"Shuttle in Holding"?

[apu hunter]

Gotta a chart out the other day, ILS app into Luton, UK and in the profile section the Jeppesen chart has a note referring to "Shuttle in Holding"?

I asked a couple of fellow pilots what that meant and even two Check Airmen and none of them actually knew what it meant. After trying many other pilots, none of them had ever heard of it, like myself.

Anybody out there's gotta a clue?

[airamerica]

Join the stack at one altitude leave it at another for sequencing me recons.It was a ''Jar ''Air law question.But thats another story mate.

[alexban]

indeed,shuttle means changing altitude,usually descending ,while holding.
"10.9 Shuttle Procedure

A shuttle procedure is defined as a manœuvre involving a descent or climb in a pattern resembling a holding pattern. Shuttles are generally prescribed on instrument procedures located in mountainous areas. In the approach phase, it is normally prescribed where a descent of more than 2 000 feet is required during the initial or intermediate approach segments. It can also be required when flying a missed approach or departure procedure from certain airports. A shuttle procedure shall be executed in the pattern as published unless instructions contained in an ATC clearance
direct otherwise.

To ensure that the aircraft does not exceed the obstacle clearance protected airspace during a shuttle descent or climb, the aircraft must not exceed 200 KTIAS while in the shuttle descent or climb, nor exceed one minute outbound still air time. Normal aircraft speed may be flown once the aircraft leaves the shuttle pattern. " RAC-IFR

[flyburg]

ref. Jeppesen, AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL, 3.2.4.8

[apu hunter]

Thanks a lot, guys!

Great help!

[Sniper747]

Hi! Recently I flown to Vancouver which is using RW08R and the MA procedure is,
"Climb to 420' Hdg 083. Then climbing Right turn to 2000' Hdg 113. Then RIGHT turn direct to YVR VOR. Shuttle to 6000' before proceeding on course."
It's been a discussion what initial altitude to be set on the MCP windows. Is it 2000' or I can set the final altitudes of 6000'? Since by going VNAV the FMC will take care of the altitude for me. Am I doing it correctly? And "proceeding on course" means to where?
Thanks guys.

[aterpster]

I'd say that 2,000 is the top until entering the hold. Might have to do with separation for the 8L ILS.

[RAT 5]

But in LTN's case it is not terrain clearance on SID, but on arrival. Surely any descent is given by ATC. If you descend, in y'er average jet, in idle at min clean round a hold you'll lose 5000'-ish. I'd like to hear from an ATC whalla, at LTN, just how they use this thing.

[Raymond Dome]

It isn't used normally. Virtually all arrivals to LTN are radar vectors to the ILS. It is published so that it could theoretically be used under procedural control if there was a complete ATC radar failure or for aircraft to use if experiencing total RT failure. I flew out of LTN for thirty odd years and never used it once.

[G-V]

Originally Posted by Sniper747

Hi! Recently I flown to Vancouver which is using RW08R and the MA procedure is,
"Climb to 420' Hdg 083. Then climbing Right turn to 2000' Hdg 113. Then RIGHT turn direct to YVR VOR. Shuttle to 6000' before proceeding on course."
It's been a discussion what initial altitude to be set on the MCP windows. Is it 2000' or I can set the final altitudes of 6000'? Since by going VNAV the FMC will take care of the altitude for me. Am I doing it correctly? And "proceeding on course" means to where?
Thanks guys.

I would say 6000. It doesnt say that you should maintain 2000 until crossing VOR.
After you reached 2000 you can turn direct VOR and continue climbing.

Edit:
After reaching 6000ft you can proceed to the next cleared waypoint on your flight plan. But before doing so I would cross the VOR to stay within protected airspace.

[RAT 5]

But I still don't understand the terminology and its use for arrivals. Can someone please explain.

[wiggy]

Reference the 08R at YVR....from our documentation:

direct YVR
maintain 2000
shuttle climb 6000

I'd say that means maintain 2000 feet until in the hold, only then shuttle climb up to 6000. ...on the basis that it seems by defintion a shuttle climb/descent can only be done in a hold..

[G-V]

@Sniper747

Can you please specify the SID out of Vancouver? I cant find MA SID.

[wiggy]

Given the context I'd assumed ( dangerous I know) that in this context

MA=Missed Approach

The text I pasted is from our documentation for the 08R ILS approach.

[G-V]

Thank you Wiggy. I thought we are talking about the SID.

Found ILS 8R chart. "On course" appears to be a quite strange instruction.
Could it mean on course to IF for another approach?

[sierra_mike]

for the ILS8R YVR LIDO charts say "HDG 083°, at MNM 420 RT HDG 113°, at MNM 2000 RT direct YVR, maintain 2000, shuttle climb 6000"

can't find any shuttle note on the ILS charts for LTN in LIDO