Worst Aviation Film
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OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Note the common thread in most of the "Stinkers"? "GOD BLESS AMERICA". All it takes is an outbreak of patriotism in hollywood, a budget that can't stretch to the lead actors pay AND good special effects and then you have to bring in the obligatory British Baddie to try to save the day.
Thank god the yanks stayed out of the Battle of Britain (film and real life).
OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Note the common thread in most of the "Stinkers"? "GOD BLESS AMERICA". All it takes is an outbreak of patriotism in hollywood, a budget that can't stretch to the lead actors pay AND good special effects and then you have to bring in the obligatory British Baddie to try to save the day.
Thank god the yanks stayed out of the Battle of Britain (film and real life).
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Being the sad looser that I am, I have to admit to seeing all these second rate films on Sky at about 12 noon!
Worst ones have to be Airspeed, Executive Decision, that stupid one where that girl is flying a private 727, (which gets wripped in half by a fuel boom), the very gay Iron Eagle series, where a 17 year old rescues his dad in a F16, and Con Air.
In Con Air you see a Herc full of nutbar convicts that happens to have a tidy arsenal in the bottom, RPGs, Shotguns, machine guns, jeez it was funny.
Oh the classic "its a mig" (points to F5) and the Top Gun line, "You flew against a Mig 38-INVERTED!!"
HAHAHAA!
just looked back over the thread, hey Scroggs, archive this baby, as a warning of what never to watch!
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Worst ones have to be Airspeed, Executive Decision, that stupid one where that girl is flying a private 727, (which gets wripped in half by a fuel boom), the very gay Iron Eagle series, where a 17 year old rescues his dad in a F16, and Con Air.
In Con Air you see a Herc full of nutbar convicts that happens to have a tidy arsenal in the bottom, RPGs, Shotguns, machine guns, jeez it was funny.
Oh the classic "its a mig" (points to F5) and the Top Gun line, "You flew against a Mig 38-INVERTED!!"
HAHAHAA!
just looked back over the thread, hey Scroggs, archive this baby, as a warning of what never to watch!
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Moggie:
Stupid, thoughtless comment, bound to upset anyone over here whose relatives flew ( and died ) in one of the Eagle Squadrons. Not to mention all the desperately needed equipment supplied to us. Do some research. Idiot.
I'm ex-RAF, and very humbled by the courtesy my hosts at my employer ( world's largest airline ) treat me with. I always regard myself as a guest in their country.
Guess I'll just have to explain to some of my colleagues tomorrow the display of British yoof kuwlcher you've trumpeted.
I think we've been thru' this on other threads....
Sorry, folks, back to the feature movie....
Stupid, thoughtless comment, bound to upset anyone over here whose relatives flew ( and died ) in one of the Eagle Squadrons. Not to mention all the desperately needed equipment supplied to us. Do some research. Idiot.
I'm ex-RAF, and very humbled by the courtesy my hosts at my employer ( world's largest airline ) treat me with. I always regard myself as a guest in their country.
Guess I'll just have to explain to some of my colleagues tomorrow the display of British yoof kuwlcher you've trumpeted.
I think we've been thru' this on other threads....
Sorry, folks, back to the feature movie....
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Don't forget the Bond film from a couple years back with Pierce Brosnan where in the opening scene the C185 or some such thing drives off a cliff with no pilot....
....our hero Bond motorcycles off the cliff, skydives down to the plumetting plane, hops in a pulls out of the dive!!! Now that is friggin ACE in my books
....our hero Bond motorcycles off the cliff, skydives down to the plumetting plane, hops in a pulls out of the dive!!! Now that is friggin ACE in my books
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How about the opening of the bond-movie "License to kill". Where the not very Bondish (he lasted only two movies I think)Timothy Dalton joins the US coastguard in a Dolphin helicopter to chase a druglord in his cessna. Good old 007 ends up jumping on to the cessna and tiying the copters' rescue-cable-thingie around its tail. After this daring operation the helicopter tows the bad guy back to base, while bond and his loyal side-kick felix parachute down to the wedding they were supposed attend. Magnificent.
Wonder if that could........---- N'ah, no way
Wonder if that could........---- N'ah, no way
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You may wish to know that several of my relatives died in battles that were re-written by the Americans (not the capital A) when Hollywood decided that too many other countries were involved in defeating various tyrants. I think I'm qualified to be p****d off that their memory is sullied in order to make the Americans look good.
I have not forgotten the Eagle squadrons who did a great job but the Americans (as a nation) only came into the war when someone had a go at them directly. They did not seem to want to come in before, leaving us to do the job in Europe and elsewhere with what was left of our depleted, under equipped forces and any we could pull in from the colonies.
My great uncle died on the beach on D-day - but if you believe Hollywood he was never even there. Who needs to do the research? Not me.
And lighten up anyway - I thought this was meant to be a humourous thread.
You may wish to know that several of my relatives died in battles that were re-written by the Americans (not the capital A) when Hollywood decided that too many other countries were involved in defeating various tyrants. I think I'm qualified to be p****d off that their memory is sullied in order to make the Americans look good.
I have not forgotten the Eagle squadrons who did a great job but the Americans (as a nation) only came into the war when someone had a go at them directly. They did not seem to want to come in before, leaving us to do the job in Europe and elsewhere with what was left of our depleted, under equipped forces and any we could pull in from the colonies.
My great uncle died on the beach on D-day - but if you believe Hollywood he was never even there. Who needs to do the research? Not me.
And lighten up anyway - I thought this was meant to be a humourous thread.
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Can't forget Airport 75
The one where the GA pilot has a heart attack and crashes into the 747 resulting in the first officer being sucked out of the aircraft. Then "Nancy" our intrepid flight attendant flies the aircraft until some bright spark decides to get a helicopter to fly parallel to the 747 whilst they winch another pilot into the hole that was created by the heart attack victim.
A classic that should not be missed!
The one where the GA pilot has a heart attack and crashes into the 747 resulting in the first officer being sucked out of the aircraft. Then "Nancy" our intrepid flight attendant flies the aircraft until some bright spark decides to get a helicopter to fly parallel to the 747 whilst they winch another pilot into the hole that was created by the heart attack victim.
A classic that should not be missed!
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What about the scene in Charlies Angels where our heroes jump out of an airliner in the cruise by opening the rear cabin door. Hmmm - quite an amazing feat considering that they would have to open the door against cabin pressure.
The worst aviation scene of all time has to be in 'Plan Nine from Outer Space' directed by Ed Wood. Ed Wood is widely recognised as being the worst movie director of all time(check out the web site)
One scene shows 2 airline pilots in the 'cockpit' of an airliner. The flightdeck is roughly constructed out of plywood and the pilots are shown stirring the controls like porridge as fake clouds drift past outside. Hilarious stuff.....
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The worst aviation scene of all time has to be in 'Plan Nine from Outer Space' directed by Ed Wood. Ed Wood is widely recognised as being the worst movie director of all time(check out the web site)
One scene shows 2 airline pilots in the 'cockpit' of an airliner. The flightdeck is roughly constructed out of plywood and the pilots are shown stirring the controls like porridge as fake clouds drift past outside. Hilarious stuff.....
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Moogie,
You do your heroic uncle a great disservice by acting and sounding like a total idiot! your grasp of history is poor, and don't take anything made in Hollywood too seriously, they make movies for American audiences and will do anything if they can make a buck. Did you expect America to enter a war not affecting our shores or intersts at the time, and send millions of our sons to die!! if thats the case, why don't you suit up right now and go rescue some third world nation embroiled in a civil war somewhere. Just thank God that when we did show up things happened the way they did, or would you have rathered had others holding Atomic weapons, etc.....now, back to the original thread
You do your heroic uncle a great disservice by acting and sounding like a total idiot! your grasp of history is poor, and don't take anything made in Hollywood too seriously, they make movies for American audiences and will do anything if they can make a buck. Did you expect America to enter a war not affecting our shores or intersts at the time, and send millions of our sons to die!! if thats the case, why don't you suit up right now and go rescue some third world nation embroiled in a civil war somewhere. Just thank God that when we did show up things happened the way they did, or would you have rathered had others holding Atomic weapons, etc.....now, back to the original thread
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ROC -
you folks got involved in Kuwait, Vietnam, Korea etc.- which of your shores were affected then?
I'm not trying to offend anyone and my point at the start was that: Yes- Hollywood do do it for American audiences and Yes - they do tinker with the facts to try to make it look good for those audiences. The problem is, that that tinkering with the facts (generally) spoils the film for aviators (e.g. the rear ramp in the 747) and people with a reasonable grasp of history (and that does include me). This does nothing to make America or Americans look good beyond their own country.
I have nothing against Americans (my next door neighbour is one and is a very nice chap and a friend!) but the clowns in Hollywood seem to want to give out the impression that you are all gun mad, ultra-patriotic psychos - which is complete cr*p of course. Like us you have your share of nutters (well, in fact yuo seem to have more than your fair share - influenced by TV/Movie violence?????) but Hollywood seem to wish to convey the impresion that this is the norm.
If I gave the impression that I am not grateful for american participation in WWII then I am sorry - that was not my intention. I was just saying that the very low key american presence at the start of the war does at least save us from Hollywood rewriting history to give the impression that Alec Baldwin or Kurt Russell won the battle of Britain on his own (with the aid of one old biplane and a swiss army knife - oops, that's the A-team).
I hope this clears up what I was getting at and that we can now return to the main job of taking the p*ss out of awful movies.
PS RRAAMJET - at 36 I don't qualify as a member of Britain's yoof kuwlter but have been around the world enough in my aeroplanes (Oz to Hawaii, North Pole to southern Africa, Highlands to Hong Kong) and done enough interesting, unusual and sometimes dangerous work to qualify as an experienced aviator. At least, I think so!
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you folks got involved in Kuwait, Vietnam, Korea etc.- which of your shores were affected then?
I'm not trying to offend anyone and my point at the start was that: Yes- Hollywood do do it for American audiences and Yes - they do tinker with the facts to try to make it look good for those audiences. The problem is, that that tinkering with the facts (generally) spoils the film for aviators (e.g. the rear ramp in the 747) and people with a reasonable grasp of history (and that does include me). This does nothing to make America or Americans look good beyond their own country.
I have nothing against Americans (my next door neighbour is one and is a very nice chap and a friend!) but the clowns in Hollywood seem to want to give out the impression that you are all gun mad, ultra-patriotic psychos - which is complete cr*p of course. Like us you have your share of nutters (well, in fact yuo seem to have more than your fair share - influenced by TV/Movie violence?????) but Hollywood seem to wish to convey the impresion that this is the norm.
If I gave the impression that I am not grateful for american participation in WWII then I am sorry - that was not my intention. I was just saying that the very low key american presence at the start of the war does at least save us from Hollywood rewriting history to give the impression that Alec Baldwin or Kurt Russell won the battle of Britain on his own (with the aid of one old biplane and a swiss army knife - oops, that's the A-team).
I hope this clears up what I was getting at and that we can now return to the main job of taking the p*ss out of awful movies.
PS RRAAMJET - at 36 I don't qualify as a member of Britain's yoof kuwlter but have been around the world enough in my aeroplanes (Oz to Hawaii, North Pole to southern Africa, Highlands to Hong Kong) and done enough interesting, unusual and sometimes dangerous work to qualify as an experienced aviator. At least, I think so!
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Moogie,
Please don't ever mix up the left-wing liberal losers that populate hollywood, and the garbage they produce as representitive of most Americans. Unfortunately alot of the rest of the world does. Remember, before WWII, America had the 9th largest army in the world, after #8 Portugal, and we were essentially an isolationists country. From our perspective you Europeans were always fighting, and after helping out in WWI, with resultant American deaths, most Americans wanted nothing to do with anything going on your way, Your right, after we were bombed at Pearl Harbor, we mobilized, and by wars end became an unwitting Super-power, so all the post WWII events, like Vietnam,Kuwait, etc has to be viewed from a different frame of reference vis a vis pre-WWII. Expecting the US to help England out in 1939, is like expecting you to have voluntarily sent your boys over to Vietnam in the 60's...Back to the original thread, a Navy friend of mine who flew F-14's was on the carrier as they filmed "Hunt for Red October" on watching the jets land aboard the carrier, he noticed that Alec Baldwin, the star of the movie, clapped in a most schoolgirlish way as each jet trapped aboard..so much for his tough guy persona on the screen, remember all these tough guy actors were the geeks in Drama Class in high school!!!!!!!
Please don't ever mix up the left-wing liberal losers that populate hollywood, and the garbage they produce as representitive of most Americans. Unfortunately alot of the rest of the world does. Remember, before WWII, America had the 9th largest army in the world, after #8 Portugal, and we were essentially an isolationists country. From our perspective you Europeans were always fighting, and after helping out in WWI, with resultant American deaths, most Americans wanted nothing to do with anything going on your way, Your right, after we were bombed at Pearl Harbor, we mobilized, and by wars end became an unwitting Super-power, so all the post WWII events, like Vietnam,Kuwait, etc has to be viewed from a different frame of reference vis a vis pre-WWII. Expecting the US to help England out in 1939, is like expecting you to have voluntarily sent your boys over to Vietnam in the 60's...Back to the original thread, a Navy friend of mine who flew F-14's was on the carrier as they filmed "Hunt for Red October" on watching the jets land aboard the carrier, he noticed that Alec Baldwin, the star of the movie, clapped in a most schoolgirlish way as each jet trapped aboard..so much for his tough guy persona on the screen, remember all these tough guy actors were the geeks in Drama Class in high school!!!!!!!
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Airwolf (classic series) has to be one of the best. It can travel near to mach 1, pretty good for a chopper!
Its predessesor Blue Thunder was another classic helicopter series. What I loved about Blue Thunder was that it could go on "silent running" and so the bad guys couldn't hear it when it flew over their heads. Must have been top secret technology the producers used in filming! lol
Its predessesor Blue Thunder was another classic helicopter series. What I loved about Blue Thunder was that it could go on "silent running" and so the bad guys couldn't hear it when it flew over their heads. Must have been top secret technology the producers used in filming!
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For me the worst bit of a Bond film has to be the one where Pierce Brosnan is on a BMW motorbike with a girl on the back being chased through the streets by baddies in a helicopter. When they finally corner him in a dead end, they stop him escaping by tilting the main rotor blades to 45 degrees to block the road and just hovering there!!! Aw come on... there's a difference between being far fetched and just blatantly ignoring reality!!!
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ROC-
"left-wing liberal losers that populate hollywood" - guess me now know where your colours are nailed.
Do you still not get my point? Whatever the political persuasion of the people involved (don't forget that some are very Right wing) buggering about with the facts of history, science etc. just makes the perpetrators look dumb. And if that movie is meant to be a big patriotic flag waver such as Top Gun or Executive Decision, the whole country gets tarred with the same brush. The mud sticks - plenty of people think that England (few know about Britain) is still living in the age of Pride and Prejudice or worse still, Robin Hood Prince of Thieves).
Unfortunately, it will only get worse as technology (real world and SFX) advances. Directors will do things because they can, not because it makes the movie better.
How about Independence Day as a stinker - when alcoholic cropy sprayer Randy Quaid brings down the baddies after just an hour's classroom time learning how to drive his F15?
"left-wing liberal losers that populate hollywood" - guess me now know where your colours are nailed.
Do you still not get my point? Whatever the political persuasion of the people involved (don't forget that some are very Right wing) buggering about with the facts of history, science etc. just makes the perpetrators look dumb. And if that movie is meant to be a big patriotic flag waver such as Top Gun or Executive Decision, the whole country gets tarred with the same brush. The mud sticks - plenty of people think that England (few know about Britain) is still living in the age of Pride and Prejudice or worse still, Robin Hood Prince of Thieves).
Unfortunately, it will only get worse as technology (real world and SFX) advances. Directors will do things because they can, not because it makes the movie better.
How about Independence Day as a stinker - when alcoholic cropy sprayer Randy Quaid brings down the baddies after just an hour's classroom time learning how to drive his F15?
