No more postings from SPS either!
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No more postings from SPS either!
Hoverman -
Basic economic facts -
I have spent $NZ 38,000 on equipment and every spare minute for the last two years either researching or working on the content of that which you claim should not be mentioned.....
To date I have grossed $NZ 6,000 in sales.
It was not written to make money and probably never will in a low circulation market. I have failed to get a publisher to take it on as they either want to give me US$1 in royalty (72,000 copies must be sold to get my money back)or declined it because the market is too small.
Many will attest that I have given copies away (50 at print cost of $NZ 118 per copy)in the hope that it may do some good. Some of the content is even given away free...
Which brings me to the website.
The website is NOT commercial per se, and costs me in the order of $NZ 4,000 PA, plus the work of providing the content. I do NOT get paid per 'Hit'. The quiz section alone does a lot for PPL safety (proven by the amount of marking requests I get from all over the globe)and the only chances I have of getting some revenue in to defray those associated costs are (a) to try and get a few selected advertisers to contribute to that(which has hiterto failed) and (b) to sell the book...
However, the site is crammed with free links to all sorts of information sites (including this one)that must benefit (a) the user and (b) the owners of those linked sites.
Ouf of the 2,700 visits the site has had had since 20/01/01 It has sold ONE copy of the book.
I do not beleive that the small amount of
commercial benefit to me(if any, considering the above) negates what I have put into this forum.
Finally, on the whole, I have enjoyed my particpation in Rotorheads and gained an awful lot from a large number of contributors, for which I am thankful.
Hoverman,
Your post is offensive, yet successful.
Groan no longer.If you carry on at this rate there will be yourself and Helidrvr left (and both of you earn money from Avaition!)
Bye!
Basic economic facts -
I have spent $NZ 38,000 on equipment and every spare minute for the last two years either researching or working on the content of that which you claim should not be mentioned.....
To date I have grossed $NZ 6,000 in sales.
It was not written to make money and probably never will in a low circulation market. I have failed to get a publisher to take it on as they either want to give me US$1 in royalty (72,000 copies must be sold to get my money back)or declined it because the market is too small.
Many will attest that I have given copies away (50 at print cost of $NZ 118 per copy)in the hope that it may do some good. Some of the content is even given away free...
Which brings me to the website.
The website is NOT commercial per se, and costs me in the order of $NZ 4,000 PA, plus the work of providing the content. I do NOT get paid per 'Hit'. The quiz section alone does a lot for PPL safety (proven by the amount of marking requests I get from all over the globe)and the only chances I have of getting some revenue in to defray those associated costs are (a) to try and get a few selected advertisers to contribute to that(which has hiterto failed) and (b) to sell the book...
However, the site is crammed with free links to all sorts of information sites (including this one)that must benefit (a) the user and (b) the owners of those linked sites.
Ouf of the 2,700 visits the site has had had since 20/01/01 It has sold ONE copy of the book.
I do not beleive that the small amount of
commercial benefit to me(if any, considering the above) negates what I have put into this forum.
Finally, on the whole, I have enjoyed my particpation in Rotorheads and gained an awful lot from a large number of contributors, for which I am thankful.
Hoverman,
Your post is offensive, yet successful.
Groan no longer.If you carry on at this rate there will be yourself and Helidrvr left (and both of you earn money from Avaition!)
Bye!
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SPS:
Don't let the feeble minded get you down.
You have to think to yourself, if that's what his opinion is then let him have it.
If everyone stopped posting because they didn't like what one person said, then PPRuNe would be a pretty quiet place.
I log in, read the posts, and if I don't like them then I move on.
I have learned so much over the last few months since discovering PPRuNe and it's only because of people like yourself who bother to take the time out to answer questions, post useful information etc.
There are a lot of good people within this group and to stop posting would be mad.
If certain individuals are becoming a pain, then just don't reply to any of their new topics.
Don't let the feeble minded get you down.
You have to think to yourself, if that's what his opinion is then let him have it.
If everyone stopped posting because they didn't like what one person said, then PPRuNe would be a pretty quiet place.
I log in, read the posts, and if I don't like them then I move on.
I have learned so much over the last few months since discovering PPRuNe and it's only because of people like yourself who bother to take the time out to answer questions, post useful information etc.
There are a lot of good people within this group and to stop posting would be mad.
If certain individuals are becoming a pain, then just don't reply to any of their new topics.
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SPS
I've just read Hoverman's post and, try as I might, I really can't see anything offensive in it. He phrased it in the politest possible way, stressing that he hoped his opinion wouldn't cause offence, and gently made a suggestion. He didn't even mention your name although, because I'd also noticed quite a few 'links', I realised who he meant. He even complimented you on your interesting posts. You may think his comment was unjustified, but he was only expressing his opinion.
Standing back as a neutral objective observer, I don't think either what Hoverman said, or the way he said it, can fairly be called offensive.
If you are determined to leave, that must be your decision, but I hope you'll reconsider.
I'm sure you didn't mean it this way, but your post could be misinterpreted as 'taking your bat and ball home' because someone's said something you disagree with. As Helimutt says, if everyone did that on a discussion forum, there'd be no discussion forum!
You and Hoverman BOTH make valuable contributions to Rotorheads discussions and it's a shame to see you fall out.
Least said soonest mended?
I hope you'll reconsider.
[This message has been edited by nomdeplume (edited 13 March 2001).]
I've just read Hoverman's post and, try as I might, I really can't see anything offensive in it. He phrased it in the politest possible way, stressing that he hoped his opinion wouldn't cause offence, and gently made a suggestion. He didn't even mention your name although, because I'd also noticed quite a few 'links', I realised who he meant. He even complimented you on your interesting posts. You may think his comment was unjustified, but he was only expressing his opinion.
Standing back as a neutral objective observer, I don't think either what Hoverman said, or the way he said it, can fairly be called offensive.
If you are determined to leave, that must be your decision, but I hope you'll reconsider.
I'm sure you didn't mean it this way, but your post could be misinterpreted as 'taking your bat and ball home' because someone's said something you disagree with. As Helimutt says, if everyone did that on a discussion forum, there'd be no discussion forum!
You and Hoverman BOTH make valuable contributions to Rotorheads discussions and it's a shame to see you fall out.
Least said soonest mended?
I hope you'll reconsider.
[This message has been edited by nomdeplume (edited 13 March 2001).]
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concur fully with nondeplume (or whatever it is!!)
Don't be so touchy SPS...I thought you were made of sterner stuff..
I enjoy your contributions enormously. Don't get worked up, the vast majority here are solid contributors. let's keep emotion out of it, eh?
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Don't be so touchy SPS...I thought you were made of sterner stuff..
I enjoy your contributions enormously. Don't get worked up, the vast majority here are solid contributors. let's keep emotion out of it, eh?
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Thermal runaway.
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In response to posted and private mails -
YES - I agree that I have overreacted.
- I have had private mail(abusive)over the last two weeks which were the cause of my reaction to HM's post.
- Other things are going on for me right now which I should not have allowed to affect my judgement.
- I agree that emotion should be kept 'out of it'.
- I think I made a mistake and am not afraid to admit it.
NO - I do not understand the 'rules' that allow a contributor (for instance) to post links to a useful information site (extremely valuable in my opinion, eg. the NASA site) when it is someone else's but not if it is their own....
- I do not see how I can continue when the rules (unwritten) appear to be arbitrary.
- I do not intend to upset anyone else and only intend to 'spread the gospel' on many safety issues that I think are important.
SPS
YES - I agree that I have overreacted.
- I have had private mail(abusive)over the last two weeks which were the cause of my reaction to HM's post.
- Other things are going on for me right now which I should not have allowed to affect my judgement.
- I agree that emotion should be kept 'out of it'.
- I think I made a mistake and am not afraid to admit it.
NO - I do not understand the 'rules' that allow a contributor (for instance) to post links to a useful information site (extremely valuable in my opinion, eg. the NASA site) when it is someone else's but not if it is their own....
- I do not see how I can continue when the rules (unwritten) appear to be arbitrary.
- I do not intend to upset anyone else and only intend to 'spread the gospel' on many safety issues that I think are important.
SPS
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Intended to respond yesterday but unable to do so due to telephone line problems.
No, certainly not from Hoverman and didn't think so for a minute, or intend to infer it.
Apologies due if it seemed than way.
Would much prefer to leave this thread and this week behind if that's OK.
No, certainly not from Hoverman and didn't think so for a minute, or intend to infer it.
Apologies due if it seemed than way.
Would much prefer to leave this thread and this week behind if that's OK.
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To SPS
NO - I do not understand the 'rules' that allow a contributor (for instance) to post links to a useful information site (extremely valuable in my opinion, eg. the NASA site) when it is someone else's but not if it is their own....
- I do not see how I can continue when the rules (unwritten) appear to be arbitrary.
The last time I checked, I was the keeper of this forum, such as it is. Let me be emphatic about this, there are NO RULES other than those unwritten ones of polite and inoffensive discourse.
What we do have is my policy of "laissez faire" or "don't fix it if it ain't broke". I grant you that this policy is of course arbitrarily mine. That's what I have been appointed to do. The way I arbitrate however is basically reactive, i.e. I listen to the input received from those who care to give an opinion and then I make MY decision. Benevolent dictatorship?
I run the risk of course of listening to the wrong crowd and stepping right into the proverbial cow pie. Some of you remember the mil controversy which erupted early in my tenure - an object lesson.
Now to the matter at hand - posts promoting commercial activities. My heretofore never published policy has two elements. First, to step in only when things get out of hand. Second, to allow tasteful alerts from those who have a commercial product or service which is related to what we do. No, no, not griping and bitching - playing with the greatest toy ever invented by man. So far, there have never been attempts to sell timeshare vacations, obscene pictures of naked helicopters or other unmentionables.
So this advertizing issue is one of those situations I love best: To find that I have created for myself a policy which allows me to do nothing about the fact that the bad guys are doing nothing either.
Bottom line, keep on advertizing until I clamp down on you for all the dirty pictures in your book!
Cheers
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You are welcome to visit HELIDRVR here
[This message has been edited by helidrvr (edited 15 March 2001).]
NO - I do not understand the 'rules' that allow a contributor (for instance) to post links to a useful information site (extremely valuable in my opinion, eg. the NASA site) when it is someone else's but not if it is their own....
- I do not see how I can continue when the rules (unwritten) appear to be arbitrary.
The last time I checked, I was the keeper of this forum, such as it is. Let me be emphatic about this, there are NO RULES other than those unwritten ones of polite and inoffensive discourse.
What we do have is my policy of "laissez faire" or "don't fix it if it ain't broke". I grant you that this policy is of course arbitrarily mine. That's what I have been appointed to do. The way I arbitrate however is basically reactive, i.e. I listen to the input received from those who care to give an opinion and then I make MY decision. Benevolent dictatorship?
I run the risk of course of listening to the wrong crowd and stepping right into the proverbial cow pie. Some of you remember the mil controversy which erupted early in my tenure - an object lesson.
Now to the matter at hand - posts promoting commercial activities. My heretofore never published policy has two elements. First, to step in only when things get out of hand. Second, to allow tasteful alerts from those who have a commercial product or service which is related to what we do. No, no, not griping and bitching - playing with the greatest toy ever invented by man. So far, there have never been attempts to sell timeshare vacations, obscene pictures of naked helicopters or other unmentionables.
So this advertizing issue is one of those situations I love best: To find that I have created for myself a policy which allows me to do nothing about the fact that the bad guys are doing nothing either.
Bottom line, keep on advertizing until I clamp down on you for all the dirty pictures in your book!
Cheers
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You are welcome to visit HELIDRVR here
[This message has been edited by helidrvr (edited 15 March 2001).]
