What's going on at Goodwood?
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Originally Posted by Moet04
The Goodwood contract is not all it is cracked-up to be. With Goodwood demanding major sums of money for commission in return for the contract;
Sounds like tourist work downunder, in so called 'native title' areas where the hand is proffered - and not obliquely - well before the paper gets wet with ink.
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Atlas manage the amazing juggling act of keeping the customers and the staff happy at the same time. I've known Mike since we both started in the industry and Steve for a number of years. They deserve success, their work ethic is of the highest order and all dealings with them are a pleasure. Atlas is the company I miss from freelance days. I hope the current situation has not damaged them in any way.
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HERE HERE!! I AGREE............ Atlas have been hard done by and I personally wish them all the best.
If you want no frills, cheap and don't worry about the state of the aircraft and pilots,then Elite is the company for you. They are the Easy Jet of the helicopter industry and can only imagine, that like Stelios, money has ruled Goodwoods decision rather than quality of service.
Keep up the good work Atlas
If you want no frills, cheap and don't worry about the state of the aircraft and pilots,then Elite is the company for you. They are the Easy Jet of the helicopter industry and can only imagine, that like Stelios, money has ruled Goodwoods decision rather than quality of service.
Keep up the good work Atlas
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What a load of cobblers you lot talk. Maybe you should talk to a few other operators in the business to see how Elites reputation stands up against an operator who has done nothing but cause mayhem on the South Coast not to mention other areas of the country, try asking around and see how Atlas stand up in the industry for reputation of upsetting others and treading on toes.
In respect of quality of aircraft as far as I can recal not only did Elite have AS355, AS350 & EC120's working with them at the Festival in 2004 but they also had the S76 & A109 from Harrods carrying passengers for them. What better quality of Heli could you ask for. Further more as they had been successful for the previous 4 to 5 years at the Goodwood events and Atlas only managed to last for one maybe it is simply a fact that Goodwood's Management realised the error of their ways and simply reverted to the operator who had already proved themselves as best for the job. If I know Glenn & Sharon they will have been prepared to pay a fair price for this contract but not over the odds.
Moaning Moet asks why would Goodwood give the contract back to Elite and implies that they have a hold over Goodwood. Well maybe the question should be reversed and MM should be asking why Atlas LOST the contract. If Elite have a hold over Goodwood then they must be a ruddy powerful Company thats all I can say.
As for Equalisers comments I just hope none of Elites Pilots find out who that is. What a ruddy cheek of a comment about the calibre of pilots, I suggest he visits elite and looks at the pilot CV's, believe me there is some quality there, not recent licence holders fresh from Operations who think they know it all. Cheap No Frills Operation, hee hee thats a good one, if thats the case its surprising that Elite have lasted so long in such a vicious industry isnt it.
Surely Elite are subject to the same scrutiny as any other operator and as they seem to be seen at just about all of the Events I think they might just be getting something right.
My vote goes to Elite, well done guys & welcome back. May you long rule supreme at Goodwood, even if you did have to pay for it finacially this year and as a result of sculduggery last year. Personally I hope Atlas do go back to LOS with their tails between their legs and let the proffessionals get on with the job.
In respect of quality of aircraft as far as I can recal not only did Elite have AS355, AS350 & EC120's working with them at the Festival in 2004 but they also had the S76 & A109 from Harrods carrying passengers for them. What better quality of Heli could you ask for. Further more as they had been successful for the previous 4 to 5 years at the Goodwood events and Atlas only managed to last for one maybe it is simply a fact that Goodwood's Management realised the error of their ways and simply reverted to the operator who had already proved themselves as best for the job. If I know Glenn & Sharon they will have been prepared to pay a fair price for this contract but not over the odds.
Moaning Moet asks why would Goodwood give the contract back to Elite and implies that they have a hold over Goodwood. Well maybe the question should be reversed and MM should be asking why Atlas LOST the contract. If Elite have a hold over Goodwood then they must be a ruddy powerful Company thats all I can say.
As for Equalisers comments I just hope none of Elites Pilots find out who that is. What a ruddy cheek of a comment about the calibre of pilots, I suggest he visits elite and looks at the pilot CV's, believe me there is some quality there, not recent licence holders fresh from Operations who think they know it all. Cheap No Frills Operation, hee hee thats a good one, if thats the case its surprising that Elite have lasted so long in such a vicious industry isnt it.
Surely Elite are subject to the same scrutiny as any other operator and as they seem to be seen at just about all of the Events I think they might just be getting something right.
My vote goes to Elite, well done guys & welcome back. May you long rule supreme at Goodwood, even if you did have to pay for it finacially this year and as a result of sculduggery last year. Personally I hope Atlas do go back to LOS with their tails between their legs and let the proffessionals get on with the job.
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Captain Universe??? Captain Arse more like.
You appear not to quite have a grasp of the situation do you?
Atlas were awarded the 2005 contract after a fair tender and Elite have won the contract again after anothr tender...... simple! Atlas performed admirably in 2005 and the 2006 contract was awarded purely based on financial matters. That comes from the top in Goodwood.
I personally fly for several AOC Operations and have heard nothing bad regarding Atlas. I do not know which circles you travel, maybe a change is in order however. Treading on toes...... surely all new operators do that to existing companies when setting up!! GROW UP!!
The problem at Goodwood is that they have an operator which is desperate for the Goodwood work to survive. Atlas has a much stronger customer base and can quite happily and easily survive without it. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it Captain Arse.
Having heard some of the spiteful rubbish spread by you; are you sure you are getting enough sex???
You appear not to quite have a grasp of the situation do you?
Atlas were awarded the 2005 contract after a fair tender and Elite have won the contract again after anothr tender...... simple! Atlas performed admirably in 2005 and the 2006 contract was awarded purely based on financial matters. That comes from the top in Goodwood.
I personally fly for several AOC Operations and have heard nothing bad regarding Atlas. I do not know which circles you travel, maybe a change is in order however. Treading on toes...... surely all new operators do that to existing companies when setting up!! GROW UP!!
The problem at Goodwood is that they have an operator which is desperate for the Goodwood work to survive. Atlas has a much stronger customer base and can quite happily and easily survive without it. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it Captain Arse.
Having heard some of the spiteful rubbish spread by you; are you sure you are getting enough sex???
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Oooooh I really got to you didnt I MM. GOOD.
Firstly I get plenty thanks, but nice of you to show your concern in this area. As for the rest of your comment I am really pleased to have p----d you off so much. Just go back and review this whole thread and look at the injustice that has been put at Elites door over the past 6 to 8 months by various persons, thoughout this Elite seem to have kept their heads down, kept clean, got on with the job and come up trumps at the end of the day. Good On Them, they have my full support even if they do not have yours or anyone elses. How do you know it was a fair tender last year, how do you know what went on this year, what makes you think Elite have paid over the odds, what I do know is that Elite has succeeded where others have failed and I think that speaks for itself. To me it sounds as though this thread has been turned into a Whine Making Session with Sour Grapes. Booh Hoo Hoo.
As for me personally well I know the circles I move in and I think they are probably a lot nicer than yours.
Oh by the way what happened to the Three year contract that Atlas 'supposedly' had. Oh sorry I shoudnt be so nasty should I.
And I am really sorry but I dont smoke so can't even consider the pipe.
Nighty Night MM
Firstly I get plenty thanks, but nice of you to show your concern in this area. As for the rest of your comment I am really pleased to have p----d you off so much. Just go back and review this whole thread and look at the injustice that has been put at Elites door over the past 6 to 8 months by various persons, thoughout this Elite seem to have kept their heads down, kept clean, got on with the job and come up trumps at the end of the day. Good On Them, they have my full support even if they do not have yours or anyone elses. How do you know it was a fair tender last year, how do you know what went on this year, what makes you think Elite have paid over the odds, what I do know is that Elite has succeeded where others have failed and I think that speaks for itself. To me it sounds as though this thread has been turned into a Whine Making Session with Sour Grapes. Booh Hoo Hoo.
As for me personally well I know the circles I move in and I think they are probably a lot nicer than yours.
Oh by the way what happened to the Three year contract that Atlas 'supposedly' had. Oh sorry I shoudnt be so nasty should I.
And I am really sorry but I dont smoke so can't even consider the pipe.
Nighty Night MM
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I don't think I will be taking it up if it was an offer though EESDL as I think I know where he would like to stuff it up me, as he did seem to like to keep on about my A--e.
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You seem a tad upset about the shinanigans at Goodwood!!! I think a lot more upset than the guys at Atlas after speaking to them!!
Your earlier comments regarding 'treading on toes' and 'causing mayhem on the South Coast'. Would you like to enlighten us all on what you mean? I didn' realise Atlas were the malitious, rampaging and mayhem causing kind.
Or
Maybe just some jealousy creaping in from certain areas as there is an operator on the South Coast who does things by the book ( i.e. not operating single engine helis over central Portmouth filming at 400-500 feet agl ).
hmmmm...
Your earlier comments regarding 'treading on toes' and 'causing mayhem on the South Coast'. Would you like to enlighten us all on what you mean? I didn' realise Atlas were the malitious, rampaging and mayhem causing kind.
Or
Maybe just some jealousy creaping in from certain areas as there is an operator on the South Coast who does things by the book ( i.e. not operating single engine helis over central Portmouth filming at 400-500 feet agl ).
hmmmm...
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Captain Universe, I am going to take a wild stab in the dark and say you are on Elites payroll!
If this is correct then please have some dignity! I don't recall Atlas bad mouthing Elite last year when they won the contract, nor did they insist on being the sole operator on the airfield (being scared of the oposition!!!???).
Learn something from their book please and have some dignity............ contracts are won and lost all the time, but your conduct is uncalled for!
If this is correct then please have some dignity! I don't recall Atlas bad mouthing Elite last year when they won the contract, nor did they insist on being the sole operator on the airfield (being scared of the oposition!!!???).
Learn something from their book please and have some dignity............ contracts are won and lost all the time, but your conduct is uncalled for!
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Having read through this thread I think that more than one person could follow your comments above Equaliser. IMHO yourself included. Mud slinging is all to easy
Every operator I have had any contact with has 'bent' the rules to a greater or lesser extent and on some of those occasions it's been the pilots themselves that have been responsible rather than the company owners.
I fail to see how Goodwood Estates attitude is the responsibility of Elite, but I'm willing to be enlightened. For 2005 three companies tendered for the work: Atlas, Elite and FAST. The reasons are immaterial, on that occasion Atlas won. 2006 comes along and the same three tender, on this occasion Elite win. I call that healthy competition
If Elite are so desperate for the work (and I wouldn't agree) it's to their credit that their business has continued as per normal and that the company has grown. Or have you not seen their 109?
This industry always amazes me. For every great person you encounter there's always atleast two you're glad you don't work with
Every operator I have had any contact with has 'bent' the rules to a greater or lesser extent and on some of those occasions it's been the pilots themselves that have been responsible rather than the company owners.
I fail to see how Goodwood Estates attitude is the responsibility of Elite, but I'm willing to be enlightened. For 2005 three companies tendered for the work: Atlas, Elite and FAST. The reasons are immaterial, on that occasion Atlas won. 2006 comes along and the same three tender, on this occasion Elite win. I call that healthy competition
If Elite are so desperate for the work (and I wouldn't agree) it's to their credit that their business has continued as per normal and that the company has grown. Or have you not seen their 109?
This industry always amazes me. For every great person you encounter there's always atleast two you're glad you don't work with
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Whilst everyone seems to remember the "rumour" part of pprune well enough, it would seem from this thread that the "professional" part is too easily forgotten. Any normal person reading this would have thought that the pilot's children have taken over the asylum....can we raise the bar a little.
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Lefthanddown;
Maybe rather than raise the bar we should all just go to one instead. Amazing just how bitchy this business can get.
Accusations of trampling on peoples feet and causing chaos on the south coast countered with question marks over the standard of aircraft/pilots used by the other operator are so infantile I would hope that the people who made them are not flying paying customers around.
Elite got the contract, that is the decision of the Goodwood Estate. Atlas will continue to grow and be succesful. They are two very different companies. Personally my loyalties lie with Atlas who I have worked with, for and alongside for years as well as knowing them as friends. This thread is damaging to our industry and probably damn near slanderous/libellous to the companies involved. Maybe its' time the mods stepped in before things go too far.
Maybe rather than raise the bar we should all just go to one instead. Amazing just how bitchy this business can get.
Accusations of trampling on peoples feet and causing chaos on the south coast countered with question marks over the standard of aircraft/pilots used by the other operator are so infantile I would hope that the people who made them are not flying paying customers around.
Elite got the contract, that is the decision of the Goodwood Estate. Atlas will continue to grow and be succesful. They are two very different companies. Personally my loyalties lie with Atlas who I have worked with, for and alongside for years as well as knowing them as friends. This thread is damaging to our industry and probably damn near slanderous/libellous to the companies involved. Maybe its' time the mods stepped in before things go too far.
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Originally Posted by Lefthanddown
Whilst everyone seems to remember the "rumour" part of pprune well enough, it would seem from this thread that the "professional" part is too easily forgotten. Any normal person reading this would have thought that the pilot's children have taken over the asylum....can we raise the bar a little.
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why dont we organise a charity boxing match (involving masked ppruners in the ring) hence keeping the identities still unknown and raise some money at the same time, that`ll be a spiffing night.
Sounds like a great idea....... especially knowing the person in question at Atlas who Captain Universe refers to in his thread as 'an ex Ops person who knows it all'.
Knowing the person at Atlas to whom he is almost certainly referrring to, that person would on finding out CU's comments would very much like to meet him. Being a firey Scotsman with a reputation of a short fuse.....good luck CU if he finds out who you are!!! I might just get him to read all this c..p to see his response....
By the way CU....... He probably does know it all as he has been in Ops / Management for some 18-20 years and I know several ex Ops persons who have become pilots and all are very capable!!!
Jealousy??????
Sounds like a great idea....... especially knowing the person in question at Atlas who Captain Universe refers to in his thread as 'an ex Ops person who knows it all'.
Knowing the person at Atlas to whom he is almost certainly referrring to, that person would on finding out CU's comments would very much like to meet him. Being a firey Scotsman with a reputation of a short fuse.....good luck CU if he finds out who you are!!! I might just get him to read all this c..p to see his response....
By the way CU....... He probably does know it all as he has been in Ops / Management for some 18-20 years and I know several ex Ops persons who have become pilots and all are very capable!!!
Jealousy??????
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Originally Posted by Moet04
I have also heard that Goodwood have not only asked Atlas to leave the airfield but also CEGA who have been there for 30 years. Sounds like the airfield is being turned into a business park involving non-aviation businesses as their hangar is being turned into offices!!
They've only been at Goodwood since 1997 though. The company started out at Shoreham. I worked for CEGA for nearly two years, and left them on extremely good terms with the offer of going back whenever I wanted. However, when I called a couple of months ago to follow this up, I was told that the company was undergoing a restructure, and that they would not be taking on anywhere near as many new staff as they had done in the past.
There was no mention that they were leaving Goodwood, though. I'm amazed, and I'd be really interested to know the reasons behind it. Their air ambulance fleet is based there (or at least it was all the time that Goodwood was their HQ, I don't know if this is still the case). It's a shame. It's such a nice place to work, especially this time of year.
