What's the latest news of the V22 Osprey?
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What exactly did he say to cover-up his errors? Sending this false info to his boss could get him fired and as you're aware, there's enough false info going around on the V-22 as it is! Please send what he said to his boss. Thanks comrade.
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Originally Posted by Dan Reno
Did Mr. Garcia respond to your call for a retraction or correction to his article
Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
Estimate: 160 delivered to date.
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The testing for that cited bloomberg report was done between may and june of 2009, whereas the article itself was from last month. He conveniently did not mention that fact, and worded his [smear] piece to inidicate that was the current situation, which is clearly not the case.
Dan, you lost me. 
What exactly did he say to cover-up his errors? Sending this false info to his boss could get him fired and as you're aware, there's enough false info going around on the V-22 as it is! Please send what he said to his boss. Thanks comrade.
The testing for that cited bloomberg report was done between may and june of 2009, whereas the article itself was from last month.
He conveniently did not mention that fact, and worded his [smear] piece to inidicate that was the current situation, which is clearly not the case.
He conveniently did not mention that fact, and worded his [smear] piece to inidicate that was the current situation, which is clearly not the case.
Standard journalist/pundit crap. Been reading rubbish like this since the F-18 first ran into various troubles early in its development cycle.
I believe the 70 % Readiness Rate applies to Block B aircraft from some accounts I have read. The Block A machines fall short of that number as they do not have the improvements that come standard on the Block B aircraft.
They achieve that level of Readiness by adopting the definition that the aircraft is Mission Ready so long as it can carry out just one of the multitude of possible missions.
The Army at Fort Rucker used to do the same sort of thing.....an aircraft was flyable if it could lift off the ground under its own power. A Chinook with a single engine attached to the airframe was thus deemed "flyable" for maintenance purposes and the civilian contractor met the terms of the contract for pay purposes.
They achieve that level of Readiness by adopting the definition that the aircraft is Mission Ready so long as it can carry out just one of the multitude of possible missions.
The Army at Fort Rucker used to do the same sort of thing.....an aircraft was flyable if it could lift off the ground under its own power. A Chinook with a single engine attached to the airframe was thus deemed "flyable" for maintenance purposes and the civilian contractor met the terms of the contract for pay purposes.
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What does this mean?
MV 167 delivered Feb 2011
OK, the Marines have taken delivery of 167 Ospreys. Is that right?
CV 1028 delivered Feb 2011
The USAF have taken delivery of One Thousand Twenty Eight Ospreys? Or Twenty Eight?
Obviously not, so, what do your numbers mean in plain English?
(edited for brevity)
That's a fleeting data point ... with a "since 9-11" caveat that means ... what?
*shrug*
A bit of noise and cheerleading from the Commandant, that's what I see. About par for the course. He's giving the troops an attaboy. That's a good thing.
When I flew new aircraft, they didn't crash as often as the older models. Still glad to see the V-22 doing well, since it has been a hell of a battle to get it to where it is today.
What does this mean?
MV 167 delivered Feb 2011
OK, the Marines have taken delivery of 167 Ospreys. Is that right?
CV 1028 delivered Feb 2011
The USAF have taken delivery of One Thousand Twenty Eight Ospreys? Or Twenty Eight?
Obviously not, so, what do your numbers mean in plain English?
(edited for brevity)
R 240403Z FEB 11 UNCLASSIFIED//
ALMAR 006/11
MSGID/GENADMIN/CMC WASHINGTON DC//
SUBJ/MV-22 100,000 FLIGHT HOUR MILESTONE//
GENTEXT/REMARKS/
... ON 10 FEBRUARY 2011, AN MV-22 SUPPORTING OPERATION ENDURING FREEDOM CROSSED THIS SIGNIFICANT AVIATION THRESHOLD. IT IS FITTING THAT THIS MILESTONE WAS ACHIEVED DURING COMBAT OPERATIONS IN AFGHANISTAN, GIVEN THE CONSTANT OPERATIONAL TEMPO THE OSPREY COMMUNITY HAS MAINTAINED SINCE ITS INCEPTION.
... AS A RESULT OF THE EFFORTS OF THE ENTIRE OSPREY COMMUNITY - AND MARINE AVIATION AS A WHOLE - THIS TRANSFORMATIONAL AIRCRAFT HAS ACHIEVED 100,000 TOTAL FLIGHT HOURS WHILE MAINTAINING THE LOWEST CLASS 'A' FLIGHT MISHAP RATE OF ANY USMC ROTORCRAFT SINCE 9/11. TO ALL THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE PLAYED A PART IN THE ACHIEVEMENT OF 100,000 FLIGHT HOURS, THANK YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS.
ALMAR 006/11
MSGID/GENADMIN/CMC WASHINGTON DC//
SUBJ/MV-22 100,000 FLIGHT HOUR MILESTONE//
GENTEXT/REMARKS/
... ON 10 FEBRUARY 2011, AN MV-22 SUPPORTING OPERATION ENDURING FREEDOM CROSSED THIS SIGNIFICANT AVIATION THRESHOLD. IT IS FITTING THAT THIS MILESTONE WAS ACHIEVED DURING COMBAT OPERATIONS IN AFGHANISTAN, GIVEN THE CONSTANT OPERATIONAL TEMPO THE OSPREY COMMUNITY HAS MAINTAINED SINCE ITS INCEPTION.
... AS A RESULT OF THE EFFORTS OF THE ENTIRE OSPREY COMMUNITY - AND MARINE AVIATION AS A WHOLE - THIS TRANSFORMATIONAL AIRCRAFT HAS ACHIEVED 100,000 TOTAL FLIGHT HOURS WHILE MAINTAINING THE LOWEST CLASS 'A' FLIGHT MISHAP RATE OF ANY USMC ROTORCRAFT SINCE 9/11. TO ALL THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE PLAYED A PART IN THE ACHIEVEMENT OF 100,000 FLIGHT HOURS, THANK YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS.
*shrug*
A bit of noise and cheerleading from the Commandant, that's what I see. About par for the course. He's giving the troops an attaboy. That's a good thing.
When I flew new aircraft, they didn't crash as often as the older models. Still glad to see the V-22 doing well, since it has been a hell of a battle to get it to where it is today.
I find those delivery figures hard to believe for the CV-22 unless they ramped up production this last year ? They only had 12 a year ago.
Also the Marine figures include the early aircraft which did not enter operational service?
Also the Marine figures include the early aircraft which did not enter operational service?
Lone,
It is obvious it means since the start of extended combat operations. Where Op Temps are significantly higher than peace time and conducted in significantly higher risk environments.
The Sultan
It is obvious it means since the start of extended combat operations. Where Op Temps are significantly higher than peace time and conducted in significantly higher risk environments.
The Sultan
Production MV (Marines) start at 0 so MV 167 is the 167th MV aircraft.
Aye.
Production CV (Air Force) start at 1000 so CV 1028 is the 28th CV Aircraft.
Thanks. Understand now.
911 means in 10 years.
Ten years from when? 9-11? That was in September of 2001, it is nine and a half years, almost, since the.
The largest majority of the 100,000 flight hours were achieved in the last couple of years performing missions. The prior years of development were necessary for an aircraft of this level of complexity.
No kidding?
I am sure you include the grounding ...(what was it, two years? )
They finally got to the point of saying... ok, this is it. Fly it, fix it, improve it and fly it some more. Now we are seeing the payoff.
Yes, which is what most of us expected would come to pass once "we" (the USN/USMC team) could get it into the field.
I was there when the first composite part was cured. I worked with a few of the men that lost their lives in it. Thankfully they did not die in vain.
None of us likes to lose our friends, but as they say, it's the nature of aviation.
I believe in service MV starts at around A/C 11 and CV around 5
You'd be in position to know, if you've been with the program for a while, but that sounds like a familiar number to me.
I got to take a peek at some airframes (IIRC it was numbers seven through eleven in various states of construction), and see two birds in the bounce pattern at the Fort Worth facility back in 98 / 99. Our host was Col Grimes, USMC, and DLA his office. We were actually there to discuss some OH-58 and UH-1 issues. However, being there, and being Fling Winged Flyers ourselves, we just had to see the new Rube Goldberg Flying Machine.
Colonel Grimes obliged us. I said then, and I say now: that's a pretty amazing bird.
@ Sultan:
Lone,
It is obvious it means since the start of extended combat operations. Where Op Temps are significantly higher than peace time and conducted in significantly higher risk environments.
Respectfully, no, it isn't obvious, though I am personally aware of what the op tempo does to aircraft risks and mishaps. You have to read into that to arrive at that meaning. I've read enough General Officer and Flag Officer noise blasts, even the ones meant to be encouraging, to not be particularly impressed with that form of communication.
Aye.
Production CV (Air Force) start at 1000 so CV 1028 is the 28th CV Aircraft.
Thanks. Understand now.
911 means in 10 years.
Ten years from when? 9-11? That was in September of 2001, it is nine and a half years, almost, since the.
The largest majority of the 100,000 flight hours were achieved in the last couple of years performing missions. The prior years of development were necessary for an aircraft of this level of complexity.
No kidding?
I am sure you include the grounding ...(what was it, two years? ) They finally got to the point of saying... ok, this is it. Fly it, fix it, improve it and fly it some more. Now we are seeing the payoff.
Yes, which is what most of us expected would come to pass once "we" (the USN/USMC team) could get it into the field.
I was there when the first composite part was cured. I worked with a few of the men that lost their lives in it. Thankfully they did not die in vain.
None of us likes to lose our friends, but as they say, it's the nature of aviation.
I believe in service MV starts at around A/C 11 and CV around 5
You'd be in position to know, if you've been with the program for a while, but that sounds like a familiar number to me.
I got to take a peek at some airframes (IIRC it was numbers seven through eleven in various states of construction), and see two birds in the bounce pattern at the Fort Worth facility back in 98 / 99. Our host was Col Grimes, USMC, and DLA his office. We were actually there to discuss some OH-58 and UH-1 issues. However, being there, and being Fling Winged Flyers ourselves, we just had to see the new Rube Goldberg Flying Machine.
Colonel Grimes obliged us. I said then, and I say now: that's a pretty amazing bird. @ Sultan:
Lone,
It is obvious it means since the start of extended combat operations. Where Op Temps are significantly higher than peace time and conducted in significantly higher risk environments.
Respectfully, no, it isn't obvious, though I am personally aware of what the op tempo does to aircraft risks and mishaps. You have to read into that to arrive at that meaning. I've read enough General Officer and Flag Officer noise blasts, even the ones meant to be encouraging, to not be particularly impressed with that form of communication.
It looks like a little bitty CIWS, upside down! 
Thought: what a nice little crowd control device for a NEO ...
Thought: what a nice little crowd control device for a NEO ...
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Originally Posted by heli1
So just how many V22s have been delivered so far?
Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
Estimate: 160 delivered to date.
Originally Posted by Ian Corrigible
Pretty close. Probably nearer to 150.
I/C
Thanks Ian!
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One Creature That Deserves Extinction: The V-22 Osprey
Sunday 13 March 2011
by: John Feffer | Foreign Policy in Focus | Op-Ed
V-22 Osprey conducting urban exercises in Virginia in 2009. Performance by the aircraft, which cost $100 million apiece, has been subpar, but the program was not included in the latest round of budget cuts. (Photo: Pete Souza / Official White House Photo)
Some animals should be endangered. Consider the V-22 Osprey. The tilt-rotor aircraft, which takes off like a helicopter but flies like a plane, costs more than a $100 million apiece, killed 30 personnel in crashes during its development stage, and survived four attempts by none other than Dick Cheney to deep-six the program. Although it is no longer as crash-prone as it once was, the Osprey's performance in Iraq was still sub-par and it remains a woefully expensive creature. Although canceling the program would save the U.S. government $10-12 billion over the next decade, the Osprey somehow avoided the budget axe in the latest round of cuts on Capitol Hill.
It's bad enough that U.S. taxpayers have to continue to support the care and feeding of this particular Osprey. Worse, we're inflicting the bird on others.
In a small village in the Yanbaru Forest in northern Okinawa, the residents of Takae have been fighting non-stop to prevent the construction of six helipads designed specifically for the V-22. The protests have been going on since the day in 2007 when Japanese construction crews tried to prepare the site for the helipads. "Since that day, over 10,000 locals, mainland Japanese, and foreign nationals have participated in a non-stop sit-in outside the planned helipad sites," writes Jon Mitchell at Foreign Policy In Focus. "So far, they've managed to thwart any further construction attempts. At small marquee tents, the villagers greet visitors with cups of tea and talk them through their campaign, highlighting their message with hand-written leaflets and water-stained maps."
It's all part of the plan that would shut down the aging Futenma air base in Okinawa, relocate some of the Marines to Guam, and build a new facility elsewhere in Okinawa. The overwhelming majority of Okinawans oppose this plan. They want to shut down Futenma, and they don't want any new U.S. military bases.
But the Japanese government has essentially knuckled under to U.S. pressure to move forward with the agreement. Building these helipads in a subtropical forest, with a wide range of unusual wildlife, is all part of the deal.
The recently re-elected Okinawan governor Hirokazu Nakaima opposes the relocation plan. And, according to Pacific Daily News, "Nakaima may actually have the authority to disrupt the plan because of his authority under the Japan Public Water Reclamation Act, which gives the Okinawa governor final authority over reclaimed land." Washington has said that it won't move forward on the deal without local support.
The Osprey is a budget-busting beast. The Okinawans don't want it. Both Tokyo and Washington are desperate to trim spending.
The V-22 is one animal well worth driving toward extinction.
Sunday 13 March 2011
by: John Feffer | Foreign Policy in Focus | Op-Ed
V-22 Osprey conducting urban exercises in Virginia in 2009. Performance by the aircraft, which cost $100 million apiece, has been subpar, but the program was not included in the latest round of budget cuts. (Photo: Pete Souza / Official White House Photo)
Some animals should be endangered. Consider the V-22 Osprey. The tilt-rotor aircraft, which takes off like a helicopter but flies like a plane, costs more than a $100 million apiece, killed 30 personnel in crashes during its development stage, and survived four attempts by none other than Dick Cheney to deep-six the program. Although it is no longer as crash-prone as it once was, the Osprey's performance in Iraq was still sub-par and it remains a woefully expensive creature. Although canceling the program would save the U.S. government $10-12 billion over the next decade, the Osprey somehow avoided the budget axe in the latest round of cuts on Capitol Hill.
It's bad enough that U.S. taxpayers have to continue to support the care and feeding of this particular Osprey. Worse, we're inflicting the bird on others.
In a small village in the Yanbaru Forest in northern Okinawa, the residents of Takae have been fighting non-stop to prevent the construction of six helipads designed specifically for the V-22. The protests have been going on since the day in 2007 when Japanese construction crews tried to prepare the site for the helipads. "Since that day, over 10,000 locals, mainland Japanese, and foreign nationals have participated in a non-stop sit-in outside the planned helipad sites," writes Jon Mitchell at Foreign Policy In Focus. "So far, they've managed to thwart any further construction attempts. At small marquee tents, the villagers greet visitors with cups of tea and talk them through their campaign, highlighting their message with hand-written leaflets and water-stained maps."
It's all part of the plan that would shut down the aging Futenma air base in Okinawa, relocate some of the Marines to Guam, and build a new facility elsewhere in Okinawa. The overwhelming majority of Okinawans oppose this plan. They want to shut down Futenma, and they don't want any new U.S. military bases.
But the Japanese government has essentially knuckled under to U.S. pressure to move forward with the agreement. Building these helipads in a subtropical forest, with a wide range of unusual wildlife, is all part of the deal.
The recently re-elected Okinawan governor Hirokazu Nakaima opposes the relocation plan. And, according to Pacific Daily News, "Nakaima may actually have the authority to disrupt the plan because of his authority under the Japan Public Water Reclamation Act, which gives the Okinawa governor final authority over reclaimed land." Washington has said that it won't move forward on the deal without local support.
The Osprey is a budget-busting beast. The Okinawans don't want it. Both Tokyo and Washington are desperate to trim spending.
The V-22 is one animal well worth driving toward extinction.
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I saw six of them take off in quick succession from palm beach international airport right over the shop.
2 of them had lights on the prop tips and looked really cool.
2 of them had lights on the prop tips and looked really cool.
Perhaps they will be used in Libya to land SpecOps forces....as this is a tailor made situation for that mission. How better to mark targets for precision bombs than by a ground force pointed Laser device.
Are not SF Troops trained to organize insurgents into viable fighting forces?
After all....they would not be landing in "hostile" LZ's now would they?
Are not SF Troops trained to organize insurgents into viable fighting forces?
After all....they would not be landing in "hostile" LZ's now would they?