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Isn't it a bit premature to be telling people to go to a school when you have only been to MFC for one week? Having spent 4 months at Moncton earlier this year I would not recommend the school. In that time I achieved a JAA PPL and 20 hours (with a lot of stress) . The delays I experienced were due to very bad weather, flying once on good days, snagged a/c and the syllabus constantly being changed for no good reason.
I am not the only one who has had delays. After six weeks, one JAA did not go solo and had to return home. Two other students having spent 3 months at the school both had to return home without getting their PPL - FACT. CPL students fore just as bad - mainly due to the CFI taking on 5 students at the same time.
Please come back when you have finished your training and give a fair and accurate account.
Isn't it a bit premature to be telling people to go to a school when you have only been to MFC for one week? Having spent 4 months at Moncton earlier this year I would not recommend the school. In that time I achieved a JAA PPL and 20 hours (with a lot of stress) . The delays I experienced were due to very bad weather, flying once on good days, snagged a/c and the syllabus constantly being changed for no good reason.
I am not the only one who has had delays. After six weeks, one JAA did not go solo and had to return home. Two other students having spent 3 months at the school both had to return home without getting their PPL - FACT. CPL students fore just as bad - mainly due to the CFI taking on 5 students at the same time.
Please come back when you have finished your training and give a fair and accurate account.
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Why do pruners be so negative?
OK.,,,so you had a few hiccups with this FTO - main one being weather...big whoop.....
I attended the college last year sucessfully achieving my JAA PPL and returned to hour build this year with intentions to do the MECPL......YES an uncontrolable factor has been the weather - the summer has been rubbish compared to previous years....but flying once on good wx days? should have booked slots in advance
i have managed 3 flights on good w/x days or one flight lasting a couple of hours.....
As for the standard of training - this clearly cannot be faulted...In fact i rememeber an instructor telling me they recieved an email from a customer that was happy after he had returned home thanking him for a great time at the college (ring any bells fadge)?
All in all....the college is a great setup and we dont need certain pruners destroying the better FTOs out there. want anymore info? PM me...
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I attended the college last year sucessfully achieving my JAA PPL and returned to hour build this year with intentions to do the MECPL......YES an uncontrolable factor has been the weather - the summer has been rubbish compared to previous years....but flying once on good wx days? should have booked slots in advance
i have managed 3 flights on good w/x days or one flight lasting a couple of hours.....As for the standard of training - this clearly cannot be faulted...In fact i rememeber an instructor telling me they recieved an email from a customer that was happy after he had returned home thanking him for a great time at the college (ring any bells fadge)?
All in all....the college is a great setup and we dont need certain pruners destroying the better FTOs out there. want anymore info? PM me...
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I have never questioned the quality of MY instruction at MFC. I was quite happy with it. My instructor put in a lot of hard work at the end of my training to get me finished. What I am saying is that the delays at MFC have been and can be excessive and can end up costing people dearly. I would not call a student coming to MFC to complete a PPL in six weeks (which he was told was possible) and returning home without going solo a hiccup. The fact that it took me four months to complete a PPL is not a hiccup. Also the case that every single CPL student who has attended MFC this year (up until July) has been delayed in not a hiccup. Please don't be so patronising.
As for your accusation that I am out to destroy MFCs reputation, that is just complete nonsense. I am stating exactly what my experience at MFC has been. Isn't that what this thread is all about? I am not a mouthpiece for MFC and believe prospective students are entitle to hear what the reality of training in Canada is. Then they can make an informed decision on what FTO to choose.
I have never questioned the quality of MY instruction at MFC. I was quite happy with it. My instructor put in a lot of hard work at the end of my training to get me finished. What I am saying is that the delays at MFC have been and can be excessive and can end up costing people dearly. I would not call a student coming to MFC to complete a PPL in six weeks (which he was told was possible) and returning home without going solo a hiccup. The fact that it took me four months to complete a PPL is not a hiccup. Also the case that every single CPL student who has attended MFC this year (up until July) has been delayed in not a hiccup. Please don't be so patronising.
As for your accusation that I am out to destroy MFCs reputation, that is just complete nonsense. I am stating exactly what my experience at MFC has been. Isn't that what this thread is all about? I am not a mouthpiece for MFC and believe prospective students are entitle to hear what the reality of training in Canada is. Then they can make an informed decision on what FTO to choose.
Ill remember that.
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Regarding MFC, like fadge, I too had a dissappointing experience.
Being 1 of 5 CPL students, there were many issues regarding instructor/examiner availability and timescales. The sole instructor would occasionally cancel flyable days, after having flown with each of us the day before, claiming to be exhausted. A stretch of one week was not uncommon between flights, resulting in our stays being extended by many weeks. Having been quoted 6 weeks for a MECPL course, 3 months after arriving in Moncton, I was finally ready to test.
However, the quality of CPL instruction could not be faulted leaving me feeling prepared and confident for the test.
Being 1 of 5 CPL students, there were many issues regarding instructor/examiner availability and timescales. The sole instructor would occasionally cancel flyable days, after having flown with each of us the day before, claiming to be exhausted. A stretch of one week was not uncommon between flights, resulting in our stays being extended by many weeks. Having been quoted 6 weeks for a MECPL course, 3 months after arriving in Moncton, I was finally ready to test.
However, the quality of CPL instruction could not be faulted leaving me feeling prepared and confident for the test.
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I did my cpl time building and completed my instrument rating at Harvs Air in Manitoba. Usually there was one day a week where the weather was poor all day. I completed my cpl and ifr in four months. The worst of the weather is winds, but if you can handle winds and short strip landings then there is no problem.
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I have also recently completed a JAA CPL at MFC.
From what I can see, there are several opinions, and some that are just there to keep the peace.
I had a very disappointing experience at MFC. The Canadian licence training department seemed to be up to scratch, but the JAA department was far from being well managed.
PPL and CPL students at this FTO had enormous delays while I was there. There was no transparency about this fact, and it even went so far that the management denied there was even a problem in the first place. This lead to students either having to extend their stay considerably, or going home without completing the course.
Instruction quality was very good, the main problem being that it was hard to get much of it, and frequently. My CPL instructor often cancelled lessons for a whole variety of reasons. The weather was not often an issue, and had I not been so fixated on getting finished, I believe I would have had even more lessons cancelled.
Red tape is also a major issue at MFC. The number of hoops you have to jump through just to be allowed to hire a cessna solo for an hour is amazing. If you want to take this cessna more than 25NM from the airfield or land anywhere else, then that's another story altogether!
Overall, the instructors are good, but be prepared to double or triple any time estimates provided, and consequently budget more for living expenses etc...
Any questions, just PM me.
From what I can see, there are several opinions, and some that are just there to keep the peace.
I had a very disappointing experience at MFC. The Canadian licence training department seemed to be up to scratch, but the JAA department was far from being well managed.
PPL and CPL students at this FTO had enormous delays while I was there. There was no transparency about this fact, and it even went so far that the management denied there was even a problem in the first place. This lead to students either having to extend their stay considerably, or going home without completing the course.
Instruction quality was very good, the main problem being that it was hard to get much of it, and frequently. My CPL instructor often cancelled lessons for a whole variety of reasons. The weather was not often an issue, and had I not been so fixated on getting finished, I believe I would have had even more lessons cancelled.
Red tape is also a major issue at MFC. The number of hoops you have to jump through just to be allowed to hire a cessna solo for an hour is amazing. If you want to take this cessna more than 25NM from the airfield or land anywhere else, then that's another story altogether!
Overall, the instructors are good, but be prepared to double or triple any time estimates provided, and consequently budget more for living expenses etc...
Any questions, just PM me.
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need help for Canada
hi there,
waiting for someone to answer who got training at PROIFR or experienced people.. ur reply will be highly appeciated
I really wanna know more about Proifr? Actually, I am waiting visa documents sent by PROIFR.
how did u get impressed?
accomodations seems expensive provided by PROIFR at the airpor . Sharing a flat with full time students may lessen the living expenses. What are ur comments about the school and the accomodation?
really looking forward to hearing from u soon!!!
Best Regards
Serkan
waiting for someone to answer who got training at PROIFR or experienced people.. ur reply will be highly appeciated
I really wanna know more about Proifr? Actually, I am waiting visa documents sent by PROIFR.
how did u get impressed?
accomodations seems expensive provided by PROIFR at the airpor . Sharing a flat with full time students may lessen the living expenses. What are ur comments about the school and the accomodation?
really looking forward to hearing from u soon!!!
Best Regards
Serkan
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Moncton Flight College Canada
Hi all,
I recently finished my JAA Multi CPL with MFC,
It was a disappointing experience, like my colleagues have pointed out in previous posts, the JAA program suffers from a lack of instructors (CPL)
and poor management, the quality of instruction was good but the lack of it left most of us frustrated,
Most of us suffered long periods of time without any training, in my case, up to 14 days, with other periods reaching 11 days without flights and weather wasn't the main issue.
The Canadian side seems well run and the facilities are good, however the twin fleet is old and often grounded.
If you have any questions don't hesitate to PM me.
Regards to all.
I recently finished my JAA Multi CPL with MFC,
It was a disappointing experience, like my colleagues have pointed out in previous posts, the JAA program suffers from a lack of instructors (CPL)
and poor management, the quality of instruction was good but the lack of it left most of us frustrated,
Most of us suffered long periods of time without any training, in my case, up to 14 days, with other periods reaching 11 days without flights and weather wasn't the main issue.
The Canadian side seems well run and the facilities are good, however the twin fleet is old and often grounded.
If you have any questions don't hesitate to PM me.
Regards to all.
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Most people reading this will probably know who I am as I have just recently left the Flight College after obtaining a JAA PPL after 3 and a half months. Yes, this does sound like a long time to train for a PPL but it is well worth all the hard work and frustration.
A few people have recently posted bad comments about the CPL programme, however I was not involved in that side of the operation so therefore I will not comment. I arrived in Moncton in March 07 until June 07 then returning in August to complete my licence and to Hour Build.
Between march and june there were many delays due to the weather which everybody said was uncharacteristic for the season, such as snow at the end of April, however my instructor was willing to fly very early in the morning to avoid the weather build up in the afternoon. Aircraft availability was not a problem for myself however other opinions may differ. There is a great atmosphere between all the other students because they all help eachother to resolve situations that may occur.
The JAA programme will soon be in a grey period while the current CFI leaves and a new one arrives but i am sure that this will not take to long. I personally want to thank my instructor and examiner for all their hard work and for making me a competent Private Pilot. Thanks Guys !!!
Any Info required feel free to PM me.
Chris
A few people have recently posted bad comments about the CPL programme, however I was not involved in that side of the operation so therefore I will not comment. I arrived in Moncton in March 07 until June 07 then returning in August to complete my licence and to Hour Build.
Between march and june there were many delays due to the weather which everybody said was uncharacteristic for the season, such as snow at the end of April, however my instructor was willing to fly very early in the morning to avoid the weather build up in the afternoon. Aircraft availability was not a problem for myself however other opinions may differ. There is a great atmosphere between all the other students because they all help eachother to resolve situations that may occur.
The JAA programme will soon be in a grey period while the current CFI leaves and a new one arrives but i am sure that this will not take to long. I personally want to thank my instructor and examiner for all their hard work and for making me a competent Private Pilot. Thanks Guys !!!
Any Info required feel free to PM me.
Chris
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Hello!
Just a question...
The best flying school in canada?
what are the flying school in canada which gives JAA license?
I have received this plan about Professional pilot course at PROIFR:
PPL,CPL/IR/ME with 225h at 40923$ all inclusive(without accomodation and food)
what do u think about?
Just a question...
The best flying school in canada?
what are the flying school in canada which gives JAA license?
I have received this plan about Professional pilot course at PROIFR:
PPL,CPL/IR/ME with 225h at 40923$ all inclusive(without accomodation and food)
what do u think about?
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Attended ProIFR for my initial IFR rating. They are very good at what they do - that is for sure - and have a well developed IFR training system.
The Beech Duchess fleet is well maintained. One slight unusual feature that Pro used to operate on was that you will fly with lots of different instructors and not just one. This may/may not be your thing - its your call I guess. There are some instructors who have been there a long time and are well established, others who are a lot more transient and to a point go through the instructor "puppy mill". This doesn't mean that the quality of instruction necessarily suffers.
Make sure you check the a/c rental rates, as Pro did use to charge extra hobbs time for ground run up on every flight, which if I recall used to seem quite high (0.3?) Every flight I did had an almost mandatory ground briefing (even if it was the same old ZBB-WC-XX-HUH etc routing) which is also charged and I did feel was at times rather surplus to requirement.
Your other options on the field are Pacific Flying Club (good, but a BCIT (local college) Aviation diploma puppy mill) Canadian Flight Centre (also pretty good but smaller, one twin only I think)
Obviously, all these places only train for Canadian licences and ratings (Ste88 - if you're Italian this is worth thinking about because unless you can work in Canada, you're likely going to have to convert your Canadian ICAO licence to the JAA)
Boundary Bay airport is 17 miles south of Vancouver and as such there aren't a ton of accommodation options there. Your nearest towns are Ladner or Tsawassen (sp?!) or otherwise the Steveston / Richmond area which is up hwy 99 towards Vancouver. Richmond, near the main airport might be better for hotel accommodation.
The Beech Duchess fleet is well maintained. One slight unusual feature that Pro used to operate on was that you will fly with lots of different instructors and not just one. This may/may not be your thing - its your call I guess. There are some instructors who have been there a long time and are well established, others who are a lot more transient and to a point go through the instructor "puppy mill". This doesn't mean that the quality of instruction necessarily suffers.
Make sure you check the a/c rental rates, as Pro did use to charge extra hobbs time for ground run up on every flight, which if I recall used to seem quite high (0.3?) Every flight I did had an almost mandatory ground briefing (even if it was the same old ZBB-WC-XX-HUH etc routing) which is also charged and I did feel was at times rather surplus to requirement.
Your other options on the field are Pacific Flying Club (good, but a BCIT (local college) Aviation diploma puppy mill) Canadian Flight Centre (also pretty good but smaller, one twin only I think)
Obviously, all these places only train for Canadian licences and ratings (Ste88 - if you're Italian this is worth thinking about because unless you can work in Canada, you're likely going to have to convert your Canadian ICAO licence to the JAA)
Boundary Bay airport is 17 miles south of Vancouver and as such there aren't a ton of accommodation options there. Your nearest towns are Ladner or Tsawassen (sp?!) or otherwise the Steveston / Richmond area which is up hwy 99 towards Vancouver. Richmond, near the main airport might be better for hotel accommodation.
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ohh you are right buy my idea is this:
I'm going to Canada to obtain the canadian license till cpl me ir than became a CFI and so i could look a job place in canada as FI to give me a few of flight experience. After this I have several way to follow..I can think to waiting to reach 1500h to obtain ATPL(candian) so I try to enter in a regional airline in Canada...Only in the future i could convert my license(with ATPL)in JAA and come back in Italy or EU
I'm going to Canada to obtain the canadian license till cpl me ir than became a CFI and so i could look a job place in canada as FI to give me a few of flight experience. After this I have several way to follow..I can think to waiting to reach 1500h to obtain ATPL(candian) so I try to enter in a regional airline in Canada...Only in the future i could convert my license(with ATPL)in JAA and come back in Italy or EU
