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Old 1st Aug 2007, 05:31
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R44 Technical Information

Where can I get hold of a tech manual for the 44? I have a Pilot's Operating Handbook, but I want more depth of knowledge, and some self-study is in order. Cheers, WW
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Old 1st Aug 2007, 14:10
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LOL That's a good one!!

Sorry, the one about Ford and mercedes, I got into this thread about 4 years late!
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Old 2nd Aug 2007, 07:21
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I don't have a lot of R44 time - maybe 50 hours on the older types (Astro, Raven I) but I did get to fly a Raven across the US a couple years ago with a very experienced pilot in the co-joe seat. Never did it occur to me to apply any cyclic friction at all - it just didn't seem necessary - and we're talking 10-12 hours per day over two days, over widely varying terrain and wx conditions.

Maybe that was a particularly well-balanced ship?

Dave Blevins
USA
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Old 2nd Jan 2008, 04:52
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R44 Cross hire rates in Oz

Looking for some clues on long term cross hire rates for clipper I or II down under. Any advice / comments appreciated.

Ray
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Old 2nd Jan 2008, 05:33
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R44 rates

from a pretty reliable source, R44's start round $700 per engine hour and go up from there. hope this helps...
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Old 2nd Jan 2008, 06:21
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R44 rates

It's a start. I probably should have been more specific with the question

Looking for dry hire rate, insurance + maintenance paid by owner all other costs (fuels / oil / fee and charges) borne by hirer and also a quick note about with or without GST (gotta know wether to factor in Kevin's 10%!!!)

cheers

Ray
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Old 2nd Jan 2008, 06:31
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How many hours per month are you looking for?
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Old 2nd Jan 2008, 06:35
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insurance payable by owner

not too sure how many operators out there would pay insurance without their pilots flying...

anyway dry hire approx $400-500 per hour..
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Old 16th Jan 2008, 10:15
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Starting a Raven II

Just looking for a bit of advice on starting my Raven II. The guy I bought it from told me mixture full and rich, prime for 5 secs, mixture pulled out , turn over engine and as it starts mixture full and rich. If I do this it never starts first time, however if I repeat this exact process it always starts secong time. I have tried priming longer but seems to make no difference. Its not really a big problem for me but sometimes my passengers look a little apprehensive when it doesn't start first time. Its always kept in a heated hanger although sometimes doesn't fly for a week or two. Any thoughts? Thanks.
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Old 16th Jan 2008, 13:22
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bvgs

All but 1 hour of my flying so far has been on the R22 but that 1 hour was in an R44 raven II. I clearly remember the instructor ( one of Heli-Air's high hours team on R44's) letting me do the start and making me prime for 10 seconds but otherwise following your exact proceedure described. It started with no problem.

What does the POH say?

Try 10 seconds and see?

Good luck.

Ian.
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Old 16th Jan 2008, 13:39
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So, this will then be my first post, after reading here for quite a while, ive got about 30 hours on raven 2 and I can only say that 5 seconds of priming was allways enough, but i learned that you shut push in the mixture quite fast while starting, not directly full rich, but also not too smooth. In comparison to the raven 1 it seems that the raven 2 just doesnt startup that nice but otherwise it flys way nicer
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Old 16th Jan 2008, 13:57
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bvgs,

does the aux fuel pump light go out when you prime for 5 seconds?

the procedure i recall is as you describe but you should note the the light goes out.

regards

CF
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Old 16th Jan 2008, 14:41
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Prime for 10/12 seconds from cold in winter

If no joy on first attempt prime for about 5 seconds on second start

If you have try again do so without priming

In summer reduce first prime to about 8 seconds

Have been operating a Raven 11 for over 3 years and usually manage to start on first hit

Regards

AV
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Old 16th Jan 2008, 14:42
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The way i know, Prime for 5 second full rich.

Then pull to lean.

Press the start button and move swiftly to full rich.
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Old 16th Jan 2008, 15:23
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Starting a Raven II

I have had a Raven II for 2.5 years and had difficulty starting until an old timer gave me the two following techniques.

For a cold engine (first start of the day),
Push the mixture in full
Prime for 5 sec after the light goes out.
LEAVE the mixture full in and push the start. Motor should start quickly

For a hot or warm engine (even if the engine has been sitting for a few hours since the last flight)
Push the mixture in full
Prime for ONLY a second or two after the light goes out.
Pull the mixture out
Push the starter and slowly push the mixture in while cranking. When you hear the engine cough, quickly push the mixture the rest of the way in.
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Old 16th Jan 2008, 22:35
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I always used to get the thing to go one the second try also. Some times it was just a pig though. I seem to remember it firing better with the mixture half in. Failing that, crank whilst pushing in and out!
Fuel injection is a pain in the arse - and should be better in this day and age.
It doesn't do much for passenger confidence either when the motor doesn't want to play the game.
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Old 16th Jan 2008, 22:49
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Just Follow The Robinson Official Handbook Instructions
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Old 16th Jan 2008, 23:42
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we have had R44 Raven IIs for 2.5 years now, the starting procedure i was taught was exactly that, follow the robinson flight manual. however all 3 of our machines are at different hours and all start slightly different.

but sometimes they wont start straight up... its the nature of machinery. we do a lot of tourism and the only thing my passengers have ever said about the R44s is the clutch engaging.. now that noise is not great for first time passengers...
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 07:04
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Many thanks to all who contributed to this. When the winds die down and the sun shines I'll give the various senario's a go.

Cotton Eye Joe, I would never have thought to do what it says in "The Robinson Official Handbook Instructions". By that I assume you mean the POH and if you do then, that is exactly the process I described but thanks for the advice DUH!!!!
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 11:26
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POH

I follow the POH and it seems fine I fly self-hire so evry flight is a different R44.

He is a photo of a Young eagles day we held last year at White Waltham.

quite a few flights in one day flying Scouts and Sea Scouts.

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