What's the latest news of the V22 Osprey?
Yeah....all we need is a folding wheeled...water jet powered...armored amphibious Humvee!
It will nicely complement the Hundred Thousand Dollar Osprey custom M-151 Jeep and French Mortar!
Is there no end to this silliness?
It will nicely complement the Hundred Thousand Dollar Osprey custom M-151 Jeep and French Mortar!
Is there no end to this silliness?
Just your President's devaluing of the US Dollar in effect....what a difference a few days makes!
It seems the Swedish guvmint is just like any other in the World considering why they are buying Blackhawks....smacks of the Osprey, F-35 Alternate Enginer, VH, Air Force Tanker, EFV, Obama Care, and a long host of other US Government programs.
It seems the Swedish guvmint is just like any other in the World considering why they are buying Blackhawks....smacks of the Osprey, F-35 Alternate Enginer, VH, Air Force Tanker, EFV, Obama Care, and a long host of other US Government programs.
Sweden's government says the Black Hawk acquisition is expected to value up to SKr4.7 billion ($772 million), including training services, through-life operating costs and maintenance support.
Has the NH-90 Stumbled?
I guess the question that requires asking is: What is going on with the Nordic new and improved larger cabin NH-90s acquired in 2002? At the time there was no way that the Blackhawk (small cabin) would fit their requirements. Back then, the international Blackhawks were $12.9 million per copy plus logistic support.
Where were the "Cat's Ass" of SpecOps aviation recently......seems it were obselete Blackhawks and Chinooks carrying the Lads on their house call at the Bin Laden hacienda!
Nightstalkers and all those who participated....Congratulations on a very successful OP!
Nightstalkers and all those who participated....Congratulations on a very successful OP!
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Possible Reasons for V-22 Absence
The Air Force still hasn't worked out all of the V-22's bugs, not their type of point A to point B mission, too much hovering, they were circling overhead waiting to save the day, got there so early, (due to their incredible speed) that they declared themselves fastest of all the air vehicles and went back to base playing "We are the champions" on their loudspeakers.
The Air Force still hasn't worked out all of the V-22's bugs, not their type of point A to point B mission, too much hovering, they were circling overhead waiting to save the day, got there so early, (due to their incredible speed) that they declared themselves fastest of all the air vehicles and went back to base playing "We are the champions" on their loudspeakers.
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The operation to finally take out bin Laden is the perfect example of "balance" in aircraft types to fulfill all mission profiles. The V-22 is fast, quiet en route, and has very good range for a vertical lift aircraft. But it cannot come into a confined compound with 'guns blazing' from all directions.
That's one of the reasons that tiltrotors will NEVER replace helicopters. They will perform missions better suited for their capabilities, and we should all be thankful for the flexibility and capability to support missions across the board.
Thanks so much to the guys that did the job that needed to be done in Pakistan. It doesn't matter what aircraft they rode in on, what they accomplished was the "ultimate mission" for this decade that so many people have been waiting for -- and how great it is that helicopters were able to carry them in to do the job!!!
That's one of the reasons that tiltrotors will NEVER replace helicopters. They will perform missions better suited for their capabilities, and we should all be thankful for the flexibility and capability to support missions across the board.
Thanks so much to the guys that did the job that needed to be done in Pakistan. It doesn't matter what aircraft they rode in on, what they accomplished was the "ultimate mission" for this decade that so many people have been waiting for -- and how great it is that helicopters were able to carry them in to do the job!!!
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Balance? Huh?
"we should all be thankful..."
We would be thankful if it did perform all the missions of the aircraft it was contracted to replace.
But then, there we go again rehashing the V-22's obvious shortcomings, again and again, and again and...
"we should all be thankful..."
We would be thankful if it did perform all the missions of the aircraft it was contracted to replace.
But then, there we go again rehashing the V-22's obvious shortcomings, again and again, and again and...
Interesting laud for "obsolete blackhawks and chinooks"....especially when one MH60 decided to crash land due to mechanical problems.
You guys make me sick, theres absolutely no real detail about the logisitcs of the operation and you have to post up online some irrelevent disparaging commentary about the "absence" of the V22 in a specific mission, which was tactically obviously more suited for a traditional helicopter anyway. Also, how many V22s does the 160th have right now? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
V22 makes a successful long range CSAR extraction last month
Dan/SAS say "V22 sucks"
V22 accumulates 100,000 flight hours in theater
Dan/SAS say "V22 sucks"
V22 steadily raises mission readiness rates
Dan/SAS say "V22 sucks"
V22 becomes the safest flying vehicle in marine inventory
Dan/SAS say "V22 sucks"
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MH60/MH47s make successful short range urban tactical operation
Dan/SAS say "V22 sucks"
You guys make me sick, theres absolutely no real detail about the logisitcs of the operation and you have to post up online some irrelevent disparaging commentary about the "absence" of the V22 in a specific mission, which was tactically obviously more suited for a traditional helicopter anyway. Also, how many V22s does the 160th have right now? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
V22 makes a successful long range CSAR extraction last month
Dan/SAS say "V22 sucks"
V22 accumulates 100,000 flight hours in theater
Dan/SAS say "V22 sucks"
V22 steadily raises mission readiness rates
Dan/SAS say "V22 sucks"
V22 becomes the safest flying vehicle in marine inventory
Dan/SAS say "V22 sucks"
...
MH60/MH47s make successful short range urban tactical operation
Dan/SAS say "V22 sucks"
SASless: a few years back the 155mm naval mount, with proposed "RAP" round was supposed to reach farther than the 11-13 NM of the 5" mount.
Not sure what happened there ... probably "missiles" or airborne fires were presumed to suffice.
Not sure what happened there ... probably "missiles" or airborne fires were presumed to suffice.
This operation ended up in a success, but not due to the UH-60. 50% of the assault aircraft were lost. Only by excellent piloting was another disaster like Cambodia, Desert One, Grenada, and Somalia due to the shortcomings of conventional helicopters (read Sikorsky products) avoided. Imagine the slaughter of our guys if the two ships had collided due to the mechanical failure of one of the aircraft.
The Sultan
The Sultan
Sans.....get it straight....I merely asked where it was?
As to an engine failure....wasn't one of the explanations for the USAF CV-22 crash in Afghanistan a dual engine failure?
Where were the "Cat's Ass" of SpecOps aviation recently......seems it were obselete Blackhawks and Chinooks carrying the Lads on their house call at Chez Bin Laden!
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sorry for lumping you in with Dan, but you were the one who had to make the completely irrelevant jab in this thread
It was a suspected single engine power degradation, which was categorically ruled out by the air force as the only suggestions for that conclusion was from prop rotor divot spacing in loose sand and IR video feeds from an A10 at 10,000'.
The air force concluded that was hardly conclusive evidence in the face of the way-too-hot approach profile taken by the first chalk, in addition to absolutely no supporting evidence from the pax testimony and crew during descent.
Did the MH60 suffer an engine failure to bring it down? I havent read a single story detailing what happened exactly.
As to an engine failure....wasn't one of the explanations for the USAF CV-22 crash in Afghanistan a dual engine failure?
The air force concluded that was hardly conclusive evidence in the face of the way-too-hot approach profile taken by the first chalk, in addition to absolutely no supporting evidence from the pax testimony and crew during descent.
Did the MH60 suffer an engine failure to bring it down? I havent read a single story detailing what happened exactly.
The simple answer is the US Army opted out of the program early on for what was supposed to be "Cost Issues" and the effect it would have had on the Army's budget for acquiring and/or updating aircraft.
I submit they made entirely the correct decsision and "dollar costs" was not the only cost they saved by that decision.
At least the Army does not put all of its eggs into a single basket....but tailors its aircraft decisions to the mission rather than fitting mission set to the aircraft.
Nothing heard yet about the causes for the Blackhawk to park in the compound. That technique was used at Son Tay....deliberately writing off some aircraft to achieve surprise. I cannot think that was the case here.
I submit they made entirely the correct decsision and "dollar costs" was not the only cost they saved by that decision.
At least the Army does not put all of its eggs into a single basket....but tailors its aircraft decisions to the mission rather than fitting mission set to the aircraft.
Nothing heard yet about the causes for the Blackhawk to park in the compound. That technique was used at Son Tay....deliberately writing off some aircraft to achieve surprise. I cannot think that was the case here.
It is possible that during the fast rope drill the tail "hit something" and very shortly thereafter pilots had to put it down while still in control.
Other possibility is that while fast roping, something (fired) hit the tail, and once again, pilots had to put it down while still in control.
Other chances are a main rotor blade hit something (building? ) and the whole thing began to shake so they set it down.
Coulda been any number of things.
Other possibility is that while fast roping, something (fired) hit the tail, and once again, pilots had to put it down while still in control.
Other chances are a main rotor blade hit something (building? ) and the whole thing began to shake so they set it down.
Coulda been any number of things.
"Just a pilot"
Stopped at KDZJ for fuel...
and asked how the V22 refueling had gone there recently. Some strong language later, I was told that they'd sold $20,000 worth of fuel on a single stop, but the Marines had done $50,000 worth of damage. At my incredulous response, he pointed to the auto parking lot near the refuel pad. A week or so after the fact, lots of vehicles with plastic tarps taped over tops. The gravel in the margin of the pad and lot, blown by the rotorwash was reported to have done the damage.
