FTE Jerez Feedback?
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Universally recommended, never hear a bad thing about them. Certainly (for my money) the best bet for a top end integrated course with that 'expat instructor' rather British feel. There are other integrated courses in Spain that are considerably cheaper such as flyby (€72000 all inclusive including accommodation versus €120000 at Jerez), but i don't think any others can do dual licences. Mind you, that's not far off half the price.
Edited after noticing you asked about modular training for the CPL / ME / IR, I'm sure they will be just as good. Only one note of caution, integrated schools often start advertising modular courses when times are hard; but when the the market picks up and the ATO prioritises their integrated students (because that's where the big money is) the modular students rapidly become second class customers flying as little as a couple of times a month. It has happened so many times. To be fair I have never seen this at Jerez, but someone may know. I'd also consider Stapleford and Flying Time for the dual licence.
Edited after noticing you asked about modular training for the CPL / ME / IR, I'm sure they will be just as good. Only one note of caution, integrated schools often start advertising modular courses when times are hard; but when the the market picks up and the ATO prioritises their integrated students (because that's where the big money is) the modular students rapidly become second class customers flying as little as a couple of times a month. It has happened so many times. To be fair I have never seen this at Jerez, but someone may know. I'd also consider Stapleford and Flying Time for the dual licence.
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It is common practice amongst the larger ATOs to ensure that the airline students complete on time iaw their contractual arrangements, otherwise what ever penalty clauses are specified are invoked.
As this would undoubtedly concentrates their minds, they will take all measures necessary to ensure that the airline students complete in a timely manner.
It follows therefore that whitetail aka self funding students will suck the hind tit as necessary, despite what any snake oil salesmen infer prior to signing on the line.
Your contracts will normally be heavy in favour of the ATO, probably with little comeback if through no fault of yours, the end date is delayed.
They will simply say ‘read your contract’. As ever CAVEAT EMPTOR
As this would undoubtedly concentrates their minds, they will take all measures necessary to ensure that the airline students complete in a timely manner.
It follows therefore that whitetail aka self funding students will suck the hind tit as necessary, despite what any snake oil salesmen infer prior to signing on the line.
Your contracts will normally be heavy in favour of the ATO, probably with little comeback if through no fault of yours, the end date is delayed.
They will simply say ‘read your contract’. As ever CAVEAT EMPTOR
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Hi all,
I will be starting training at FTE Jerez this spring and would love some insight/advices from those who have been there or are currently training there! For instance, I’m not sure how the accommodation works. I know FTE has two accommodation locations (one on the main campus, the other at la Parra), do you get to pick?
I will be starting training at FTE Jerez this spring and would love some insight/advices from those who have been there or are currently training there! For instance, I’m not sure how the accommodation works. I know FTE has two accommodation locations (one on the main campus, the other at la Parra), do you get to pick?
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Hi all,
I will be starting training at FTE Jerez this spring and would love some insight/advices from those who have been there or are currently training there! For instance, I’m not sure how the accommodation works. I know FTE has two accommodation locations (one on the main campus, the other at la Parra), do you get to pick?
I will be starting training at FTE Jerez this spring and would love some insight/advices from those who have been there or are currently training there! For instance, I’m not sure how the accommodation works. I know FTE has two accommodation locations (one on the main campus, the other at la Parra), do you get to pick?
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Top Flight schools in UK/Europe/ FTE Jerez competitors.
Hi All,
I am looking to start my training on an Integrated ATPL course this year and have been doing my research into flight schools and have come across FTE Jerez as very highly regarding but expensive. I am fortunate to have the cost covered by my parents pushing me to do the Integrated ATPL over a modular route and they tend to get their way. They have had the money set aside for a while as it has always been my dream and we are in a fortunate position where it won't be a large financial burden on the family so I was just looking to see if there are any competitors who are rated as highly as FTE Jerez even if they are slightly more expensive. I have come across Skyborne and am looking to avoid CAE Oxford and L3 but am open to any highly-rated schools in Europe that offer a Integrated ATPL that are as well regarded as FTE Jerez. I have been looking through the forum post but I'm not sure if have missed them or if FTE is just number 1. The only caveat would be accommodation would have to be provided or purchasable. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
I am looking to start my training on an Integrated ATPL course this year and have been doing my research into flight schools and have come across FTE Jerez as very highly regarding but expensive. I am fortunate to have the cost covered by my parents pushing me to do the Integrated ATPL over a modular route and they tend to get their way. They have had the money set aside for a while as it has always been my dream and we are in a fortunate position where it won't be a large financial burden on the family so I was just looking to see if there are any competitors who are rated as highly as FTE Jerez even if they are slightly more expensive. I have come across Skyborne and am looking to avoid CAE Oxford and L3 but am open to any highly-rated schools in Europe that offer a Integrated ATPL that are as well regarded as FTE Jerez. I have been looking through the forum post but I'm not sure if have missed them or if FTE is just number 1. The only caveat would be accommodation would have to be provided or purchasable. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Hi All,
I am looking to start my training on an Integrated ATPL course this year and have been doing my research into flight schools and have come across FTE Jerez as very highly regarding but expensive. I am fortunate to have the cost covered by my parents pushing me to do the Integrated ATPL over a modular route and they tend to get their way. They have had the money set aside for a while as it has always been my dream and we are in a fortunate position where it won't be a large financial burden on the family so I was just looking to see if there are any competitors who are rated as highly as FTE Jerez even if they are slightly more expensive. I have come across Skyborne and am looking to avoid CAE Oxford and L3 but am open to any highly-rated schools in Europe that offer a Integrated ATPL that are as well regarded as FTE Jerez. I have been looking through the forum post but I'm not sure if have missed them or if FTE is just number 1. The only caveat would be accommodation would have to be provided or purchasable. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
I am looking to start my training on an Integrated ATPL course this year and have been doing my research into flight schools and have come across FTE Jerez as very highly regarding but expensive. I am fortunate to have the cost covered by my parents pushing me to do the Integrated ATPL over a modular route and they tend to get their way. They have had the money set aside for a while as it has always been my dream and we are in a fortunate position where it won't be a large financial burden on the family so I was just looking to see if there are any competitors who are rated as highly as FTE Jerez even if they are slightly more expensive. I have come across Skyborne and am looking to avoid CAE Oxford and L3 but am open to any highly-rated schools in Europe that offer a Integrated ATPL that are as well regarded as FTE Jerez. I have been looking through the forum post but I'm not sure if have missed them or if FTE is just number 1. The only caveat would be accommodation would have to be provided or purchasable. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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I don't think you will find better. So they may be expensive, relative to others - I know from my own business experience that companies that are too cheap go out of business first. To quote John Ruskin:
“It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When
you pay too much, you lose a little money - that's all. When you pay
too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you
bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The
common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a
lot - it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well
to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will
have enough to pay for something better.”
“It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When
you pay too much, you lose a little money - that's all. When you pay
too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you
bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The
common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a
lot - it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well
to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will
have enough to pay for something better.”
de minimus non curat lex
It is common practice amongst the larger ATOs to ensure that the airline students complete on time iaw their contractual arrangements, otherwise what ever penalty clauses are specified are invoked.
As this would undoubtedly concentrates their minds, they will take all measures necessary to ensure that the airline students complete in a timely manner.
It follows therefore that whitetail aka self funding students will suck the hind tit as necessary, despite what any snake oil salesmen infer prior to signing on the line.
Your contracts will normally be heavy in favour of the ATO, probably with little comeback if through no fault of yours, the end date is delayed.
They will simply say ‘read your contract’. As ever CAVEAT EMPTOR
As this would undoubtedly concentrates their minds, they will take all measures necessary to ensure that the airline students complete in a timely manner.
It follows therefore that whitetail aka self funding students will suck the hind tit as necessary, despite what any snake oil salesmen infer prior to signing on the line.
Your contracts will normally be heavy in favour of the ATO, probably with little comeback if through no fault of yours, the end date is delayed.
They will simply say ‘read your contract’. As ever CAVEAT EMPTOR
At any ATO, the ‘old hands’ are still present, but most of the younger/other instructors have departed for the airlines.
New inexperienced instructors now have the opportunity to fly.
What should be stable is the MCC/APS which is the acid test as to your suitability for the RHS.
And finally…obtain your Class One Medical before signing up for any course.
Talking of flight training delays, I note that Swiss academy AELO has decided to put its money where its mouth is:
If you do not complete your training in 16 months, you will receive €1,000 for every 10-day delay until you obtain your license!
Some flight schools chose to compete with each other to quote the lowest priced course in the shortest amount of time in a race to the bottom. Many students who chase these offers experience extreme frustration with the unbudgeted extra costs for each additional month to complete their training.
AELO takes a completely opposite approach. We want to make sure pilots get all the time and attention they need to complete the course so they have mastered their craft. If for some reason they have missed our targeted pace of learning, we take responsibility for that. Instead of paying us for more time at our academy like other schools, we take responsibility and pay you for every 10 days your training has been delayed.
https://aeloswiss.com/
If you do not complete your training in 16 months, you will receive €1,000 for every 10-day delay until you obtain your license!
Some flight schools chose to compete with each other to quote the lowest priced course in the shortest amount of time in a race to the bottom. Many students who chase these offers experience extreme frustration with the unbudgeted extra costs for each additional month to complete their training.
AELO takes a completely opposite approach. We want to make sure pilots get all the time and attention they need to complete the course so they have mastered their craft. If for some reason they have missed our targeted pace of learning, we take responsibility for that. Instead of paying us for more time at our academy like other schools, we take responsibility and pay you for every 10 days your training has been delayed.
https://aeloswiss.com/
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Matching resources is the key to success. Given the opportunities, the enthusiastic customers will also want to complete on time as well.
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The secret of Aeloswiss is they only take on the amount of students they can actually handle. They aren’t greedy like other ATOs.
During the covid time when L3 cancelled the contracts 100+ students, Aeloswiss was one of the few schools that stepped up and took in students to finish up their training. Their reputation is well deserved!
During the covid time when L3 cancelled the contracts 100+ students, Aeloswiss was one of the few schools that stepped up and took in students to finish up their training. Their reputation is well deserved!
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parkfell is very right though. There must be some caveats and it would very interesting to see the contract and terms of such a refund guarantee.
It could be anything. A student twists their ankle and is unable to fly for four weeks. Someone has to return home for a few weeks when a family member passes. When does the clock stop and restart or does it void the delay refund entirely?
Is bad weather considered an act of God? What about if two of their twins go tech for a month at the same time - an extraordinary circumstance?
A student's performance isn't considered good enough so they require extra training - what happens then? What if 3/4 of each class are considered not up to standard? Not much of a guarantee if most of the pre-vetted candidates don't meet the standard.
Interestingly, they don't advertise or even publish those terms on their site which doesn't inspire confidence.
Sorry to sound like a total skeptic, but the training industry does that to people sadly.
On FTE, they must have one of the brst reputations out of the schools in Europe.
That said, it's really important to do due diligence. I would say take a visit to their campus. They have an on-site cafe and bar. Pretty easy to get a feel for how things are and to talk to current students there I imagine.
It could be anything. A student twists their ankle and is unable to fly for four weeks. Someone has to return home for a few weeks when a family member passes. When does the clock stop and restart or does it void the delay refund entirely?
Is bad weather considered an act of God? What about if two of their twins go tech for a month at the same time - an extraordinary circumstance?
A student's performance isn't considered good enough so they require extra training - what happens then? What if 3/4 of each class are considered not up to standard? Not much of a guarantee if most of the pre-vetted candidates don't meet the standard.
Interestingly, they don't advertise or even publish those terms on their site which doesn't inspire confidence.
Sorry to sound like a total skeptic, but the training industry does that to people sadly.
On FTE, they must have one of the brst reputations out of the schools in Europe.
That said, it's really important to do due diligence. I would say take a visit to their campus. They have an on-site cafe and bar. Pretty easy to get a feel for how things are and to talk to current students there I imagine.
