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This is an interesting topic; from personal experience I earned about $60,000.00 and change when used to fly a squirrel on the south island… I think that times have changed and the boys are getting a little more these days… as they seam to get a scheduled pay rise to keep above inflation. Feelurp that is pretty intriguing about those high paid jobs, I did hear a figure on the BK power line work and was impressed by it. And I also had no idea the Westpac guys were making that much. Also mate Dick sold the 500 and got a brand new 44
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feelerup - well said.
Steve76, post edited, comments meant for slackman. Hevi Lift/Mil-8s - maybe - but do remember that PNG is not the only place where Mil-8s are flown by Western pilots.
Big note re salary? Why not, work for a good company that looks after it's staff, pays well and if I got it right on the salary front what's the big deal? Instead of boring all with another thread on how poorly heli pilots are paid, the time was spent negotiating.
Steve76, post edited, comments meant for slackman. Hevi Lift/Mil-8s - maybe - but do remember that PNG is not the only place where Mil-8s are flown by Western pilots.
Big note re salary? Why not, work for a good company that looks after it's staff, pays well and if I got it right on the salary front what's the big deal? Instead of boring all with another thread on how poorly heli pilots are paid, the time was spent negotiating.
Not home much: fair enough. I am not overly impressed by a $100K NZD salary but it is larger than the usual in NZ. If you can command that, then good for you. It's got to be good for the NZ scene and sets a great precedent for the future. Unfortunately, given the fact that none of us know exactly what you do, where you work or even what sector of the industry pays that salary; means the rest of us are unable to set it as a standard for future wage negotiations.
Everyone should remember that $100,000 NZD only equals (a generous...)$61,900 USD, 69,900 CAD, $81,300 AUD and $32,800 GBP. These are all very average wages for pilots in those respective countries. It means that for a well trained and highly experienced pilot (like NHM: ex-Hevilift, mediums etc..) who returns or works in the NZ industry; $100K NZD should be starting figure to recompense these guys for their experience.
NZ is very fortunate to have such a vast and respected pool of talent that has largely been trained overseas. If these 4 - 10000hr pilots were overseas they would be paid well more than the sums mentioned above.
Additionally, from conversations with colleagues employed on the Westpac BK's, I am told you will not be starting on $100K. More like $75K NZD.
I don't know about OT but if I speculated that OT is paid at $350 a day that would mean an additional 71 shifts a year. That is an average of what SAR/EMS operators pay elsewhere and to earn that amount would require a total 3000hrs/year of duty @ 12hrs a shift. Your 9 - 5 worker only clocks up 2000hrs a year. It's a lot of long days at work watching Discovery channel
No wonder we suffer AID's.
Everyone should remember that $100,000 NZD only equals (a generous...)$61,900 USD, 69,900 CAD, $81,300 AUD and $32,800 GBP. These are all very average wages for pilots in those respective countries. It means that for a well trained and highly experienced pilot (like NHM: ex-Hevilift, mediums etc..) who returns or works in the NZ industry; $100K NZD should be starting figure to recompense these guys for their experience.
NZ is very fortunate to have such a vast and respected pool of talent that has largely been trained overseas. If these 4 - 10000hr pilots were overseas they would be paid well more than the sums mentioned above.
Additionally, from conversations with colleagues employed on the Westpac BK's, I am told you will not be starting on $100K. More like $75K NZD.
I don't know about OT but if I speculated that OT is paid at $350 a day that would mean an additional 71 shifts a year. That is an average of what SAR/EMS operators pay elsewhere and to earn that amount would require a total 3000hrs/year of duty @ 12hrs a shift. Your 9 - 5 worker only clocks up 2000hrs a year. It's a lot of long days at work watching Discovery channel
No wonder we suffer AID's.