Thank you,. .. .My other curiosity: is the type rating taken for example in Czech Republic (of course according to the JAR) going to be valid in other JAR European countries?. .For example, is it going to be valid in Italy without any further exams or timbers from the local Civil Aviation Authority??

Czech Republic did not gain JAA Mutual Recognition yet so any kind of flight training performed there is not automatically recognised in the other JAA countries until they pass the JAA Audit.. .For the moment only Denmark,UK,Iceland,France,Switzerland,Netherlands,Sweden,Bel gium,Spain,and Finland obtained JAA Mutual Recognition.

Stealth,. .. .In order to get the type rating endorsed on your licence, in this country, you don't need to do the line training. After the theory and sim training all you do are some circuits in the aircraft.

>AYR521 you wrote that " Czech Republic did not gain JAA Mutual Recognition yet, so any kind of flight training performed there is not automatically recognised in the other JAA countries until they pass the JAA Auditbut. " But at CSA they underlined that the course is conducted by (or under the supervision of) CAE Flight Crew Training, which is an approved TRTO according to JAR-FCL 1 regulations.This course is approved by the Joint Aviation Authorities (JAA) according to JAR-FCL 1 regulations. The full flight simulators used in this course are approved according to JAR-STD1A regulations and meet Level C or D requirements.. .So, I guess your information is not completely correct, but what is a JAA Auditbut?. .> onemorehold you wrote that "In order to get the type rating endorsed on your licence, in this country, you don't need to do the line training. After the theory and sim training all you do are some circuits in the aircraft. ". .About which country are you referring to? And about the circuits in the aircraft, can you be more precise, do I have to do an exact number of hours in the plane?

Which JAA aviation authority approved CAE Flight Crew Training TRTO?. .When a flight simulator is used for a type rating training a pilot with less than 500 hours flight time on similar types,or less than 1500 hours total flight time must complete at least 6 take-offs and landings.

They are certified by the Dutch CAA.

AYR521,. .. .Out of interest are you sure about your information (and where did you get it?) I have done several type ratings and have several thousand hours, but have always had to do circiuts in the aircraft after sim training in order to complete the type rating and have my licence endorsed.

I mean you need to complete 6 take-offs and landings on the aircraft after the simulator training.

As far as I know, some programs can be approved as zero flight time conversions (depending on type of sim etc.) where (again, as far as I know) you need not do any circuits in the aircraft, but can do them all in the sim. As far as line training is concerned, this need not be included for purposes of obtaining a type rating, however most airlines include this as a lead up to your base relase or initial line check. But you have your rating a long time before you even fly with passengers (i.e. after your LST is passed and you have done your circuits). .. .But then, which airline is interested in a pilot who has a rating, but no hours!!!????. .. .--> AYR521, you can add Ireland to your list of JAA states with mutual recognition status, the IAA got their approval now just before Christmas (and I got a JAR FCL licence as a New Year's present!)

I am glad to learn that Ireland got mutual recognition status.My apologies!

It seems Panair of Palermo is selling 737 type rating courses still under old national rules so you don't need the jar-fcl frozen atpl. Price is 55mln itl liras if you already have a t/r or 75 mln if it's the first t/r, they are going to start in April.. .. . Please note that I'm not in any way involved with the above stated company so this is not an advertisement. I'm not recommending to do this course I just refer this news as I heard it (a rumor) so take it as is.. . . . <small>[ 24 March 2002, 18:52: Message edited by: pinguino ]</small>

And according to the Norwegian CAA they have passed the audit and are waiting for the letter with the seal on it.. .. .Swedish,. .. .why do you want to do with CSA?. . . . <small>[ 24 March 2002, 18:38: Message edited by: LimaNovember ]</small>

&gt;why do you want to do with CSA?. .I guess it is the money factor. Would you pay 22,000 pounds in UK or 22,000 USD with the CSA for the same course? The best option is to go to the US and do it for 9,995USD. Then you would have enough money left to buy some hours in the a/c.

Ok, can you tell me where can I find the type rating in the US and do for 9,995USD?. .. .Thanks!

Are you sure FAA type ratings are valid under JAA?. .I don't think so!. . . . <small>[ 25 March 2002, 15:22: Message edited by: pinguino ]</small>

Well, I am not familiar with JAA rules, however I think it is possible to bypass it. If Swedish has an Italian licence and ads a FAA type rating on it, he would need 500 hours in a multicrew environment in order to upgraded it to a JAA one. So, you can pay 10,000USD for a FAA type rating and use the remaining 15,000USD to purchase 500 hours of line training and you will be on top.

Stealth. .. .Is it posible to get 500 hrs experience on 737 for 15000 usd ? I think there would be a lot of takers...

Swedish - how much is the CSA type rating?

Stealth,. .. .Please tell me the address of the training facility which provide 737 type ratings for that small amount of cash, it would be very useful to me.. .Thanks

What a waste of money! no operator is going to give you a position on the 737 with no time experience on type, when there are hundreds of type rated guys on the market, with time on type.. .Save your money, If you really must part with a huge amount of cash, take up Ryanairs offer.

Swedish - where is your community spirit? Perhaps you dont want us all to know how cheap the CSA course is? Tuff.. .For everyone else - I spent considerable time investigating this whole issue of doing an FAA 737 type rating. I came to the conclusion that it wasnt worthwhile for those wishing to work in the UK. The CAA will not recognise/convert it unless you have 500hrs on type.

Ok Ballinthemiddle, which are the Ryan Air offers then?. .About the prices of the CSA 737 type rating:. .. .B737-300/400 Type Qualification course - Basic € 26,250.-- per crew. .. .B737-300/400 Type Qualification course - Extended, no FMS € 30,000.-- per crew. .. .B737-300/400 Type Qualification course - Extended, incl. FMS € 32,500.-- per crew. .. .B737-300/400 Type Qualification course - (option 3) € 2,210.-- per crew. .. .B737-300/400 Type Qualification course - (option 4) € 2,210.-- per crew

swedish,. .. .I think if you double check your research into your price list this will only includes the ground school and simulator but not the circuits in the aircraft !! - so you would have to go elsewhere to complete the type rating. I think this may cost you around 3000-4000 pounds approx to complete the rating.. . . . <small>[ 26 March 2002, 21:06: Message edited by: onemorehold ]</small>

Swedish. .there are many companies in the USA offering B737 type rating. I could name aeroservice in miami, pan-am ( associated with jetech intl')in FL. Also continental offers B737-300 efis for less than 10K USD their Houston center.. .What you need to understand if you are low houred pilot with no heavy jet time is that all these programs will carry extra costs to you as they are designed for experienced pilots. attending such 15 days course requires extensive home study and very often the school will not accept you if then know you have less than 700 hours ( honestly they'll ridicule you!). .Besides an FAA type rating cannot go on your JAA license right away and that depends again on the country you're in !! in the UK they say get 500 hours and we'll switch it to your uk-JAA license.. .About a JAA type rating it will cost you anywhere from 16500 GBP and UP.. .If you are keen on spending money. Eagle Jet in Miami is offering B737-800 NG JAA type rating plus 250 hours line experience for about 44000 USD.

Continental has no minimum hour requirement. There is a mob in Canada running a course for low timers as well. Yes these courses are designed for experienced pilots, however you do not call in today to start the course next week. I am a low timer and I am going to spend at least two months studying at home. Obviously a candidate should have the ATPL knowledge and advanced understanding of jet systems and EFIS. I am pretty comfortable with it having completed a degree in civil aviation. It is definitely not for people with CPL background. 1500 hours of flying in a C182 will not help you a bit towards this type rating.

Where does Eagle Jet do the 250 hrs line experience?

i took my logbooks to the UK CAA and only because i have over 12,900 hours total time and over 5000 hours in left seat of B737, they require me to take the air law test, and human performance and radio telephone tests and then a skills test in a 737 sim and they say they will give me a JAR-FCL ATPL with 737 rating, but only good on UK registered aircraft. . .. .so when one of you said, the JAA will accept the FAA type rating, i can tell you for sure they will not!!!

Bamsea01. .. .I believe that it is done in europe but dont know which carrier. sry.. .. .Stealth. .. .are you still looking at the yugoslav option?. .if so how would you then get the 500 on type for jar ?. .Thanks for your info and good luck.. . . . <small>[ 27 March 2002, 23:15: Message edited by: zoru ]</small>

I was always on a lookout for a better deal, so Continental’s offer was the best and I signed the contract with them. I spent hours over the past few months researching the facts and decided that my training should be done in two or three stages. This is the best solution that secures both the quality and thoughtful management of mine financial resources.. .Why would I pay thousands of pounds for the training in UK or with the CSA? Before they obtained their TRTO approval they were very competitive. Can they provide better training than Continental? Do not think so. They switched to western made a/c just 8 years ago.. .I succeeded to organise my line training with at list 5 airlines (Europe and Africa). I do not want to comment about that except to say that I spent hours on the phone talking to various training managers. Anyone can do that. I want to dismiss some comments from various people here implying that we are working for free. I can ensure you that none of these airlines who offered the line training had even tried to propose such an arrangement. In all cases their f/o would be present in the cockpit in the jump seat. Therefore I am buying my training, nothing immoral about that.. .I have already converted my Australian licences in one of the countries that are not full JAA members and a FAA rating would be added to it.. .The best way to achieve 500 hours on a 737 is to do 250 hours with each airline or maybe 3 airlines.. . . . <small>[ 28 March 2002, 13:32: Message edited by: Stealth ]</small>

Stealth,. .. .Where is continental and how much did your rating cost ?

Would a FAA 737 type help for Ryan, Easyjet etc.
 

I have a frozen ATPL, FAA ATP, 3,400 TT and 1400 SIC in a Falcon 20. I am considering to optain a FAA 737 type. Would this improve my chances to get on with Ryan Air, Easyjet or Sterling. Would apreciate any input.

I don't think putting the type rating on the FAA licence would make any difference as this would not allow you to fly G reg 737's. Why don't you get a JAR ATPL and put it on there? Either way in the current climate it is probably not worth it anyway, Easyjet and Ryanair are both readily willing to take non-type rated pilots, especially those with jet experience as you do.

Good luck :)

An FAA type rating isn't going to be much use to you in a JAA airline. In any case, EZ and Ryanair's requirement is for type rated and experienced pilots on the 737 for direct entry commands and accelerated promotion.
In general, a type rating alone isn't worth the money. Most airlines in the UK will want to put you through their full training system, whatever your previous experience, and will give little or no credit for a type rating with no associated line experience.

As Scroggs says....

WWW

The greaser,

Why don't you just stick to selling burgers and stop giving duff info to people and try and get to FATPL unfrozen. its people like you, that don't even have an airline job, that try to give advice that really annoy me.

Easondown,

You seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder, I only made an opinion based on what I think, it's not gospel, but at least I give advice rather than slagging off other posts. I think what I have said is reasonable advice - Scroggs has agreed that putting a 737 type rating on an FAA licence is not going to help.

I don't feel the tone of my message is upsetting to anyone, so.........

GET A LIFE

Maybe you should stick to early nights, or was your pathetic post an April Fool maybe?

dudu,

That frozen ATPL you have is JAA one? If so, you can do it in any JAA country. But if it is a matter of cost you can do it in the USA, and, providing the simulator is JAA approved, you can have a JAA TRE sit in on your check ride. Then you will have your B737 type rating on both licenses. If what I`m saying is wrong, please correct me anyone.

737 Type Rating
 

Stealth

thanks for the info on continental...but a couple of things are still bugging me-

did you manage to get the faa rating onto your jaa licence?
do you have to get the necessary 500 hours on type?
how do you get those hours without winning the lottery?

cheers and good luck ;)

Stealth,

Out of interest, just how much is all of this going to cost you??

Mutt :)