Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Wannabes Forums > Professional Pilot Training (includes ground studies)
Reload this Page >

Hour building and what preparation for CPL/IR?

Wikiposts
Search
Professional Pilot Training (includes ground studies) A forum for those on the steep path to that coveted professional licence. Whether studying for the written exams, training for the flight tests or building experience here's where you can hang out.

Hour building and what preparation for CPL/IR?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 1st Aug 2001, 14:59
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: London
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Question Hour building and what preparation for CPL/IR?

I am a 93hr PPL with IMC and have just embarked on a ATPL distance learning course (whilst working). I am anticipating to finish the theoretical stuff in 6-9 months time (not done enough to say more precisely yet), at which time I intend do the flying bit full time.

Mean while, I want to try and build up a few hours flying (here in the uk, due to holiday restrictions). Can anyone can give me suggestions as to constructive ways of building up the hours in preparation for CPL/IR/MR (being sensible with expense!)
dakersg is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2001, 21:08
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: England
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Post

Don't use a GPS, be thorough with your navigation planning, update your flight log throughout the flight including ETA's, don't track crawl, choose hard turning points, be strict with your height holding, practice your basic general handling skills, practice your radio nav and if you're flying with someone get them to give you an unplanned diversion.
TooHotToFly is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2001, 21:20
  #3 (permalink)  
PPRuNe Knight in Shining Armour
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Everywhere in the UK, but not home!
Posts: 503
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Post

And, in addition, try to keep the IMC current, it pays to keep your scan going. I'd advise that you do this with a safety pilot though (you could sweet talk someone for a few sorties). The reason I say this is that I've had an IMC rating for 18 months and not used it very much, I'm now in the middle of my IR training and I realise that my IMC skills were not as good as I thought they were!!

Scan scan scan!!
Snigs is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2001, 23:28
  #4 (permalink)  
WGW
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Post

Carb-Ice

Must bow to your experience - PPL with a mere 65 hours here, but planning on much the same.

From what I can gather, building from PPL to CPL, you should aim to cover the following to bring you up to a total of 150 hours before looking to modular training schools (this from 02FO):

* Min 95 hours P1
* At least one 300 nm x-c, stopping at intermediate airfields
* Min 20 hours x-c flying
* 10 hours night, inc 5 in command, 10 t/o + landings and 2 night flights in command over >= 65 nm to another airfield
* Consider upgrading to complex a/c

Other advice has been as above - navigation, set yourself strict targets of altitude etc, practice manouvres, emergencies, etc.

BMI told me: don't waste time pottering round the sky - do something useful. Practice as much as you can.

Think I'm good for 3 weeks off in Sept, so busy sorting out Oz visa as we speak - damn Code Red slowing everything down. Hope to get in 60 or so hours there, maybe Piper Arrow at £50/hr, then back when the nights close in a bit to get night rating done here, E. Mids or Coventry.

Not sure about IMC - good intro to IR, or better to save your cash to get the necessary done when the time comes?

Also just applied for a credit card at Cahoot.com - 7% APR *standard* rate from what I can gather (though will read the small print when it comes) - better than a career loan it seems, good for 5 or 6 grand for a start...

E-mail me - we should compare notes.

WGW
WGW is offline  
Old 2nd Aug 2001, 17:41
  #5 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: London
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thumbs up

Thanks v.much for the very constructive responses. I'm certainly going to be concentrating on accuracy in my flying, and thorough planning/flight log maintenance. It does all seem to be becoming a bit more second nature with time and experience, which I guess is why the hour requirements are as they are.

I'm intending to get some further IMC practice/training just to ensure it is current (and maybe even improving . I guess, as with most things, the more you do, the more 2nd nature things become and hopefully the better pilot you become.

Certainly want to do the night rating over the winter months. Wasn't too sure if complex training would be useful at this stage, or if just building up P1 hours is better (mine seem a bit low at the moment 32hrs). So was thinking of some longer flights, to different airports and in different airspace. Managed 120nm each way recently, through Solent airspace (cheers folks for the friendly ATC), so not much further to go for that CPL x-country. Maybe some X channel sorties (seeing as though its quite close)??

Either way, I suspect I'll have to do some concentrated hour building just prior to starting the CPL. Time and money and all that.

WGW - I know it was a topic of a previous thread, but I think on balance I'd say definitely go for the IMC. Not so much for the flying in bad weather, but I think your flying becomes much more accurate and you as a pilot become more confident/safer knowing you have the back up of radio navigation/instrument approaches if required. And besides, its good fun. Not sure what others opinions are, but I found RANT 2000 a great package for understanding the basic principles RAD NAV, particularly if you have gaps between sessions and you want refresh your memory and practice an exercise before doing the real thing in the air(no substitute for that). I'll drop you an email as you suggested (would be interested in your experience in oz, as I now have a reason to visit there, and somewhere to stay )

Cheers
dakersg is offline  
Old 3rd Aug 2001, 11:23
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: north of barlu
Posts: 6,207
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Post

All above is good advice keep the IMC work going try the french airfields for practice aproches ,no radar at most of them cheap landings and fuel and UK fuel drawback keep the cost down ,but remember with an IMC the aircraft must be VMC at all times in france so take a safety pilot for when you are under the hood.

Also try some air rallys it will improve your VFR nav no end and is good fun the guernsey rally (mid september)is very good and of course the fuel is ultra cheap in the channel islands who knows you might win a prize but even if you dont you will have a good time.
A and C is offline  
Old 3rd Aug 2001, 22:28
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: uk
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Cool

My only advice is be able to TRIM,TRIM and be able to TRIM..
Trust me,you need as much spare capacity as possible when doing your IR,let the a/c do the flying,you control it,frees you up for all other stuff you have to do..
Paperwork,radios,nav aids,getting ahead,etc

All the best

--NOT NOW-- [img]null[/img]
KATO is offline  
Old 4th Aug 2001, 18:16
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Gatwick
Posts: 220
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Post

Whenever you go flying plan as many MATZ penetrations and zone crossings as you can (ATC permitting) so that when it comes to the training your radio work is so polished that you don't have to allocate spare capacity to thinking what to say to the detriment of your handling.
wysiwyg is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.