737 type rating - Yugoslav Airlines
 

Interested in doing the 737 type rating with Yugoslav Airlines. Has anyone done it with them? Any opinions on reputation, quality etc. Thank you.

1 armed paper hanger,2 pound note, 3 legged horse, Yugoslav airlines ! Hmmmmm....

Rarely do things on PPRuNe make me smile, but this does!

Imagine it on your CV?

Rod

Serbiair?

I honestly wouldn't bother. If you take that to serious airlines with no other flying on the 737 they won;t be happy just to line train you and be done with it. They'll more than likely need/want to put you through a familiar groundschool/sim course. Therefore you'll not save them any money and you may have been taught the wrong thing in the first place.

A lot of pain for not much gain I would say.

Perhaps focus on a type rating for a turboprop that will be cheaper and definitely get you a job with a UK regional. 2 years later you can look to larger airlines at your leisure.

My 2 cents.

WWW

Most TP transport category turboprop typeratings are in the sae pricecategory as jet types. So it does not realy make a difference in that.
Do not get a type unless that is a prerequisite of employment. There is nothing as useless than a type you cannot use, money thrown away.

JJ

Type Rating - B737
 

I'm hoping that someone can put some sense into this post.

First of all, I'm not a fan of self sponsored ratings especially not expensive ones. But the story is that I have been given a JAA B737 rating. Someone in my family gave it to me, and they want me to do the training this fall.

I know that a B737 rating itself isn't worth very much due to the fact of no or little experience on the type. My current experience is 1300 TT with about 800 MEL (C340 and PA31). PIC is 940 and SIC is 300. I have a JAA frozen ATPL, and MCC completed in september.

Is it realistic to get hired by one of the low budget airlines around Europe or should I reject the offer? I love my current job flying light twins, but I would be lying if I told you that I'm not interested.

Please give me some opinions on this!

Say you are the Boss of xxxx low cost operator. You have to pick between two pilots.

1.Nice bloke, no type rating.
2.Nice bloke, type rating.

You have to, every month, go and justify your training costs to the MD. Who are you going to pick?

CCC.......ough

Go for it, the jobs are out there. If you don't like it you can always downsize again, it's the upsizing that's difficult.

Yes Herod,

But what if it doesn't work out with any jobs and you lets say get a job offer on a ATR/DHC a year later. Would you hire a guy to fly ATR/DHC if he had a B737 rating. But only needed experience to get the B737 job?

Thanks anyway

With the kind of hours you have already you shouldn't have any problems in finding a job - so why use the money?

Just by way of interest, how much is a 737 rating?

737WHAT?, Someone in your family GAVE you a 737 type rating? Gdam! Where do I sign up? U got a lonely sister?

Call GECAT. £13K will get you 737 or A320 groundschool plus sim type training -- and they have arrangements with carriers to do the base training (6 T&Gs). Expensive -- so think carefully before going for it.

so it's rip,tear, oh look it's socks, rip, tear more socks! and if you're really lucky something remotely associated with flying, a book perhaps. but this year i got a 737 type rating course, which was nice!!!

The airline I work for was not intrested in recruiting I guy I used to fly with despite him having a B757 rating. There is a guy on my fleet who had a rating with no time on type and he did the whole course again as far as I'm aware. Also I know a guy at easy who had a 737 rating with no type experience and he also did the whole course again complete with bond!!. Its is a gamble for sure, depends how rich your kind relative is.

B737 , I'm sure your relative is well meaning, but I suspect knows virtually about aviation.A type rating with no experience is no help in getting a job.As has been mentioned on this thread, you would have to do the entire conversion course again, and be bonded. The fact that you had a type rating would not necessarily indicate to the airline that you had the aptitude to actually fly the aircraft, for all they know it might have taken you much longer than average to actually pass the course!
If your relative insists on spending this money on you, I'd either ask for a decent car, or possibly help in buying a house when you get the job you want.
It might be worth approaching the low cost operaters and asking to pay for your training in their training system,I'm sure they would love it, but as you are aware by the wording in your post, you won't be doing anybody a favour by going down that route.
With your hours, I feel that you will get another job without too much trouble, it just may not be on a jet type. There is a shortage of experienced pilots. It is true that with the right mix of experience/type rating all you need to do is pick up the phone, but to be in this happy state you need at least 3000-3500 hours, airline experience preferably with command time and at least 1000 hours on the type that your prospective new employer operates.
With your time you fall into the "employable" category, but unless you are very lucky you are more likely to get a turboprop job.
Unfortunately, despite what various flying schools tell people, there are many just-qualified pilots on the market, you don't fall into that category, and are currently flying commercially, which counts for a lot at the interview.
Finally , a word of advice I was given nearly 30 years ago, and has already been mentioned, it is always easier to get a job flying a small aircraft after you've flown a large one than it is to get the job flying the large aircraft. If you really don't enjoy flying a bigger aircraft, go back to piston twins, but you'll lose nothing by trying bigger!

It all depends on your age really. If you are pushing on in life your best chance may be to take the type rating and then keep hammering on the doors of the 73 operators. Easy have several 'starters' going through type courses every month at present. I used to know an instructor who had 1000+ hours who paid for a 73 rating back in about 1997 who got a job pretty quickly with Virgin Express. He was 39 then!

If you're still young, which I'm guessing you are, why on earth haven't you been pushing the regionals? I know for a fact that British Regional have been crying out for people with your kind of hours on twins to put straight onto the ATP and on to the Barbie Jet within 12-18months. The regionals are desparate due to the 'Easies' of this world recruiting all their experienced(1 or 2 years) F/O's.

So come on, stop wondering if you need to accept or decline this wonderful offer of manner from heaven, get out there and get yourself that F/O seat and use the cash towards and Audi TT!!!!!!!!!

Best of luck(not that you need much more!)

PP

Forget the 73 type rating. All decent UK operators will want you to got through their own course anyway. Talk to the regionals - with your experience you should have no difficulty getting a TP RHS. Brit Regional being a good bet...

Good luck,

WWW

Another problem with doing the type rating and then going to someone like BRAL for a job they might think you are only using them as a springboard to other things.As already mentioned if your relative really wants to help,explain how the situation is in aviation.Help towards housing if you have to relocate could be just as helpful.

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GET THE BLOODY NOSE DOWN!

B737
 

I would like to find a TRTO center for a type rating B737 in europe
could you give me some adresses please?
thanks

Q & A about B737 Type rating scheme
 

On Wednesday night 30th January between 2000 and 2200UTC there will be an opportunity to put your questions to Hamrah and others about the PPRuNe Career Development Scheme being run in association with Astraeus.

The Q & A session will take place on PPRuNe Pilot Chat. To enter chat either click on the link on the menu list on the left of the page or <a href="http://www.pprune.org/chat/chaty.htm" target="_blank">click here</a>. You will need to log in using your Username and password.

OK I will be there

Would love to be there!

But i cant get on chat!I log in but says im using the wrong password! I know im using the right password though <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

Rowley are you making sure the password is case snsitive ?

Sure am

For a transcript of the Q & A session about the PPRuNe Careed Development Scheme in association with Astraeus on PPRuNe chat on 30th January please go to <a href="http://pprune.worldaviation.net.au/QA/20020130.html" target="_blank">HERE</a>

Thanks Danny all very usefull stuff. Could not log in yesterday.

Calypso

Thanks Danny for the transcript! As I couldn't join the fun the other evening the transcript helped answer a few questions.

Does anyone know how many applications are received to date (I know from the transcript it was about 60)?

Good Luck to all - its just a shame there are not going to be the same amount of places as applicants for the scheme.

Regards,. .Homer <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">

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JAR approved 737 type ratings?
 

Could any body please tell me where I might be able to do a JAR 737 type rating? USA or Europe. And, secondly does anybody know if the low cost carriers which operate 737s except non JAR approved 737 type ratings? Any information on where, when and how much with regard to 737 type ratings will be appreciated.

Thanks.

To my knowledge no USA outfit has approval to do a JAR 737 type rating. In the UK it costs around £15K. I do not know how the 737 operators in the UK view a 'bought' rating, anyone..?

Flight Safety Boeing might --- not sure. GECAT does a 737 rating at Gatwick.

FlightSafety Boeing do indeed have a sim centre at Luton. The link below to their website also says they do JAR ratings in Seattle. Anyone know the cost at Luton v's USA?

<a href="http://www.fsbti.com/flight/flight" target="_blank">FSB</a>

and here's the GECAT link

<a href="http://www.gecat.com/self2.asp" target="_blank">Self Sponsored Type Ratings</a>

Gecat want £14K+ vat for the course plus £4K for the LPC on the aircraft, thats £20.5K !! Geez, the Ryanair deal looks better after all! <img src="eek.gif" border="0">

Seriously, who the hell can afford to do a 'self sponsored type rating' with Gecat? Rich kids only looks like, and there are too many of those in this industry already... <img src="mad.gif" border="0">

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Thanks for the replies guys. It will help alot. I'm currently trying to decide whether to take an upgrade to a bigger turbo prop and be bonded for 2 years for about US$20000,- or to let it shoot and get a 737 type rating. But, after reading all the stories here it seems I have a very luxurious decision to make. I do know where some of you guys are coming from because I've been there. Thanks again and good luck. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

737 type rating??
 

Hello,. .. .I'd like to know which are the requirements for the 737 type rating according the JAA.. .I'm interested in the 737 type rating at CSA, and about the simulator, they explane :" The FFS certification was done according to the European JAR-STD-1A standards; both the Motion and Visual systems fully comply with the Level D standard and were certified ". .What is this Level D?

According to JAR-FCL1 you need:. .1)at least 100 hours as pilot in command of airplanes.. .2)have a valid multi-engine instrument rating.. .3)hold a certificate of satisfactory completion of multi-crew co-operation(MCC). .4)have the JAR-FCL ATPL(A)theory passed.. .Ciao!!

Hi Swedish,. .How much is it going to cost for the CSA type rating? I heard that the cost is about 22,000USD.. .Where are you going to do your base and line training?