Air Ambulance rescue (Now incl post by the Paramedic - 9/11)
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Bond Air Ambulance Daily Mail 26/10/04
Have a look at this story in the Daily Mail 26/10/04
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/gal...n_page_id=1055
Call me mr prudent if you like but
1. Where is the life jacket?
2. Where are the ropes?
3. Do the paramedics train for jumping onto car roofs out of helicopters?
4. What happens in the event of an engine failure?
Over to you
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/gal...n_page_id=1055
Call me mr prudent if you like but
1. Where is the life jacket?
2. Where are the ropes?
3. Do the paramedics train for jumping onto car roofs out of helicopters?
4. What happens in the event of an engine failure?
Over to you
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OK .................. Hi 'mr prudent' 
Superb job well done.
Time was of the essence. The trapped driver was up to his chest in water and couldn't open the door because of the strong current. The driver's window was partly open but couldn't be opened further becaue the electrics had failed. There was a danger the car might have been swept away. The paramedic got him out and he was airlifted to safety.
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, but what if it had all gone wrong?
Well, it didn't! AND a life was saved which might have been lost.
Congratulations to pilot Pete Barnes and paramedic Kevin Hodgson for taking the initiative.
Helicopters get more than enough negative publicity. On this occasion, most of the nationals ran the story, all praising the crew, and the Mail and Sun published agency photographs of the rescue.
Good to see some positive PR for a change.
Superb job well done.
Time was of the essence. The trapped driver was up to his chest in water and couldn't open the door because of the strong current. The driver's window was partly open but couldn't be opened further becaue the electrics had failed. There was a danger the car might have been swept away. The paramedic got him out and he was airlifted to safety.
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, but what if it had all gone wrong?
Well, it didn't! AND a life was saved which might have been lost.
Congratulations to pilot Pete Barnes and paramedic Kevin Hodgson for taking the initiative.
Helicopters get more than enough negative publicity. On this occasion, most of the nationals ran the story, all praising the crew, and the Mail and Sun published agency photographs of the rescue.
Good to see some positive PR for a change.
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You don't work for the Daily Mail by any chance hunt? It sounds very much as though you have an 'angle', just like the rest of those sharks.
This was an emergency situation. Neither the aircraft nor the crew would be employed in such a manner unless there was imminent danger of loss of life. There's also the example of firemen who are trained to use a system for keeping track of who is in a burning building - unless the instant they arrive they can see a casualty in immediate peril, in which case they can just pile in and extract them as fast as possible. They don't get many complaints.
This was an emergency situation. Neither the aircraft nor the crew would be employed in such a manner unless there was imminent danger of loss of life. There's also the example of firemen who are trained to use a system for keeping track of who is in a burning building - unless the instant they arrive they can see a casualty in immediate peril, in which case they can just pile in and extract them as fast as possible. They don't get many complaints.
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To answer your questions....
1. due to the flood the "Helly Hansen" store was out of stock
2. According to JAR-OPS 3 it would have been illegal to attach any ropes to the helicopter and it takes quite a few days to get that essential hardware to be delivered by Eurocopter.
3. Nope
4. Since the paramedic is no longer inside the helicopter the pilot should be able to hover with OEI.
Great job!!
1. due to the flood the "Helly Hansen" store was out of stock
2. According to JAR-OPS 3 it would have been illegal to attach any ropes to the helicopter and it takes quite a few days to get that essential hardware to be delivered by Eurocopter.
3. Nope
4. Since the paramedic is no longer inside the helicopter the pilot should be able to hover with OEI.
Great job!!
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Superb job, well done.
Check the ANO, AFAIK there is as sentence somewhere that goes a bit like "nothing contained herein shall prevent anybody form taking any other action in order to save lives" or something similar. And even if it did not contain it, any responsible and professional crew would have weighed the options and decided on a course of action that would have minimised the risk to all involved.
So what's your beef huntnhound, or are you one of those bystanders that will watch people die and do nothing?
Check the ANO, AFAIK there is as sentence somewhere that goes a bit like "nothing contained herein shall prevent anybody form taking any other action in order to save lives" or something similar. And even if it did not contain it, any responsible and professional crew would have weighed the options and decided on a course of action that would have minimised the risk to all involved.
So what's your beef huntnhound, or are you one of those bystanders that will watch people die and do nothing?
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"you didnt answer the questions"
Quite right. I didn't.
Since you're capable of looking at the photographs, I assumed weren't blind.
Since you're not blind, I assumed you already knew the answers to the first 2 questions and that you were trying to make your point in the form of rhetorical questions. (Questions asked for a purpose other than eliciting answers from others.)
Please correct me if I'm wrong so far.
Since you're posting in a helicopter forum, I assumed you also already knew the answer to 3 and 4 and they were also rhetorical questions.
If you don't, please say so and I'm sure someone will explain what would happen - we're a goldmine of information here.
If I'd been the driver, I'd be relieved that a very experienced pilot and a brave paramedic were in the vicinity and prepared to use their initiative.
"you didnt answer the questions"
Quite right. I didn't.
Since you're capable of looking at the photographs, I assumed weren't blind.
Since you're not blind, I assumed you already knew the answers to the first 2 questions and that you were trying to make your point in the form of rhetorical questions. (Questions asked for a purpose other than eliciting answers from others.)
Please correct me if I'm wrong so far.
Since you're posting in a helicopter forum, I assumed you also already knew the answer to 3 and 4 and they were also rhetorical questions.
If you don't, please say so and I'm sure someone will explain what would happen - we're a goldmine of information here.
If I'd been the driver, I'd be relieved that a very experienced pilot and a brave paramedic were in the vicinity and prepared to use their initiative.
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Thanks for the fast responses.
I dont have any particular beef...although I suppose the CAA may raise more than a few eyebrows.
How much risk was that driver really in? The water depth is around 18"-2` ..
all I`m saying is was that job worth the risk of possibly putting a perfectly good aircraft in a total loss situation...not to mention any injury to the crew?
I dont have any particular beef...although I suppose the CAA may raise more than a few eyebrows.
How much risk was that driver really in? The water depth is around 18"-2` ..
all I`m saying is was that job worth the risk of possibly putting a perfectly good aircraft in a total loss situation...not to mention any injury to the crew?
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good on them i say,
2ft of water can send a car disappearing off down stream easily enough.
based just on those photos and no other information, i agree with what they have done,
you ask is the job worth it, - only they can answer that question as they are the ones doing the job its not for us to judge sitting at our computers looking at a picture in the safe warm and dry living room/office with the wonder of hindsight
people of the emergency services, hm forces etc put themselves on offer to help people that get into situations either by stupidty or accident, and i think they all do a good job and should be supported more.
2ft of water can send a car disappearing off down stream easily enough.
based just on those photos and no other information, i agree with what they have done,
you ask is the job worth it, - only they can answer that question as they are the ones doing the job its not for us to judge sitting at our computers looking at a picture in the safe warm and dry living room/office with the wonder of hindsight
people of the emergency services, hm forces etc put themselves on offer to help people that get into situations either by stupidty or accident, and i think they all do a good job and should be supported more.
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Well done guys.
It could have turned out different.
BBC report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/s...re/3950761.stm
It could have turned out different.
BBC report
Woman 'died crossing flood river'
A driver was swept away and killed after trying to cross a flooded river in a Land Rover, police believe.
Suzanne Smith from Hawkbatch in Bewdley was discovered by a canoeist on the River Rea at Neen Savage near Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire on Sunday morning.
The 36-year-old was pronounced dead before being taken to the Royal Shrewsbury Hospital.
Police investigating Miss Smith's death believe the river was too high and swept her vehicle away at a ford.
Miss Smith's silver coloured Freelander Serengeti was found more than a quarter of a mile downstream from the ford on the unclassified road at Neen Savage.
A driver was swept away and killed after trying to cross a flooded river in a Land Rover, police believe.
Suzanne Smith from Hawkbatch in Bewdley was discovered by a canoeist on the River Rea at Neen Savage near Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire on Sunday morning.
The 36-year-old was pronounced dead before being taken to the Royal Shrewsbury Hospital.
Police investigating Miss Smith's death believe the river was too high and swept her vehicle away at a ford.
Miss Smith's silver coloured Freelander Serengeti was found more than a quarter of a mile downstream from the ford on the unclassified road at Neen Savage.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/s...re/3950761.stm
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Guys havent we had this discusion before
the boys did the job they felt best at the time, with what time they had available to do it in and the result was good so whats the problem.
I have been to incidents like this and i wish my crew had a helicopter on hand at the time.
well done to the crew keep it up boys.
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the boys did the job they felt best at the time, with what time they had available to do it in and the result was good so whats the problem.
I have been to incidents like this and i wish my crew had a helicopter on hand at the time.
well done to the crew keep it up boys.
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Who knows? But, if they do more than raise a few eyebrows, I'll happily represent the pilot free of charge.
Well done Pete Barnes and the paramedic.
Tudor Owen.
I suppose the CAA may raise more than a few eyebrows
Well done Pete Barnes and the paramedic.
Tudor Owen.
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The Pilot and the paramed can have a pint with me anytime at all, its people like that who are the sort who will rescue a civvie without thought for themselve, their skill and training just takes over, if these two were in a War situation that would count as bravery beyond the call of normall duty,
Normal duty being where you indeed have the tin hat, the flak jacket and ropes, and a marshall on the ground, the hot flask and the tin of butty's.
Sadley the reporter suggested the pilot was fighting his machine to get where he was, I dont think so really, he seems totally at ease and in full control!
"Seize the moment, for it may not last" seems to fit the bill.
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Normal duty being where you indeed have the tin hat, the flak jacket and ropes, and a marshall on the ground, the hot flask and the tin of butty's.
Sadley the reporter suggested the pilot was fighting his machine to get where he was, I dont think so really, he seems totally at ease and in full control!
"Seize the moment, for it may not last" seems to fit the bill.
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Fantastic.
Some really useful observations, from, no doubt some excellent brave pilots.
I can honestly wish you all the best for the future in whatever you do, and the best of luck as well. Clearly engine failures and rear rotor failures are just something that happens to someone else.
"Excellent rescue!
Life jacket? The water isn't that high.....
DJG"
and if the water wasnt that high...why didnt he just get out of the car on the downstream side and wade into the bank
Some really useful observations, from, no doubt some excellent brave pilots.
I can honestly wish you all the best for the future in whatever you do, and the best of luck as well. Clearly engine failures and rear rotor failures are just something that happens to someone else.
"Excellent rescue!
Life jacket? The water isn't that high.....
DJG"
and if the water wasnt that high...why didnt he just get out of the car on the downstream side and wade into the bank
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In answer to "Just out of curiosity huntnhound, are you a pilot?
I get the impression you're not, but would be happy for that impression to be corrected if I'm wrong."
I cant see the relevance, but if it makes you happy I`m not. But I have over 1200 hrs observing.
And dont start me off on pursuits or the danger of pusuits..a subject I know a lot about.
I get the impression you're not, but would be happy for that impression to be corrected if I'm wrong."
I cant see the relevance, but if it makes you happy I`m not. But I have over 1200 hrs observing.
And dont start me off on pursuits or the danger of pusuits..a subject I know a lot about.