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Old 27th Jan 2018, 13:23
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ATPL help

Hi guys, i've just started my modular atpls at CAE, and so far its been the first week & the amount of info to take it has been over whelming , and then there's the 7 exams to be sat in April 2018, we have been told by a lecturer at the school that 90 % of what we learn of the atpl's is bull crap for when we become pilots

what i wanted to ask is how is this humanely possible , i'm already stressed out as it is and i haven't even gone past the first week , how do i filter out what info to remember and what not too.

Does anyone here know of any external providers that provide additional atpl tuition etc, i have enquired at bristol and they do such revison week's for modules, but as an external student from a different school would this help me get a better idea of the topic im struggling with.. i wish they abolished these atpls

i wanted to ask fellow students and ex studnets whom have studied or are studying how do they do it, i've been going over my notes from lectures and reading them again and again and then there's practising the self generated questions on the bank, so much to do its making me pull out my hair as such, i feel like i've bitten abit too much, i know its only 3 days in and its gonna get tough but how do people do it ...

ps im not spending my time on the q.bank as we have been told that to learn the material/theory as that the caa now can ask the same question but worded different..

what i need help with is how to best plan for revising and what to revise and is there such services for extra tuition available..
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 13:50
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Question banks will be your best friend sir Use them, use them, use them .... and then use them some more.

Now I'm not advocating blind memorisation of answers (although that will be the case for a couple of questions which make no sense to anyone other than the infamous 'examiner') ... what you need to do is use the question banks as your guide for the learning, they'll guide you as to what you really need to know, studying hundreds of pages of books and writing out notes on something which is never gonna be examined is a sure way to add stress and not get the desired results.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 14:00
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but learning the bank will lead to an option where that question may or may not come as each exams are generated different to each student?
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 14:52
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 13:43
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Honestly as a Bristol student the revision course is just to tick a box of the mandatory classroom

It's a good experience but if you studied right they won't be able to tell you anything you haven't already learned on your own

The question bank is all you need as it's simply not possible to remember everything EASA expects you to know because the volume is too high for anybody to know it all

That is why the question banks are so good because they continuously reinforce what you need to know and keep everything fresh in your head

I 100% would not be able to pass exams without the question banks I can read a book 100 times and still it won't sink in and i'll forget it

For studying Aviation Exam has everything you need, you don't need any material because the explanations are quite good and detailed as well as having user comments to clear up any uncertanties

I use both Bristol and Aviation Exam to try and cover all the questions being asked i'm far from a good student and I would say i'm below average in the studying department

I have exams coming up soon i'm nervous as hell but i'm just going to keep at the question banks and hopefully it will be enough for a pass

I have already forgotten 90% of the stuff I learned on my previous exams it's just a filter to keep the pilot numbers low in Europe in my opinion anyway it serves no other purpose from what I can tell as it does not test your knowledge but it only tests your ability to memorise and read the question properly to know what they are asking as there are quite a few tricks on exam questions designed to get you to fail
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 16:42
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.....to know what they are asking as there are quite a few tricks on exam questions designed to get you to fail
Absolute rubbish. For a while I was employed by the CAA as a consultant on the CQB.

I weeded out the questions and answers which were ambiguous and substituted them with ones which were clear and in proper English.

The new questions which I put into the CQB were in the same vein, and there were many.

You will only perceive questions as "tricks" if your knowledge is insufficient and/or you do not understand English.

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Old 28th Jan 2018, 16:49
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Native speaker and currently going through the ATPL

Lots of ambiguous questions and questions with more than one correct answer

But Easa requires you to be a mind reader these days as you have to give the answer the examiner is looking for

The over complication of asking questions is also ridiculous at times, it can be asking for something very simple but the words and phrases used make it completely confusing and I struggle to see what the point of asking the question in that particular way is other than to get me to fail

I have trouble understanding what certain questions are asking I can only imagine how a lv 4 ICAO speaker must feel when tackling these questions
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 17:26
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Well said Negan.

I had a question on an inner loop system, which is easy to understand in theory. When I looked at the answers, there were 4 similar long answers talking about independent variables and control variables which I just couldn’t get my head around. I went home and got the text book out, which had one page on it and I’m still none the wiser.
I thought I knew my stuff but obviously not!
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 17:41
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Yes so many people tell us students we are wrong and we do not study and know our stuff

I find it impossible to come to the opinion the questions are fine when if you take one look through Aviation Exam and can come to a conclusion that there is not a lot of questions with ambiguity there then you must work for EASA

The user comments suggest there are lots of problems with questions and it's the only thing that keeps me from not cracking is seeing other users having similar problems and complaining about the questions

Test my knowledge please that is fine don't make me guess which correct answer you are looking for if multiple answers are correct

Don't try to misdirect with me excessive information not related to the answers

Use simple understandable English that does not require me to read a question more than once, if you have to read a question more than 2 times because you do not understand it then there is a problem with it

As pilots we use very simple English in the cockpit and phrases yet these questions have words in them I have never seen before and may be fine if you have some kind of Aviation background but for normal pilots it seems just inappropriate

EASA is chucking out 1500 new questions a year, in my opinion they should focus more on the quality and not the quantity of questions being created

Then you have previously wrong questions being corrected and updated and you have no idea if they are still looking for the old incorrect answer that was marked correct or they are actually looking for the correct answer and then you are stuck in limbo on the exam asking yourself "which one do I chose, the one i know is marked correct but is wrong or the one that is correct in regards to the statement?"

The only thing giving me a chance to pass the exams are the question banks yet EASA thinks it's not appropriate to use the banks and the way they are going about the ATPL only drives students more to the question banks

It's a counter productive way of getting pilots to learn and the whole ATPL syllabus should be reworked as it's extremely flawed
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 20:34
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Would you only have been able to change questions within the UK CAA or would they have been changed at an EASA level too if you edited them?

For all its faults, the thing I like about the ECQB is that some of the questions and answers are so bizarre that you will never forget the answer again ... it comes handy in the exams!
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 21:37
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would you say majority of the questions related to the easa exams are more on the bristol bank or more on the aviation bank? i dont sit my exams until april, and i may drop some more near the time depending on how its going so far..
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 21:53
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In my opinion

For the UK 100% Bristol is needed

Anywhere else I would opt for Aviation Exam

The guys in my class in UK did very well using Bristol
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 21:56
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thanks for the reply but as i have 7 exams to do in april thats like 7000 questions , what i wanted to ask is how often are these questions being updated and even if i split 1000 question a day for each module are the questions on bristol app repeated again the caa exams as in word for word or are they re worded etc?
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 22:11
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Bristol get most of their feedback from the exam centre at their own headquarters by students fresh out of the exams so it is pretty accurate on that part

Aviation Exam have more users I believe and don't specialise in any CAA unlike Bristol who are mainly UK focused

Aviation Exam tends to get more variety of CAA questions than Bristol, (this is an assumption by me) so they tend to get feedback from questions that the UK have not released yet as each CAA releases their questions at different times during the year

So in theory in my opinion you have a better chance of seeing new questions first with Aviation Exam but you will still need Bristol anyway if you are a UK student because they have the latest questions being asked in the UK and Aviation Exam may not have them yet

From my own experience using both Aviation Exam is better with explanations although a lot of them are far too long and sometimes I prefer the more concise answer with Bristol

Both do the same job in a slightly different way but I have noticed more questions in Aviation Exam and I suppose the more questions you cover the more prepared you will be

But my only sitting I used Bristol and passed all my exams I switched towards the end as my gut feeling said since Bristol are UK based I will stick with them

Bristol students are getting good results with the QB so it must work pretty well for them so for a UK student it makes sense to play it safe with Bristol in my opinion

I'm not going to tell you which one to use as that is your decision and i'm not a sales man and I should be studying instead of writing this so good luck with which ever one you chose you really can not go wrong with either

I personally use both question banks and depending on which mood i'm in and what day it is I use either
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 07:57
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Aviation exam is an excellent tool, however there are some subjects which AE doesn't quite do it alone, namely flight planning. I got bitten badly in that exam with loads of Reduced contingency fuel and PDP calculation questions that I had never seen before ... AE only have a couple of theory questions on this, no actual calculations. Yet BGS had numerous questions on them which I only discovered after the exam. So yes use one mainly ... but do have a look to see what the other has that your main one hasn't covered. Together they almost certainly cover it all though.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 10:32
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My time with the CAA was pre-EASA.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 15:14
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Yes, a lot of us spent time in the Belgrano rationalising suspect questions around then, but only for the UK database. It obviously didn't do much good....
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 18:50
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Guys, do you think It's a good idea to apply for a Ground School or It's a waste of money?
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 19:26
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You have to if you cannot self-certify with an ICAO ATPL and some hours....
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 18:33
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just was told by a fellow student , he had 3 friends who bashed the q bank 3 months before there exams and all passed 75% and over, ps are new 1500 questions added per month per subject as i was also told or its less
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