Retirement Age
The CASA regs changed a few years ago, allowing over 60's to continue commercial flying if they have a helicopter proficiency check or flight review in the previous 12 months up to the age of 65, or in the previous 6 months after the age of 65. These are options to the requirement to having a co pilot in a dual control equipped machine.
CAR 1988 5.126 refers, here.
CAR 1988 5.126 refers, here.
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New law on retiring
On the news recently was a statement about a new europian law
concening retirement age.
Employers and I think institutions can't force people to retire before the age of 65 although the employee can choose to do so.
I wonder how this will effect the aviation industry as the UK has to comply with the ruling?
concening retirement age.
Employers and I think institutions can't force people to retire before the age of 65 although the employee can choose to do so.
I wonder how this will effect the aviation industry as the UK has to comply with the ruling?
A rather crotchety acquaintance of mine had the misfortune to bend his helicopter a couple of years ago, whilst doing a little pre-check ride practicing for his 135 ride. At the bottom of a full touch-down auto he rolled his machine over.
When the FAA arrived to complete the investigation, which in this instance involved little other than ensuring the spelling was correct, the unfortunate pilot told them that it was a doubly bad day for him, for in addition to wrecking his machine, it had occurred on his 79th birthday.
He is still flying today - God only knows how old he is now!
When the FAA arrived to complete the investigation, which in this instance involved little other than ensuring the spelling was correct, the unfortunate pilot told them that it was a doubly bad day for him, for in addition to wrecking his machine, it had occurred on his 79th birthday.
He is still flying today - God only knows how old he is now!
Retirement age
fleetwind: The UK CAA won't do anything until a class-action lawsuit arrives in it's INTRAY. You should know by now that nothing changes in the UK except by direct action or until the legal beagles get their (expensive) teeth into an issue; apathy/inertia rools in the UK!
BALPA controlled by the admirals in their barges @ FL370, certainly won't be striving to remove all restrictions from the mobile, fringe helicopter fraternity toiling at the coalface getting dirt under their fingernails.
A recent (within the last year) communication with the BALPA/CAA medical group stated that there was a 1%! increase in the possibility of incapacitating heart disease over the age of 62 years
but they couldn't be sure of this because of insufficient data? On such flimsy evidence? we have a crippling employment restriction of two pilots only(public transport) over the age of 60 years. Matters such as the European Convention of Human Rights guaranteeing the right to work & practice one's profession without let or hindrance from the authorities are conveniently overlooked it would seem.
with fraternal greetings, ambi
BALPA controlled by the admirals in their barges @ FL370, certainly won't be striving to remove all restrictions from the mobile, fringe helicopter fraternity toiling at the coalface getting dirt under their fingernails.
A recent (within the last year) communication with the BALPA/CAA medical group stated that there was a 1%! increase in the possibility of incapacitating heart disease over the age of 62 years
but they couldn't be sure of this because of insufficient data? On such flimsy evidence? we have a crippling employment restriction of two pilots only(public transport) over the age of 60 years. Matters such as the European Convention of Human Rights guaranteeing the right to work & practice one's profession without let or hindrance from the authorities are conveniently overlooked it would seem.
with fraternal greetings, ambi
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Having just been able to continue working as a heli instructor beyond 60 (albeit after a 10 day unpaid break, and with a fixed one year extension with no sick pay!), I am furious that BALPA did (or seemed to do) nothing to arrange a better deal. However, the changes to European law in 2 (?) years time will ease matters considerably.
Retrement age
Perhaps our cousins across the pond(USA/CANADA) & those in Australasia could enlighten these pages with an accurate summary of the restrictions placed on professionally licensed helicopter pilots flying for hire/reward on public transport operations in their respective countries once past three score (60)years.
regards, ambi
regards, ambi
Ambi old man.....
In the Gulf of Mexico (GOM) one can fly yer Jetranger as long as you can totter out to it. Some guys in their 70's still flying for Air Log. As long as you can pass the medical and pass the checkride...then you are good to go. That is for FAA part 135 Air Taxi operations. Almost all of our commerical helicopter work is done under part 135. Corporate operations fall under Part 91 of the FAR's....and again no age limits.
FAA Part 121 Airline operations has the age 60 requirement like most other countries.
Remember...Airspeed Alive!
In the Gulf of Mexico (GOM) one can fly yer Jetranger as long as you can totter out to it. Some guys in their 70's still flying for Air Log. As long as you can pass the medical and pass the checkride...then you are good to go. That is for FAA part 135 Air Taxi operations. Almost all of our commerical helicopter work is done under part 135. Corporate operations fall under Part 91 of the FAR's....and again no age limits.
FAA Part 121 Airline operations has the age 60 requirement like most other countries.
Remember...Airspeed Alive!
In the UK,
let's see what is on the horizon:
2006: Age discrimination act becomes law. Employers will no longer be able to remove you on age alone before the benchmark (65) state retirement limit.
2013: Phasing in of new pensionable age to 70, in line with state pension payouts. [This is a current 'forecast' by the government].
What is EASA's directive, currently?
let's see what is on the horizon:
2006: Age discrimination act becomes law. Employers will no longer be able to remove you on age alone before the benchmark (65) state retirement limit.
2013: Phasing in of new pensionable age to 70, in line with state pension payouts. [This is a current 'forecast' by the government].
What is EASA's directive, currently?
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A major corporation in the US had a mandatory age 60 retirement for pilots about 15 years ago. The then-chief pilot was walked out the door, and went right into a lawyer's office. The Federal courts ruled that the age restriction was not based on any fact or skills question, it was pure age discrimination. He was reinstated (the process took 2 years) and then retired happily, voluntarily, at 65.
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To all of us flying single pilot ops, particularly now the UK Police and HEMS. It seems that we are quite happy to feel aggrieved, that regardless of health ability or wish, we are forced to retire earlier than the national retirement age by the CAA. We have no right to our old age pension early and I'd like to think that they have no right to put us out of employment unjustifiably. Most of our posts have very poor pensions from private companies and they have not been held for enough years to suffice in old age. We should feel sufficiently aggrieved to do something about it. Yet the only thing we do is make comments on PPrune. There has to be hundred of pilots who this will effect in the next ten years. The CAA will not change anything unless they are put under direct pressure. If I knew how to start the ball rolling, I would and if any of you feel the same and have a suggestion. I'd like to hear it. I would certainly like to hear what the flying lawyer would recommend. Is it worth challenging?
Retirement age/restrictions post 60+
Atters,
Of course it's worth challenging! If our Antipodean/USA/Canadian cousins can soldier on past 60 without restriction(apart from the FAA limitation of no Captain of an airliner from 60+) then we should have the option in this part of the world also. But be prepared for a long slog, as the 'admirals in their barges @ FL370' and the EU regulators are not going to do anything until their forced to. Being a member of a pension action group at the present time whose case is going thru' Strasbourg, we don't expect to get a decision for another 2 years! It could be a long haul, advertise for names, & get a hopefully 'pro-bono' opinion from a lawyer & take it from there via a class action suit.
with fraternal greetings, ambi
Of course it's worth challenging! If our Antipodean/USA/Canadian cousins can soldier on past 60 without restriction(apart from the FAA limitation of no Captain of an airliner from 60+) then we should have the option in this part of the world also. But be prepared for a long slog, as the 'admirals in their barges @ FL370' and the EU regulators are not going to do anything until their forced to. Being a member of a pension action group at the present time whose case is going thru' Strasbourg, we don't expect to get a decision for another 2 years! It could be a long haul, advertise for names, & get a hopefully 'pro-bono' opinion from a lawyer & take it from there via a class action suit.
with fraternal greetings, ambi
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Thanks for the encouraging words Ambi. If any of the pilots directly affected by this ruling would like to e-mail me and state their desire to address this age discrimination concern, then I may consider running with it. Perhaps they should also be hounding BALPA. It may suit airline pilots to retire early but there can't be many on shore chopper pilots who would not like the option to have a career up to state retirement age.
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Retirement Age.
Age 60 well plus !!
Can I put in a pennorth from the UK.
I celebrate fifty two years as PIC shortly but was stopped 'commercial' flying at 60 or 65 alongside a qualified pilot alongside being under 60. Bit difficult with a passenger in an Enstrom.
As some of you will know, I've flown almost 400 airshow displays since 1974 and will continue as long as I hold the medical and can pass the PPL(H) LPC. I also plan to have a go at the world championships this year. You know what they say, "Your'e as young as the woman you feel !" Oh dear, I feel another male/female thread coming on.
Just popping off to top up the pacemaker !
Kind regards to all.
Okay so what about the keen golfer who visits a posh new club. The Captain invites him to join and even suggests he might like to play his first round with the stunning club blonde.
He loses at the 18th when she pops in a fifteen footer.
Taking up a seductive pose, boobs thrust out, blonde hair perfect, she invites him back to her flat for a martini where he has terrific oral sex. "See you on the first tee same time next week" she says as he leaves.
All is repeated a week later right down to the sex.
"Same again next week" she suggests.
At the clubhouse a week on he's asked by the Captain how he's getting on with his new partner.
"Absolutely terrific, fantastic, I can't believe how lucky I am"
"You know she's really a man dressed up." he's told with a knowing smile.
"What" he shouts in disgust, and he's been playing off the ladies tees all week." !!
Can I put in a pennorth from the UK.
I celebrate fifty two years as PIC shortly but was stopped 'commercial' flying at 60 or 65 alongside a qualified pilot alongside being under 60. Bit difficult with a passenger in an Enstrom.
As some of you will know, I've flown almost 400 airshow displays since 1974 and will continue as long as I hold the medical and can pass the PPL(H) LPC. I also plan to have a go at the world championships this year. You know what they say, "Your'e as young as the woman you feel !" Oh dear, I feel another male/female thread coming on.
Just popping off to top up the pacemaker !
Kind regards to all.
Okay so what about the keen golfer who visits a posh new club. The Captain invites him to join and even suggests he might like to play his first round with the stunning club blonde.
He loses at the 18th when she pops in a fifteen footer.
Taking up a seductive pose, boobs thrust out, blonde hair perfect, she invites him back to her flat for a martini where he has terrific oral sex. "See you on the first tee same time next week" she says as he leaves.
All is repeated a week later right down to the sex.
"Same again next week" she suggests.
At the clubhouse a week on he's asked by the Captain how he's getting on with his new partner.
"Absolutely terrific, fantastic, I can't believe how lucky I am"
"You know she's really a man dressed up." he's told with a knowing smile.
"What" he shouts in disgust, and he's been playing off the ladies tees all week." !!
Dennis me boy....you are a real helicopter pilot!
One must have a sense of humour about all this.
One must have a sense of humour about all this.
