Robinson Safety Courses
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Originally Posted by CHOPPER74
Have just completed a R22 Safety course and am wondering what other people that have been to one of these think of them. Thank you for your time
Pat Cox was absolutely the best and I'd take his course if time allowed.
I think Tucker needs to get over himself.
What did you think of the course?
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Safety Course was well worth while, Who is LU?
I am not new to the forum as I have lurked for a while.
I would recommend the Robinson Safety Course to anyone that has the time and money to go to Torrance. The factory tour shows you not only how they are made but the great care that goes in to making them.
I am not a devout Robinson follower and have flown other makes and models but it is hard to beat the Robinson product for what it is signed to do. Frank Robinson has brought helicopter ownership to many individuals and organizations that could not other wise afford a light turbine machine.
Speaking of design, Who is LU? Not a pilot but he says he has been associated with helicopter for 20-30 years. I have been associated with the local hospital for about the same amount of time but that does not make me a Doctor. In a past professional career, I also built and rebuilt hospitals but they still do not call me Doctor either.
Yes, I do fly a Robinson as a police pilot and I do fly it out of trim, LOTS. They are great machines but admit ably not perfect.
I would recommend the Robinson Safety Course to anyone that has the time and money to go to Torrance. The factory tour shows you not only how they are made but the great care that goes in to making them.
I am not a devout Robinson follower and have flown other makes and models but it is hard to beat the Robinson product for what it is signed to do. Frank Robinson has brought helicopter ownership to many individuals and organizations that could not other wise afford a light turbine machine.
Speaking of design, Who is LU? Not a pilot but he says he has been associated with helicopter for 20-30 years. I have been associated with the local hospital for about the same amount of time but that does not make me a Doctor. In a past professional career, I also built and rebuilt hospitals but they still do not call me Doctor either.
Yes, I do fly a Robinson as a police pilot and I do fly it out of trim, LOTS. They are great machines but admit ably not perfect.
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Air 5 ,
Lu was Lu Zuckerman( I havn't seen him on the Pprune for some time I hope he is still around, for he was very ill) however it seems that he had spent many years working in the Aviation construction industry and whilst he was not a Pilot, he did have a very sound engineering background, his attitude to the Robinson Helis was to say the least a little biased, in fact I cannot remember seeing anywhere any praise from him regarding the fact that F Robinson had brought Helis within the grasp on many erstwhile earthlings who wished to fly the only worthwile sort of flying I know, on a lot of occasion he was ruthlessly treated by many individuels but he never lost it nor resorted to name calling, he was able to doggedly keep a subject alive by constantly refusing to back down( he must have been hell to work with) I am but a mere PPL(H) and found some of his posts were well worthy of attention, remember it takes alsorts to run this world of our and he knew an awful lot more than I ever will!
So despite your comments about Doctors, I suppose you could say he was an "Elder Statesman" of the Rotorheads Forum. I feel few will disagree!
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Thankyou Tinnie for correcting my mistaken tense, and lack of knowledge regarding Lu Zuckerman. I have altered the tense where needed, also I offer my very sincere late condolences to Lu's family, may he rest in peace .
Lu was Lu Zuckerman( I havn't seen him on the Pprune for some time I hope he is still around, for he was very ill) however it seems that he had spent many years working in the Aviation construction industry and whilst he was not a Pilot, he did have a very sound engineering background, his attitude to the Robinson Helis was to say the least a little biased, in fact I cannot remember seeing anywhere any praise from him regarding the fact that F Robinson had brought Helis within the grasp on many erstwhile earthlings who wished to fly the only worthwile sort of flying I know, on a lot of occasion he was ruthlessly treated by many individuels but he never lost it nor resorted to name calling, he was able to doggedly keep a subject alive by constantly refusing to back down( he must have been hell to work with) I am but a mere PPL(H) and found some of his posts were well worthy of attention, remember it takes alsorts to run this world of our and he knew an awful lot more than I ever will!
So despite your comments about Doctors, I suppose you could say he was an "Elder Statesman" of the Rotorheads Forum. I feel few will disagree!
Many regards
Peter R-B
Vfr
Thankyou Tinnie for correcting my mistaken tense, and lack of knowledge regarding Lu Zuckerman. I have altered the tense where needed, also I offer my very sincere late condolences to Lu's family, may he rest in peace .
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I did it with them back in 2001.
Learned lots of things I had not been taught for the PPL.
It is, I recall, only about R22/R44.
Well worth doing, if you value safety.
pvm
Learned lots of things I had not been taught for the PPL.
It is, I recall, only about R22/R44.
Well worth doing, if you value safety.
pvm
Very good. As close as you'll get to the 'factory course' in the UK.
Even worthwhile if you don't fly Robinsons. A very useful post-PPL (or even pre-CPL) course that covers lots of issues relating to flying any helicopter, not just R22/R44.
HTH,
B73
Even worthwhile if you don't fly Robinsons. A very useful post-PPL (or even pre-CPL) course that covers lots of issues relating to flying any helicopter, not just R22/R44.
HTH,
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I have been on both the Torrence course and Richards course. The Torrence course is excellent on the mechanical side of the R22 but Richard really knows his stuff on the Icing side!!
An absolute must if your a 22 or 44 driver. Even if its just the videos that make you realise how quick these things can bite you in the ass if you misrespect them.
You can never have too much knowledge and you can never beat refresher courses!
R22
An absolute must if your a 22 or 44 driver. Even if its just the videos that make you realise how quick these things can bite you in the ass if you misrespect them.
You can never have too much knowledge and you can never beat refresher courses!
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Robinson safety course
In a couple of weeks I am attending a Robinson safety course headed by Tim Tucker in Scotland.I have attended one before at sloanes about 8 years ago but am looking forward to learning anything more that I can especially where safety is concerned. Any tips or suggestions on what to look for or ask about ?.Will be happy to report on my experience if anyone interested.
EDITED to add do you guys and gals think it's worth attending this type of course.I thought it was when I did the original one .
R
EDITED to add do you guys and gals think it's worth attending this type of course.I thought it was when I did the original one .
R
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Hi Rinker,
I'm going to attend one of these when I get around to it- will probably be at Sloane or Cambridge as neither is too far from me. I take it you got some useful info from it if you're attending a second?
I'd be interested to learn of your experience when you've finished.
cheers
Si
I'm going to attend one of these when I get around to it- will probably be at Sloane or Cambridge as neither is too far from me. I take it you got some useful info from it if you're attending a second?
I'd be interested to learn of your experience when you've finished.
cheers
Si
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I did the course with Tim Tucker a year ago and it was worth every cent. I learnt about a lot about other types as well as Robbies. I now look at the R22 and 44 in a whole new light when preflighting and even as an Engineer i've found the knowledge gained invaluble when working on them too. If I could justify the cost I would love to have a look around the factory sometime.
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In regards to the comment about learning more about the R22/44, while that may be true, I found a vast majority of the topics covered at the safety course to be generic to any rotorcraft. Most of the ways people kill (or hurt) themselves in Robinsons are not exclusive.
Actually, one of my after action comments was that I thought I'd learn more about the R44 and its systems (i.e. Bell 206 Initial).
I found it to be an excellent safety refresher. Not just a R44 lesson.
Hoss
Actually, one of my after action comments was that I thought I'd learn more about the R44 and its systems (i.e. Bell 206 Initial).
I found it to be an excellent safety refresher. Not just a R44 lesson.
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Flights with Tim
I did the RHC course with Tim in the early 80s, when he recounted a tale, where an instructor, having told his passenger to disembark and arrange the refuelling, then leapt thoughtlessly into the hover. From the LH seat.
This of course places the C of G too far left, and full right cyclicwill not stop the left drift.
Being a man of "belated foresight" he then decided to hover sideways around the corner, to avoid crashing outside the FAA's offices.
But on the way, he found that by lying across the RIGHT seat, the drift could be arrested, and a safe landing made.
Which instructor? Ask Tim.
thekite
This of course places the C of G too far left, and full right cyclicwill not stop the left drift.
Being a man of "belated foresight" he then decided to hover sideways around the corner, to avoid crashing outside the FAA's offices.
But on the way, he found that by lying across the RIGHT seat, the drift could be arrested, and a safe landing made.
Which instructor? Ask Tim.
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You could ask him - how come he doesn't leave the collective up for at least two seconds in an EOL?- like some blokes who have been on Pprune reckon they do.
He may just tell you how long it took him to learn how to hold it for the regulation one second.
He may just tell you how long it took him to learn how to hold it for the regulation one second.
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The Kite,
sorry , shoddy explanantion, I mean sitting there with the collective still up - AFTER - the engine has hypothetically quit.
He relays that he has this very BIG (roll the eyes now) clock on the panel which indicates ~ and records for the big time FAA boys ~ just how quickly, or slowly, he puts the lever down.
.98 seconds delay , easy, the regulation one full second, not so easy.
cheers tet
sorry , shoddy explanantion, I mean sitting there with the collective still up - AFTER - the engine has hypothetically quit.
He relays that he has this very BIG (roll the eyes now) clock on the panel which indicates ~ and records for the big time FAA boys ~ just how quickly, or slowly, he puts the lever down.
.98 seconds delay , easy, the regulation one full second, not so easy.
cheers tet
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Thanks for that: I recently posted on a thread "how long have you got?" (after the engine quits.)
I said that in my days as a R22 instructor, I would often chop the throttle if the student dared to take his/her hand off the throttle during climb. And I never once kept the revs in the green, even though I dumped the collective myself.
Graphic? You bet. Necessary? I think so. Dangerous??????
Can I say: I was much younger then. But in a sense, nearer to death than I am now.
thekite
I said that in my days as a R22 instructor, I would often chop the throttle if the student dared to take his/her hand off the throttle during climb. And I never once kept the revs in the green, even though I dumped the collective myself.
Graphic? You bet. Necessary? I think so. Dangerous??????
Can I say: I was much younger then. But in a sense, nearer to death than I am now.
thekite