Converting your log book?

[L'WAAPAM]

Hi All,

Simple really, but just wanted to get some views.

Got a military log book. Is it prudent to start a civillian log book (ie transfer the HRS) or would you continue in your military one?

The military one still has space for 2nd pilot(the new ones dont, APACHE, OOPS) or should I get a spanglie new one.

Tempted with the new one, new start and all that, is there a varification problem anyone knows of?

Cheers

Keep on trucking

L'

[paco]

Still using a clone of my old military one - you just need to make sure the info required by the ANO is there (address, etc).

Actually, your question is a good one - I was thinking of resurrecting the clones I printed years ago because I needed a new log book and couldn't find one myself. Would there be any takers these days? Especially in view of the latest man-management techiniques in the AAC?

Phil

[Genghis the Engineer]

Yes, for several reasons.

(1) Your military flying has validity to any civil flying you do, but the reverse is not true. So having a common record of military + civil is useful.

(2) Military time flights from take-off to landing, civil world times flights from brakes-off to brakes-on. So, the flight times for your military and civil records are different. (okay, more relevant to a fixed than rotary pilots).

(3) It's just plain nice to have a record of all of your flying in one place.


It's worth doing a bit of shopping around to find the logbook that does this best, no logbook is genuinely expensive, and it's worth finding the one that does the job for you best.

G

[L'WAAPAM]

Ghengis,

So your in favour of starting a fresh?

I know log books are probably the least expense when leaving the mob.

And it does make the break "OFFICIAL" well in my eyes anyway!!

L'

OOOPS GHENGIS

just read your post properly, Understood, OUT!!!!

[VeeAny]

I've never even seen a Mil logbook, however FCL-2 has a suggested spec for the logbook, it may be prudent to have a look at it, and see how similar they are.

Not available in the on-line version if I remember correctly. So you'll have to find someone who has a paper copy or paid for the .pdf version.

Genghis civvie (H) logbooks, should be skids off - rotor stop, (which is not what FCL-2 says), what the ANO says.

V.

[handysnaks]

Been out since 89, still using a mil logbook

[whoateallthepies]

Left in '84 and bought a brand new shiny CAA log book.
It felt right for a new start and leaving the old mob behind.

Others,like handysnaks, stick with the old. It's up to you.

[soggyboxers]

I just carried on with the same one when I left and as I had a spare one, I used that next so I didn't have a 'civil' logbook until I had been out of the military for a few years. As long as whatever you use has the necessary information for the rules of whichever country's rules you're operating under it's not a problem.

[jbrereton]

Logbook

Get a civilian log book. Look on it as a new chapter in your life.

[check]

I left in '72 and am on my 4th Mil log book. I have held licences from 4 totaly diverse countries and so far have not had any problems when asked to produce my log books, or have I just been lucky?. Of course the other problem is getting hold of the said books when all your contacts are long gone.

[L'WAAPAM]

Thank You

Thanks for all your replies,

Still want to start a "Civillian"/New book because I think it will give a sense of "NEWNESS" (is that a word?)

I agree with the ex MIL types that the OLD mil log book is good but how did you guys transfer/update section 1/2 as mine are as good as full? Im looking at starting a new MIL one because of this and also the new MIL log book is a bag of $hit. (alledgedly)

Ive already had some advice on how to convert hours from Mil to CIV ie: transfer all hours to start of new log book and get them verified.

Anyone done it different/come against any obstacles/ any hitches?

Thanks

L'

[Agaricus bisporus]

Doesn't matter a damn I reckon, do what you feel suits you. All logbooks seem to record the required data, yet many civvie ones include nonsense like T/O and landing times which seems excessively pedantic and unnecessary. Also wraps you up in reams of creative accounting to check your night hours accurate if crosschecked (the old problem of providing too much information)

I kept my Mil logbook with suitable references to NAAB under the double red lines and had no problems whatever through many submissions to the CAA. In fact I get the impression that a mil logbook carries a bit more gravitas than some of the plasticky Civ ones.

All my civ hours are in decimal. All are one line per airframe per day. How the hell could you write a line per sector when pleasure flying or on the rigs in helos, as many do in FW ops, even writing TO and landing times!

My second Mil book came from a surplus store - try a google search on the military form reference, the old one contains 7000+hrs.

It doesn't really seem to matter as long as it is honest.

[VeeAny]

And you do of course have the option of keeping it electronically and having it do all the work.

Handy when you need a total of say instructional hours teaching ex 27 (instruments) or somesuch strange query.

I know a lot of people really don't like the idea of an electronic logbook, but If you print out the last page once a week, and file it when the page is full then you still have a hard copy.

I've done the last four years without writing a single thing apart from my signature on the bottom of each page.

Can also be labour saving if you only work for one company and can extract the flight hours from their computer system, you can end up not even typing in your logook.

V.

[L'WAAPAM]

VeeAny

What type/make of electonic log book do you use?

I'm assuming that it is accepted by the various sky police around the world(CAA/JAA/FAA)?

Thanks

L'

[VeeAny]

L'

My previous life was as a software developer, so I use one that I designed myself, that I can mod as I need it, It may get released one day, if I ever get the time to write a manual for it.

The CAA certainly accept it they insist that each page is signed with a declaration that it is is a true and accurate record. http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/LASORS2005.PDF?page=37

LASORS has a section on recording flight time / logbooks it is online at
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/LASORS2005.PDF?page=48

I don't know about FAA, but I can't see a problem as you are not giving them the computerised version, just hard copies of same.

There are a few electronic logbooks out there, some of which aren't bad. I've never spent enough time with any of them to remember the names of the products though.


V.

[detgnome]

Preferred Logbook...?

As I move to pastures new and the queen is no longer providing me with a log book, is there a preferred logbook that anyone can recommend? (Don't know if it makes any difference, but I will be continuing to fly in a commercial capacity)

[windowseatplease]

I like the trusty old CAP 407

http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...e=detail&id=33

Can be found at pilot shops too.

[Thridle Op Des]

I personally use the Queens version, never having served the lady I had a good friend who supplied me with two and I find the quality is (buzz) light years ahead of the CAP. The CAP's pages are very nasty while the Queens version is much more robust. Suggest you 'acquire' a couple before departure.

[HOGE]

I popped into CAA House a few weeks ago to buy a new log book. They don't sell them there any more!

£19.40 for a CAP407 delivered!

[Non-PC Plod]

I bought a JAR logbook from the Transair catalogue, and transferred my military and everything else running totals across. It takes a long time & much head scratching to go back through all your old flights and come up with sensible figures for the slightly different columns, as P1, P2, captain, copilot, PIC, PIC u/s, Dual all have slightly different definitions depending on what rules you were under at the time. eg I have many hours which were P2 captain under Army rules in those days, which simply doesnt compute in civvy terms) (My first log book - RAF-style (From the army) is different from my Navy logbook, which is different from my civvy one - creative maths required!)
Make sure you get one with columns for simulator flying in the main section - much more important these days than it used to be. I find the Transair one good, because it also records instructor time. (No column for NVG though!)