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I am soon considering starting an intergrated course through to frozen ATPL with these guys. (I've done my research, gone and talked at length with them and others. Put myself through apptitude tests etc etc) and formed the opinion that these guys, galls & facilities sound best me & my budget.
What i would really appreciate is contact with someone who has been through their doors and has gained a job at the end of the course.
Thanks.
What i would really appreciate is contact with someone who has been through their doors and has gained a job at the end of the course.
Thanks.
This has wind up stamped right through it.
However, just in case:
SFT went bankrupt some months ago. You must therefore look elsewhere. I have several good suggestions but like a good little Moderator you'll have to email me privately to find out.
Cheers,
WWW
ps can you smell that coffee yet?
However, just in case:
SFT went bankrupt some months ago. You must therefore look elsewhere. I have several good suggestions but like a good little Moderator you'll have to email me privately to find out.
Cheers,
WWW
ps can you smell that coffee yet?
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what a good pilot he will make obvistly done a lot of reserch and talked to a lot of people!!.
have to agree with QHN.
However as this thead is now going I might as well add these following comments...
SFT has had a few offers(and are being seriously considered)by aviation training companies, and if all is well we may have a new FTO by april.
This is not a rumour.
In the not to distant future the building will be used for pilot training.
I say again for clarity... This is not a rumour.
SFT isn't being boken up into bits as someone last said.
Whoever made up that load of **** about there being a ground school in Bournemouth made up of Ex-ppsc instructors is a very sad person.
have to agree with QHN.
However as this thead is now going I might as well add these following comments...
SFT has had a few offers(and are being seriously considered)by aviation training companies, and if all is well we may have a new FTO by april.
This is not a rumour.
In the not to distant future the building will be used for pilot training.
I say again for clarity... This is not a rumour.
SFT isn't being boken up into bits as someone last said.
Whoever made up that load of **** about there being a ground school in Bournemouth made up of Ex-ppsc instructors is a very sad person.
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OK OK large amount of egg on face!!
(The jab they give u at the medical for being perfect hasn't come in to effect yet)
But Spit747's suggestion of being put on a dez island for the past few months isn't too far from reality.
But seriously can anyone recommend a good alternative school?
(The jab they give u at the medical for being perfect hasn't come in to effect yet)
But Spit747's suggestion of being put on a dez island for the past few months isn't too far from reality.
But seriously can anyone recommend a good alternative school?
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Cheshire cat,
I am not sure where you get your info from but here are a few facts.
a) a maintenance organistaion (owned by a guy whose name featured quite a lot in the bible) on the field has bought sft's hangar they are also looking at using sfts office space.
b) another fto on the field is looking to rent some of sfts offices from the above mentioned.
This fto has been around for about 18 months but would be looking to pick up where sft left off except on a smaller scale.
c) Do not discount a groundschool setup affiliated to the above fto run by ex ppsc types.
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I am not sure where you get your info from but here are a few facts.
a) a maintenance organistaion (owned by a guy whose name featured quite a lot in the bible) on the field has bought sft's hangar they are also looking at using sfts office space.
b) another fto on the field is looking to rent some of sfts offices from the above mentioned.
This fto has been around for about 18 months but would be looking to pick up where sft left off except on a smaller scale.
c) Do not discount a groundschool setup affiliated to the above fto run by ex ppsc types.
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SFT never went bankrupt, WWW dear boy. They went into administration, a very different situation. Latest info from the administrators, Fanshawe Lofts (who probably know a little more than the comics above <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> . Cheshire Cat EGHH is the only one close to the truth) is that a contract should be signed this week for the purchase of SFT Aviation Ltd. Due to commercial confidentiality FL would not tell us details until next week - such as who has bought the company and what their plans are for it. However they were able to confirm that the purchaser is in the business of flight training provision.
I am happy to post as many details as I have when more is available.
VNE if SFT get back on their feet I should be able to give you inside information, if they use any of the old groundschool staff, as I used to teach General Nav there last year. Otherwise I would certainly recommend Bristol for distance learning. Others I don't know much about.
I am happy to post as many details as I have when more is available.
VNE if SFT get back on their feet I should be able to give you inside information, if they use any of the old groundschool staff, as I used to teach General Nav there last year. Otherwise I would certainly recommend Bristol for distance learning. Others I don't know much about.
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Cheshire Cat wrote:
[quote] SFT isn't being boken up into bits as someone last said <hr></blockquote>
The majority of SFT's old building has been sold to a company that has nothing at all to do with aviation (Apart, perhaps, from painting aeroplanes.). However, the area containing the FNPTs has been leased to a separate company along with said FNPTs. I wonder what they could be intending to do with them??
[quote] Whoever made up that load of **** about there being a ground school in Bournemouth made up of Ex-ppsc instructors is a very sad person <hr></blockquote>
A consortium of ex-PPSC instructors has already submitted a proposal to the CAA for modular theoretical knowledge training approval.
Stick to what you're good at, Cheshire - a silly grin!
[quote] SFT isn't being boken up into bits as someone last said <hr></blockquote>
The majority of SFT's old building has been sold to a company that has nothing at all to do with aviation (Apart, perhaps, from painting aeroplanes.). However, the area containing the FNPTs has been leased to a separate company along with said FNPTs. I wonder what they could be intending to do with them??
[quote] Whoever made up that load of **** about there being a ground school in Bournemouth made up of Ex-ppsc instructors is a very sad person <hr></blockquote>
A consortium of ex-PPSC instructors has already submitted a proposal to the CAA for modular theoretical knowledge training approval.
Stick to what you're good at, Cheshire - a silly grin!
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Send Clowns - get out into the real world
<<SFT never went bankrupt, WWW dear boy. They went into administration, a very different situation.>>
However you want to pick at it, SFT still closed its doors, took with it a lot of money, and slowed down/shut down a lot of dreams. And no, I am not slagging of SFT, that is just bad business but you cannot continue to blow their trumpet either!
<<SFT never went bankrupt, WWW dear boy. They went into administration, a very different situation.>>
However you want to pick at it, SFT still closed its doors, took with it a lot of money, and slowed down/shut down a lot of dreams. And no, I am not slagging of SFT, that is just bad business but you cannot continue to blow their trumpet either!
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Bankrupt, bust, under, administration, popped its cloggs, shut down, ceased trading or shut its doors. Its all the same to me.
Speculation about anything that comes from the ashes is a little pointless UNLESS you are compelled to train at Bournemouth airport. There are many excellent schools elsewhere you ought to select ahead of a new outfit at EGHH.
Any new outfit will have no track record or reputation for you to assess. Whilst it might contain some excellent names from previous ventures you will have little opportunity to make an informed training decision for at least their first 6 months of trading.
Personally I would be looking at some of the excellent established school out there - I am sure you can find the names...
PS
<Peter I have taken the liberty of editing your post very slightly as it read slightly like you were speaking for me. I personally think that if some of the characters combined with the excellent sims that SFT had can be combined then we might see a halfway decent school arise from the ashes. WWW>
[ 11 January 2002: Message edited by: Wee Weasley Welshman ]</p>
Speculation about anything that comes from the ashes is a little pointless UNLESS you are compelled to train at Bournemouth airport. There are many excellent schools elsewhere you ought to select ahead of a new outfit at EGHH.
Any new outfit will have no track record or reputation for you to assess. Whilst it might contain some excellent names from previous ventures you will have little opportunity to make an informed training decision for at least their first 6 months of trading.
Personally I would be looking at some of the excellent established school out there - I am sure you can find the names...
PS
<Peter I have taken the liberty of editing your post very slightly as it read slightly like you were speaking for me. I personally think that if some of the characters combined with the excellent sims that SFT had can be combined then we might see a halfway decent school arise from the ashes. WWW>
[ 11 January 2002: Message edited by: Wee Weasley Welshman ]</p>
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"Facts not Fiction" well bankrupt is a legally defined term, and the wrong one for this case.. SFT did not go bankrupt this is a Fact, in the real world, not Fiction. Had you any knowledge of SFT's current situation you would be aware of this this, thus WWW clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. In fact looking at the Oxford Dictionary of Law 'bankrupt' is a term applied only to individuals, not companies. Companies can go into administration or are wound up (go into liquidation), and the latter a worse situation. SFT was in administration until this week.
The same dictionary defines an Administration Order as "2. An order of the court under the insolvency act 1986 made in relation to a company in financial difficulties with a view to securing its survival as a going concern ...". Well it looks like that view has been realised.
It is a bit silly to start saying it's "bad business" to close for business. It is no business at all. They shut down peoples dreams, but that was never the intention, and largely due to factors way outside their control (if you are interested email me, and I will tell you what I know, but it is history now and largely irrelevant in detail). Why should I not blow their trumpet? They were a very good training organisation, cheaper than many and I would judge giving better service.
I will continue to believe Fanshawe Lofts assesment of the state of the company sale, as the negociations are confidential so no-one else knows at the moment, except the purchaser. More may be heard this weekend, but I am away. On Monday I will find out as much as I can, and post here anything I think relevant.
[ 11 January 2002: Message edited by: Send Clowns ]</p>
The same dictionary defines an Administration Order as "2. An order of the court under the insolvency act 1986 made in relation to a company in financial difficulties with a view to securing its survival as a going concern ...". Well it looks like that view has been realised.
It is a bit silly to start saying it's "bad business" to close for business. It is no business at all. They shut down peoples dreams, but that was never the intention, and largely due to factors way outside their control (if you are interested email me, and I will tell you what I know, but it is history now and largely irrelevant in detail). Why should I not blow their trumpet? They were a very good training organisation, cheaper than many and I would judge giving better service.
I will continue to believe Fanshawe Lofts assesment of the state of the company sale, as the negociations are confidential so no-one else knows at the moment, except the purchaser. More may be heard this weekend, but I am away. On Monday I will find out as much as I can, and post here anything I think relevant.
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Peter Skellan you are starting to sound very self-centred and self-opinionated. It may not matter to you, but to those of us who lost money or a job, or in my case both as a customer and employee, it matters a great deal.
Whatever new school does start up here will be assessed when we know who is operating and how they go about operating the school. SFT in its previous incarnation was arguably the best school in the country for studying a modular ATPL. Certainly it gave better value for money than most of the well-known schools.
You don't know where the staff will come from, they may well have a good long record, as many of the staff of the original SFT are still in the area. So stop telling people from your ill-informed perspective what they ought to be doing. Feel free to recommend or give advice, but unless you explain why you should be judged to be an aviation training consultant, ought is not a word you should use. I assume from what you say you have not trained yet, but having both trained for an ATPL and taught students for ATPLs I would not tell people what they ought to do. What people ought to do is up to them, but I would recommend they judge for themselves the company that restarts SFT's operation.
Whatever new school does start up here will be assessed when we know who is operating and how they go about operating the school. SFT in its previous incarnation was arguably the best school in the country for studying a modular ATPL. Certainly it gave better value for money than most of the well-known schools.
You don't know where the staff will come from, they may well have a good long record, as many of the staff of the original SFT are still in the area. So stop telling people from your ill-informed perspective what they ought to be doing. Feel free to recommend or give advice, but unless you explain why you should be judged to be an aviation training consultant, ought is not a word you should use. I assume from what you say you have not trained yet, but having both trained for an ATPL and taught students for ATPLs I would not tell people what they ought to do. What people ought to do is up to them, but I would recommend they judge for themselves the company that restarts SFT's operation.
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Well Send clowns, I'm with WWW on this one, in my book SFT has gone bankrupt! And, I am willing to bet that no wannabees will ever see their money again. I strongly suspect that the only ones who may even get a sniff of anything salvageable will be secured creditors and those don't include wannabees!
Whatever you choose to call SFT's demise, it is still otherwise known as BANKRUPTCY to the man in the street and the fact is whether the administrators salvage the company or not, I am willing to bet that at best, a new SFT will rise from the ashes of the old SFT leaving wannabees out in the cold and losing all of their money! And that doesn't matter which dictionary you look up the word "bankruptcy" in! I believe that the mushroom system has really worked in your propogation (fed bull **** and kept in the dark)
Do you honestly and seriously believe that any wanabee will ever see a penny of their money or ever receive any of the training which they have paid for? the companies recently trading as SFT have gone, gone, GONE!
Whatever you choose to call SFT's demise, it is still otherwise known as BANKRUPTCY to the man in the street and the fact is whether the administrators salvage the company or not, I am willing to bet that at best, a new SFT will rise from the ashes of the old SFT leaving wannabees out in the cold and losing all of their money! And that doesn't matter which dictionary you look up the word "bankruptcy" in! I believe that the mushroom system has really worked in your propogation (fed bull **** and kept in the dark)
Do you honestly and seriously believe that any wanabee will ever see a penny of their money or ever receive any of the training which they have paid for? the companies recently trading as SFT have gone, gone, GONE!
Sensible,
Having just re-read SC's posts I don't think he ever suggested (but I stand to be corrected) that students would receive any of their money from the SFT administrators so I think to criticise him for something he hasn't said is unfair.
SCs
Clarity of thought (pedantry to some) is an important quality in aviation. In this case, however, arguing the toss over the definition of bankruptcy is a rather pointless exercise and only likely to further inflame those who did lose money. You're loyalty to your former employer is admirable but, please, quit while you're behind.
Having just re-read SC's posts I don't think he ever suggested (but I stand to be corrected) that students would receive any of their money from the SFT administrators so I think to criticise him for something he hasn't said is unfair.
SCs
Clarity of thought (pedantry to some) is an important quality in aviation. In this case, however, arguing the toss over the definition of bankruptcy is a rather pointless exercise and only likely to further inflame those who did lose money. You're loyalty to your former employer is admirable but, please, quit while you're behind.
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Clowns and Cheshire.
SFT no longer functions as a company. The job of the administrators is to sell the stricken company as a going concern. However we are now almost three months down the line and there is no sign of life. having said that another fto on the field not too far from sft are in the procees of getting approval from the CAA to run a new school at sft premises however on a very much smaller scale. (see my previous thread)
Cheshire I thought you would be promoting that well known fto next door to your current place of employment.Rumour has it they are producing the goods in terms of pass rates in both IRs and GFTs.
(Albeit with al little help from some very good instructors from sft).
Ref the sim FNPT2 or even R2D2 at sft if one looks at former thread regarding sft it is no secret that a certain person has bought it and will be working with (emphasis on the word WITH)
the fto hoping to step into the rather large shoes of sft. (a clue to the fto is that it has the same number of letters in its name as sft and is located on the nw side of the field).
Anyway enuff said time to open another tin!!
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SFT no longer functions as a company. The job of the administrators is to sell the stricken company as a going concern. However we are now almost three months down the line and there is no sign of life. having said that another fto on the field not too far from sft are in the procees of getting approval from the CAA to run a new school at sft premises however on a very much smaller scale. (see my previous thread)
Cheshire I thought you would be promoting that well known fto next door to your current place of employment.Rumour has it they are producing the goods in terms of pass rates in both IRs and GFTs.
(Albeit with al little help from some very good instructors from sft).
Ref the sim FNPT2 or even R2D2 at sft if one looks at former thread regarding sft it is no secret that a certain person has bought it and will be working with (emphasis on the word WITH)
the fto hoping to step into the rather large shoes of sft. (a clue to the fto is that it has the same number of letters in its name as sft and is located on the nw side of the field).
Anyway enuff said time to open another tin!!
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Send Clowns,
I would like to remind you of a couple of points you made on 21 August 2001:
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Note that I work for SFT, in the groundschool. Our managing director has just returned from visiting Naples. I understand that he is happy with what he found there (he has shown himself perfectly able to change his partner in this course if necessary, recently changing from OBA).
Ambassador's post in this thread is confirmed. They have stopped some of their maintenance at Naples, and have another maintenance base still up and running. The closure was for efficiency and to concentrate on training at Naples.
Florida Air had its operator's certificate suspended because of the citizenship of the owner - he is not an American citizen. It is expected that the certificate will be reinstated in the next few weeks.
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Since you have all this inside information, please tell me what you think of your statement from August.
I might be wrong, but the warning that Ambassador and SFT were in trouble was discarded by yourself and you said that everything was going well.
I believe that Ambassador Airways is no longer trading and their offices, classrooms, and Hangar along with several of their aircraft have been purchased by other FTOs. I do not dare say Ambassador went Bankrupt for fear of another Oxford Dictionary lesson.
Last Question, what is going on with Florida Air? I have not had any word of the Airline operating, thought you might know.
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I would like to remind you of a couple of points you made on 21 August 2001:
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Note that I work for SFT, in the groundschool. Our managing director has just returned from visiting Naples. I understand that he is happy with what he found there (he has shown himself perfectly able to change his partner in this course if necessary, recently changing from OBA).
Ambassador's post in this thread is confirmed. They have stopped some of their maintenance at Naples, and have another maintenance base still up and running. The closure was for efficiency and to concentrate on training at Naples.
Florida Air had its operator's certificate suspended because of the citizenship of the owner - he is not an American citizen. It is expected that the certificate will be reinstated in the next few weeks.
<hr></blockquote>
Since you have all this inside information, please tell me what you think of your statement from August.
I might be wrong, but the warning that Ambassador and SFT were in trouble was discarded by yourself and you said that everything was going well.
I believe that Ambassador Airways is no longer trading and their offices, classrooms, and Hangar along with several of their aircraft have been purchased by other FTOs. I do not dare say Ambassador went Bankrupt for fear of another Oxford Dictionary lesson.
Last Question, what is going on with Florida Air? I have not had any word of the Airline operating, thought you might know.
Please Enlighten Us,
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Don't you mean SS/E side of the field. Unless a new FTO has started in the industrial area.
As for the sale of SFT. I noticed on a list of busted companies for sale, a certain flight trainng school in Bournemouth. With an annual turnover of 3 million and a 'forward order book' of 1.8 million. Now who can that be ????
In this climate its only worth breaking up. Even aircraft sale are slumped and all those twins wont sell that fast unless its a fire sale.
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Don't you mean SS/E side of the field. Unless a new FTO has started in the industrial area.
As for the sale of SFT. I noticed on a list of busted companies for sale, a certain flight trainng school in Bournemouth. With an annual turnover of 3 million and a 'forward order book' of 1.8 million. Now who can that be ????
In this climate its only worth breaking up. Even aircraft sale are slumped and all those twins wont sell that fast unless its a fire sale.
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Ham Phisted, I read into Send Clowns posting that SFT was not bankrupt and therefore SFT was not dead. By further inference I took that Send Clowns was offering a possibility that SFT would get the kiss of life by some divine force and trade as if nothing had happened. But here in the real World!!!
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Lightning,
Negative; the interested party is on the northwest industrial estate but a much bigger clue would be to re-arrange the the following letters TEA.
Reference the turnover and order book do we all live in a world of gnomes and goblins.(or maybe even sunreaders). I would certainly paint a better picture if i wanted to offload an ayling (oops I mean ailing) company.
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Negative; the interested party is on the northwest industrial estate but a much bigger clue would be to re-arrange the the following letters TEA.
Reference the turnover and order book do we all live in a world of gnomes and goblins.(or maybe even sunreaders). I would certainly paint a better picture if i wanted to offload an ayling (oops I mean ailing) company.
<img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">