Easyjet Cadet Sponsorship
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From: Sydney
it isn't cricket
I don't like this arbitrary age cut-off business.
I mean, sure, they can specify whatever characteristics they want and there will still be more than enough applicants to choose from, and sure, being 26 and a half I've got a few months less to run until retirement or loss of medical, but, in terms of still being fresh and trainable, I just happened to do a 4-year Scottish degree, take a gap year, do a Masters and then by popular demand get elected to sabbatical office. Now here I am, free at last at 26, and ready to sign up to a career, and already I'm too old, presumably according to bureaucrats and statisticians. How fair is that!! What a crap world this is
I'm just going to apply anyway if the online form will let me
I mean, sure, they can specify whatever characteristics they want and there will still be more than enough applicants to choose from, and sure, being 26 and a half I've got a few months less to run until retirement or loss of medical, but, in terms of still being fresh and trainable, I just happened to do a 4-year Scottish degree, take a gap year, do a Masters and then by popular demand get elected to sabbatical office. Now here I am, free at last at 26, and ready to sign up to a career, and already I'm too old, presumably according to bureaucrats and statisticians. How fair is that!! What a crap world this is
I'm just going to apply anyway if the online form will let me
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From: UK
Carb: I agree. Its a tough world, and we all figure out that no-one owes you a living.
I went through the same heartache when BA dropped their age requirements a few years back, pricing me out of eligibility. At 31 I'm considered by these chappies to be untrainable.
I went through the same heartache when BA dropped their age requirements a few years back, pricing me out of eligibility. At 31 I'm considered by these chappies to be untrainable.
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From: UK
carb,
How long did the sabbatical last, two years? I did a 3 year degree, a masters degree and a year out and I was 'free' by the age of 24.
I started applying for sponsorships rather late at the age of 23. Now that I am 26 I have a small list of things I can refer to when explaining that I am derermined to become a pilot:
A Class One medical, a few hours flying lessons, and about five almost successful pilot sponsorship applications behind me.
In comparison to others, my list of efforts to become a pilot is not very good at all, which is probably why I don't have a sponsorship.
To get a sponsorship you need to be able to prove that flying is your number one priority in life. Before family, before lifestyle, before financial freedom... Can you come up with a believable story as to why you spent so much time in university rather than working in an aviation related job?
It is very hard explaining these decisions. I've been trying for a while without success.
Good luck though!
How long did the sabbatical last, two years? I did a 3 year degree, a masters degree and a year out and I was 'free' by the age of 24.
I started applying for sponsorships rather late at the age of 23. Now that I am 26 I have a small list of things I can refer to when explaining that I am derermined to become a pilot:
A Class One medical, a few hours flying lessons, and about five almost successful pilot sponsorship applications behind me.
In comparison to others, my list of efforts to become a pilot is not very good at all, which is probably why I don't have a sponsorship.
To get a sponsorship you need to be able to prove that flying is your number one priority in life. Before family, before lifestyle, before financial freedom... Can you come up with a believable story as to why you spent so much time in university rather than working in an aviation related job?
It is very hard explaining these decisions. I've been trying for a while without success.
Good luck though!
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From: Domaine de la Romanee-Conti
Hardly any information available on simulflight. Is it a new start up by the old management of Flight 2000 in Ardmore?
Luke Skywalker?
Luke Skywalker?
http://www.mcalpine-training.com/trainingnz.htm
Here's their official website : www.simuflight.co.nz
Yes it's my understanding they're part of the former Flight 2000. It's interesting in that they're certainly not the biggest player at Ardmore airfield, and I don't think they've had a cadet contract before. I can tell you that the management staff at the two 'big' schools on the airfield (Massey and AFS) are absolutely spewing over this
I've never had anything to do with them in terms of business, although I've been inside their premises a few months ago, and remember getting the impression are that their building was extremely small and full to capacity when I saw it, I presume they've got some expansion plans for the buildings to accommodate this cadet contract.
I must add my 2 pence worth, that I consider Ardmore Airfield itself to be an overstretched, uncontrolled nightmare of a place, prepare yourself to share the circuit most days with between one and two dozen non-english-speaking no-situational-awareness mad lunatics of chinese cadets, dodgy-R/T warbirds and twin trainers, and to be cut up on a regular basis by some of the world's worst extremely aggressive and ill mannered instructors both young and old. In addition to that, South Auckland is without a doubt the nastiest, lowest-socio-economic, most slum resembling armpit of a place in New Zealand.
(All those NZ-scenery photos on the Mcalpine website are from the lower South Island which is about a 1000 miles away It would be closer to the truth if anyone's interested to go find a fairly famous NZ movie called "Once Were Warriors", it was filmed in the suburb just across from Ardmore.) Those of you who are lucky enough to get on this course, make sure you take a few looonnng cross countries while you're here, get out south of the Bombay hills and see the real NZ won't you.
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From: Sydney
'TonyBlair' -- Touche! I have, though, fitted in plenty of 'proper' work, just, couldn't quite squeeze a full fATPL into the diary and frankly I'm glad, I'd have missed out on so much else, not least of all some pretty hair-raising cross-country PPL flying.
My point was that for some people just past 26, we haven't necessarily spent the last several years perpetually re-applying, wasting away in some other career, or on the dole or breeding like rabbits. I'm still a commitment-free blank canvass ready to be brainwashed. I'm surely less of a risk than a 19-year old as I've already done everything else that might possibly tempt me to drop out of flight training or an airline job.
'Hoping', thanks... I hadn't thought of the "how come this sudden devotion to a career in aviation?" issue... I reckon I can speak to that given a chance to appear for interview, though. The masters took 2 years as I did an applied project, the sabbatical just 1 year... during which I pioneered the use of budget airlines by student unions sending officers to conferences!!
My point was that for some people just past 26, we haven't necessarily spent the last several years perpetually re-applying, wasting away in some other career, or on the dole or breeding like rabbits. I'm still a commitment-free blank canvass ready to be brainwashed. I'm surely less of a risk than a 19-year old as I've already done everything else that might possibly tempt me to drop out of flight training or an airline job.
'Hoping', thanks... I hadn't thought of the "how come this sudden devotion to a career in aviation?" issue... I reckon I can speak to that given a chance to appear for interview, though. The masters took 2 years as I did an applied project, the sabbatical just 1 year... during which I pioneered the use of budget airlines by student unions sending officers to conferences!!
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From: Planet Earth
Scroggs, you seem to know what's going on!
If I've understood this correctly, when the doors open on 2 Dec, we can apply for 3 sponsorships:
easyJet
JMC
CTCMcAlpine
Financially, they all work in the same way, i.e. CTCMcAlpine sponsor you through basic and intermediate training & then sell your body to an airline who sponsor your advanced training (and get your bond). The only difference in the CTCMcAlpine sponsorship and the airline's is that you don't know which airline you're going for yet, and there are hints that there might be more about to join in other than JMC and easy.
If I've read that right, is there anything to stop me applying for them in turn, or do I have to apply for all at once? If I decide to go for the CTCMcAlpine sponsorship, do I get to choose which airline I'm going to or is it take it or leave it?
Just thinking tactics!
If I've understood this correctly, when the doors open on 2 Dec, we can apply for 3 sponsorships:
easyJet
JMC
CTCMcAlpine
Financially, they all work in the same way, i.e. CTCMcAlpine sponsor you through basic and intermediate training & then sell your body to an airline who sponsor your advanced training (and get your bond). The only difference in the CTCMcAlpine sponsorship and the airline's is that you don't know which airline you're going for yet, and there are hints that there might be more about to join in other than JMC and easy.
If I've read that right, is there anything to stop me applying for them in turn, or do I have to apply for all at once? If I decide to go for the CTCMcAlpine sponsorship, do I get to choose which airline I'm going to or is it take it or leave it?
Just thinking tactics!
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Luke
sounds like good training for some of the places that easy and JMC go to! Seriously though, and before anyone asks, I have no knowlege of the nuts and bolts of the school, its aircraft or its home, and I'm sure we'd all welcome whatever intelligence we can gather.
Sally
as I understand it, your summary is correct. I don't know if you could apply for all three, but I see no reason why not. I assume you would make your application in three different places (the websites of the individual companies), and that, to me, is no different to applying for BA, Britannia and flyBE on the same day.
carb
Sorry mate, but life's tough like that. You have to keep your eyes on all the balls if you're to make the most of your opportunities. As it happens, you're still OK for the JMC scheme - but there are many, many Wannabes a good deal older than you who will never have the chance of a sponsorship. That's because they, like you, decided to do something else with their lives at the age that these things are offered. It's nothing new, and the facts on which this principle of training young are based have been well known (and indisputable) for many years.
Waypoint
The type-rating scheme is, as far as I know, an in-house easyJet thang and has nothing to do with CTC-McAlpine. I can't see why there would be any age limit in particular, but they may state something like 'age commensurate with hours'. This would be similar to many expat-hiring airlines that insist on 'hours commensurate with age', and avoids 58-year olds with 600 hours applying. What they'll be looking for is people who can offer not just the five years of the bond in service, but probably at least five years in a command after that. That means that it's unlikely that anyone over, say, 45 would be eligible. But that's just my guess - for the definitive answer, you'll have to watch the easyJet website. Unless WWW can help?
sounds like good training for some of the places that easy and JMC go to! Seriously though, and before anyone asks, I have no knowlege of the nuts and bolts of the school, its aircraft or its home, and I'm sure we'd all welcome whatever intelligence we can gather.
Sally
as I understand it, your summary is correct. I don't know if you could apply for all three, but I see no reason why not. I assume you would make your application in three different places (the websites of the individual companies), and that, to me, is no different to applying for BA, Britannia and flyBE on the same day.
carb
Sorry mate, but life's tough like that. You have to keep your eyes on all the balls if you're to make the most of your opportunities. As it happens, you're still OK for the JMC scheme - but there are many, many Wannabes a good deal older than you who will never have the chance of a sponsorship. That's because they, like you, decided to do something else with their lives at the age that these things are offered. It's nothing new, and the facts on which this principle of training young are based have been well known (and indisputable) for many years.
Waypoint
The type-rating scheme is, as far as I know, an in-house easyJet thang and has nothing to do with CTC-McAlpine. I can't see why there would be any age limit in particular, but they may state something like 'age commensurate with hours'. This would be similar to many expat-hiring airlines that insist on 'hours commensurate with age', and avoids 58-year olds with 600 hours applying. What they'll be looking for is people who can offer not just the five years of the bond in service, but probably at least five years in a command after that. That means that it's unlikely that anyone over, say, 45 would be eligible. But that's just my guess - for the definitive answer, you'll have to watch the easyJet website. Unless WWW can help?
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From: New Zealand
Ardmore Airfield
Hi Folks
I'd like to echo Luke ST's assesement of Ardmore Airfield traffic. I spent two years flying in NZ, using Ardmore as my base. With two main schools - and a few more much smaller outfits (including Simuflight !!), combined with a large number of sudent / new PPL's and many foreign pilots (with dubious r/t) made for an interesting time whilst in the circuit and general training area. Ardmore is the busiest airfield (also read airport) in NZ.
Having said that I clocked up over 120 + hours x/c and it was the best flying of my life (especially once clear of the Bombay hills or Auckland ) Superb scenery, no traffic, loads of beautiful and challenging airstrips (lots of gravel and grass) and very little radio work. Great if you want to be a bush pilot but big jets ?!
Plus only one runway and no ATC - the place has always been an accident waiting to happen, but the mind boggles to see such an overstretched airfield pushed even further.
I'd like to echo Luke ST's assesement of Ardmore Airfield traffic. I spent two years flying in NZ, using Ardmore as my base. With two main schools - and a few more much smaller outfits (including Simuflight !!), combined with a large number of sudent / new PPL's and many foreign pilots (with dubious r/t) made for an interesting time whilst in the circuit and general training area. Ardmore is the busiest airfield (also read airport) in NZ.
Having said that I clocked up over 120 + hours x/c and it was the best flying of my life (especially once clear of the Bombay hills or Auckland ) Superb scenery, no traffic, loads of beautiful and challenging airstrips (lots of gravel and grass) and very little radio work. Great if you want to be a bush pilot but big jets ?!
Plus only one runway and no ATC - the place has always been an accident waiting to happen, but the mind boggles to see such an overstretched airfield pushed even further.
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From: South London
Scroggs and Sally
Now I could be wrong, and scroggs you really seem to in the know about this scheme, but the way I read it on the CTC-McApline website (page about selection process right down at the bottom http://ctc-mcalpine.com/selection_process.htm) was that:
1. You apply on their website
2. You go through the selection process
3. You are successful and offered a place
4. Once accepted, Easyjet and JMC will then look at you and decide whether they think you are suitable for them - if yes you will be 'assigned' to them, if no you stay as a CTC sponsor.
Now I could be wrong, and scroggs you really seem to in the know about this scheme, but the way I read it on the CTC-McApline website (page about selection process right down at the bottom http://ctc-mcalpine.com/selection_process.htm) was that:
1. You apply on their website
2. You go through the selection process
3. You are successful and offered a place
4. Once accepted, Easyjet and JMC will then look at you and decide whether they think you are suitable for them - if yes you will be 'assigned' to them, if no you stay as a CTC sponsor.
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From: the Milky Way
"No employer will guarantee a job until you have successfully completed all their training and, even then, outside factors can and do screw it up occasionally."
Your damn right outside factors can screw it all up: witness the Aer Lingus cadets. I'd still do it all again without hesitation though and I can't imagine why people would not want to do the EZY course.
Your damn right outside factors can screw it all up: witness the Aer Lingus cadets. I'd still do it all again without hesitation though and I can't imagine why people would not want to do the EZY course.
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From: London
How many times do you think people can apply, is it like Malgus ie you pay the money and then can take the tests (if you're application is accepted of course), or is it one shot saloon or you can re-apply after say one year.
Sagey
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AC
Looks like you're right: CTC McAlpine handle all the applications on behalf of the member airlines, so it's unlikely you could apply for more than one airline. Sorry if I've misled you, or Sally. For more FAQs, check out CTC McAlpine FAQ page.
Looks like you're right: CTC McAlpine handle all the applications on behalf of the member airlines, so it's unlikely you could apply for more than one airline. Sorry if I've misled you, or Sally. For more FAQs, check out CTC McAlpine FAQ page.
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From: Basildon, Essex
Hi, im a new wannabe here. Teaching PPL(A)at EGMC.
I really want this job. Im just about ready to apply for it. One thing i'm wondering about is why, if the airlines are receiving bundles of job applications every day, they decide to advertise these schemes. It's good for us people 'straight out of school', but if we are that determined enough to get ourselves a job, we would send in a cv anyway right? They must have a list of applicants who they are 'tracking to check your career progress'. Why don't they contact the applicants, if they don't already. Just a bit strange I think.
I really want this job. Im just about ready to apply for it. One thing i'm wondering about is why, if the airlines are receiving bundles of job applications every day, they decide to advertise these schemes. It's good for us people 'straight out of school', but if we are that determined enough to get ourselves a job, we would send in a cv anyway right? They must have a list of applicants who they are 'tracking to check your career progress'. Why don't they contact the applicants, if they don't already. Just a bit strange I think.
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From: Hamburg
Hello All
I have a couple of questions for you I am sorry if they are dupplicated but I cant be botherd reading all 6 pages as there seems to be some ping pong goin on.
Anyway
Is it 9 continuous months in NZ?
Where will the training take place in the UK?
I have a Wife and son I am in a good job as an Airbus ac Electrician based in Hamburg do you think its worth giving this up (the job I meen)
Do you think they would let me take my Wife and son with me or should I stay where I am and pay for myself on the modual route?
For the line training I belive you get £1000pm do you think they will let you train in your local area ( My local HUB Liverpool.
Cheers for the info
Phil
I have a couple of questions for you I am sorry if they are dupplicated but I cant be botherd reading all 6 pages as there seems to be some ping pong goin on.
Anyway
Is it 9 continuous months in NZ?
Where will the training take place in the UK?
I have a Wife and son I am in a good job as an Airbus ac Electrician based in Hamburg do you think its worth giving this up (the job I meen)
Do you think they would let me take my Wife and son with me or should I stay where I am and pay for myself on the modual route?
For the line training I belive you get £1000pm do you think they will let you train in your local area ( My local HUB Liverpool.
Cheers for the info
Phil
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From: UK
JMC cadetship maximum age
I've read with interest the 6 pages of debate going on here. I suspect I'm too old at the grand old age of 28, but does anyone know the age limit on the JMC sponsorship, seeing as the Easy and McAlpine ones are 26?
Someone somewhere said they thought it was higher, but I can't find any reference to it on the JMC website. Anyone found the relevant info on the JMC site and can you provide a link?
Thanks guys.
Someone somewhere said they thought it was higher, but I can't find any reference to it on the JMC website. Anyone found the relevant info on the JMC site and can you provide a link?
Thanks guys.