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Old 7th Feb 2018, 20:19
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1. All national Authorities are required to generate their exams from the EASA CQB. Some do it by running an algorithm across the entire CQB for that subject getting x questions to meet that LO, y questions to meet another, etc. If they do that the result will be that nearly every student gets a different exam, as the pool of available questions is large. Others take a sample of questions per subject from the CQB, presumably run a validation exercise at national level (so they are not embarrassed by really bad questions) then select their questions from this smaller local database for a period. if they do that the all students will get similar exams in each subject for a period, and the same questions will keep coming up. I think the UK CAA do the latter, hence the last 160/200/300 comments you quote.

2. Only works if they have learned the base material. Three months sounds like overkill, 4 weeks per module should kill it, particularly if they have been exposed to exam questions in the learning phase.

3. In the UK - no difference. If you go outside the Uk see point 1 above.
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 20:29
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Alex you can learn the base material but then attempting the bank you can see how ambiguous some of the answers are to the questions in such subjects such as human performance, in relations to the last 200/300 comment i mentioned its funny that not everyone shares the same view of that scenario when i asked them how was the exams.
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 20:34
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Obviously they are entitled to their opinions! You can pick and choose who you believe.
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 22:39
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I've pretty much hammered the bank on the current exams I'm sitting

Last exam is tomorrow for the session hoping for good results

I really have no other choice other than to hammer the bank as the volume is so much on these exams I'll quickly forget all the theory

Bank hammering helps me remember the theory the best so this is my method

On a side note the students I've talked to all told me their groundschool told them not to use the bank just the books, guess what they are all doing now? They are hammering the bank full time
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 22:42
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You are sitting in the Netherlands? Good luck, let us know how it goes.
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Old 8th Feb 2018, 01:03
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No I'm doing them in the UK

I'll let you know how it goes, hopefully I'll have good results
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Old 8th Feb 2018, 10:04
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Don't use just books.....
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Old 8th Feb 2018, 10:46
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This thread has run it's course surely, with all the time spent posting here and talking to so many people and adding up your chances you could have spent those hours studying, it's getting a bit ridiculous now! We've all done it and some of us still are, you've been given some sound advice here already, there really is not much more people can add.
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Old 8th Feb 2018, 17:04
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Guys, in a session can I do only two subjects?
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Old 8th Feb 2018, 18:14
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It depends on what country you're sitting in, every country does it differently
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Old 9th Feb 2018, 09:29
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Just got the results in the email

Sat 4 exams passed 3

The one I failed I put the least effort into that one and probably didn't deserve a pass on it

Only one exam was quite similar to the bank the other 3 were filled with lots of new questions

So all in all I am satisfied with the results

I would not have passed any exams without the bank so it's definitely needed in my opinion
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Old 10th Feb 2018, 09:03
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Whats odd to me, is the difference between the examination systems!

I got my result at the very end of each subject, after clicking on "submit exam".

In Hungary, we have to do it in 6 sittings within 18 months, and you can do however you like, I did it 3-3-2-2-4 in five rounds.

As far as the original question, QB is a really useful tool, but if thats the only thing you are using, you will have some head scratching moment sitting there- of course it could happen if you study the material aswell.
I read/ CBT-d/youtube-d every part before hitting the bank, writing down notes, and every questions i answered wrong or were somehow intresting. There were a few which I copied various times... Plus I tried to match them in regard of their difficulty, trying to have at least one subject what I can practice on the go (Ie. no need of supplements or desk like FPL or Gennav)
Then the day before the exam, I wrapped up the flagged questions, did one in exam mode and wrote a summary of each subject.


I dont know how are with others, handwriting these stuff down really helps, as after a few hours, you just look at the lenght of the sentences and you just click on the familiar.

I was in the same shoes until recently, Its a pain, its long, its hard but its doable!
I know, there were times I was questioning the end of the last statement!
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Old 10th Feb 2018, 10:09
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Hi Hoduka,

I will probably sit my exams in Hungary too!. what I am doing so far is going just thro aviation exam and try my best to understand the explanations for every question not only for those I get wrong. If still there is something that is not fully clear I would go back to the books. I am using Aviation Exam because it has way better explanations,than any other question bank Ive seen. Would you recommend AE for the Hungarian NKH too, did you see many new questions (those from the ECB4)

thanks
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 10:28
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Hi Mike!

I used aviation exam aswell, I cant recall so much new questions, maybe because they were familiar from avi exam, or from the books or university studies.
From FPL there were a bunch of new (bristol books helped me there) but from Radnav, there was one new only.

There are rumors that a new bunch of questions are coming up soon, but I dont know more about that.

You can sit Austrocontol exams in Budapest aswell.
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 10:59
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From my experience and talking to others UK seems to have one of the tougher exams, I would recommend to avoid the UK and go to Eastern Europe

Cheaper exams and some of them seem to implement the new questions at a slower pace than the UK

Factor in the new quadrant answering system and it's honestly a no brainer to avoid the UK for the exams

Aviation Exam in Eastern Europe will be enough to pass the exams first time

This is just my opinion and from what I have been told by other students about Eastern Europe exams
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 13:30
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thanks a lot guys I really appreciate the tips. I chose Hungary because I did my PPL there. So I know how the registration system ( e-hivatal) and everything else works. for countries where English is not that good or common , to implement new questions must be tougher than for the UK I imagine. In Spain also I've been told the amount of new questions is really really small.

So many pilots nowadays with 95% average passes and now with the new system ... despite the new generation of atpl students having a better grasp of the material. maybe the airlines wont be looking so much at atpl grades anymore because of the "shortage" of pilots haha
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 16:44
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hi negan, it feels like i should have just gone to eastern europe to do my atpls lol, and just hammer the av exam bank to aid me lol, i think in general and what has been said for uk is to do bristol, but i havent met a studnet yet who has said that even hammering the bank once and doing the last 100/200 question exams has helped them with their exams in terms of passing those who have done that have said that they could only recall maybe 5-10 questions from the bank and if that..

what i wanted to ask is that dont big schools know of when easa will be adding new questions to the exams prior to exams being sat etc..

honestly my advice is to learn and use every available means of knowledge in terms of passing the atpls and aiding that knowledge by using bristol or av exams or even both, to top up the knowledge..aside from that i think nothing else can be done.
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 17:17
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I'm not an expert but I believe it's individual to each CAA

Schools might have an idea of when new questions come, it's hard to know if they do or not but I would assume they have a general idea of when questions are coming

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Old 11th Feb 2018, 18:48
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As far as we are concerned they can add new questions every day.

Many Eastern European authorities are still using extremely old question banks (according to a student here), so expect a higher proportion of daft questions.
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 19:45
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Yes it works both ways

On my exams recently in the UK the questions were all crystal clear and worded quite well

I never had to read a question more than once, the questions weren't overly all that difficult but there was a hell of a lot of new questions

Quality of the UK is higher but with quadrant system and the UK CAA being one of the fastest to implement new questions I see very little reason to pick the UK to do the ATPL exams over other CAA's in Eastern Europe where the exams are possibly easier
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