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Old 28th Sep 2019, 16:31
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The damage is already done

Old timer, now you proved that you are one of the owners of this school with nothing else to do but to keep posting. Yes I know that these posts are affecting your school, they are ruining you actually and I know that as a matter of fact... Stop the act.
To anyone out there reading these posts beware and read the following because this is how this school screwed us ergo ruined lives: we received the information from Jamie, the hired recruiter who lives in England, I thought he was part of the school but weirdly enough I never met him at the beginning, only met him once when he came to visit 5 months afterwards. We did our research and saw everything beautiful and shiny online, website, presentstion etc.. In my case I visited the school, their office at the entrance of Barrio de la Fortuna, they walk me to the small airport, a 10 minites walk and showed me the building and a fleet of airplanes. I was impressed. I told them I'll be thinking about it and I left Spain but in my mind I thought that this is it. Jaime sent me the contract and the banking information to wire the €5000 deposit which I did after a few days. Fastforward to sitting in class in one room in that airport building, we had a succession of 4 different theory instructors in 3 months, no one would stay for some reason but the last one was an abusive insulting instructor. Why did we leave?? In 6 months not 1 hour of flight when we should have been at 100 hours. Why? 3 aircrafts for 60 students and one of the aircrafts was always being repaired. The other 2 were old as well. Do you remember earlier when I said that we were impressed with the fleet of airplanes they had during the 1st discovery visit? When it was too late and we were alteady there we discovered that these airplanes didnt belong to them, Quatro Vientos has 5 other pilot schools so the airplanes of the other schools were gathered together. Quality fly was so dishonest to make us believe that they had a fleet of aircrafts. Next step: How did they screw us? €5000 deposit before attending school and 5 months of payments of €4000 = €20,000 + €5000 = €25,000 what did we get in return? NOTCHING. After the abusive theory instructor and after complaining to management numerous times about him and about the lack of aircrafts, we gave up.. We sat together and talked about it. We had 2 options: stay and keep paying the monthly payments for nothing in return we get an abusive theory instructor or cut our losses and find another school hoping we could get back part of our money. The ripoff: The answer was NO. They told us that they will give us nothing because if we leave no matter the circumstances, we breach the contract that we signed and we get nothing back. We just wanted to study and finish and seeing other students sitting in Madrid after having paid the full amount but only with 20 hours of flying after 18 months we ran and fast. If they are a good school why would they cheat us like that? What have we done? Nothing. We only wanted to study but 6 months without flying? How could we finish in 1 year? You see old timer/part owner, this is how we were screwed. Now did you say that you googled the airplane crash and found nothing well let me help you here since old timers like you don't know how to Google properly and Owners wouldn't want this information out there so here it is: Accident near Madrid on this same website. The instructor was a good person with lots of experience but unfortunately was flying an old aircraft that couldn't be handled after the mishap. I didn't know the student because I was gone already but a tragedy like this shouldn't have happened. That fateful day was on February 6, 2019. Let me give you another link old timer: https://www.google.com/amp/s/elpais....69450.amp.html and here is the official Government website: https://www.fomento.gob.es/organos-c...019/a-005-2019

The one thing that you don't find anywhere are the names. I know the name of the instructor, she was a good person, a good woman. I will not put it here out of respect. I have pictures with her and it saddened me what happened. She didn't deserve this.

On a separate note I congratulate you Quality Fly, you started cleaning up after yourselves on Google. After I exposed you earlier in one of the posts and gave you the ultimatum you removed the old fake account with so many fake 5 stars from your own emoloyees and owners and started a new one.. bravo well done but it won't work.
Juan, this is for you: the clock is ticking, 1 day less.. we are getting closer.. act fast..
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Old 30th Sep 2019, 05:40
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I am disgusted by the fact that you can continue to mention that fatal accident and attribute it to the flight school. The same link that you facilitated leads to the page of the Ministry of Transport and clearly speaks of collision in flight. You are a brat who has nothing better to do than to cover up of insults, recall things and people that should be left out of your tricks. Unfortunately life will teach you, very soon, that certain attitudes and behaviours are not acceptable. I'm disgusted by your words and by the way you are going down on this story.

As for your possible decision to leave the school, it seems clear to me that you have made the wrong decision, and that perhaps you could have "resisted" "by showing up every day in Madrid away from your family and friends" (big deal) for a while longer...by now not only you would have not "lost" the money you want back (why you want it is still beyond me), but you would have probably finished your course (but giving your attitude I doubt it) and maybe you'd be about to start your career (maybe). You decided instead not to wait and evidently not to trust the school, and to go your own way. These decisions clearly have aftereffects that you must be able to accept. And if you don't accept them, then you prove to be a spoiled kid who can't accept the natural consequences of his actions. Regarding your "eight" classmates, well if thats true (and I doubt it strongly) that they also have decided to leave the course with you, I just hope they didn't do it by following your advice... because in that case, then they would probably be extremely pissed off at you, to the point where I would probably not leave the house for fear of meeting them. You have played your cards and lost. Just accept the reality...

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zz (the old timer that one day you could meet and beg for a job ...) stay put kid.

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Old 1st Oct 2019, 17:25
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What an low life you are!!

The 8 left before me. I tried my best with Quality fly and gave up at the end. But you, as one of the owners of Quality fly, keep posting and let's see where this will take you because for every post you put i will answer you back and all this is public, hundreds of eventual students are reading it ergo changing their minds about your crooked school.. Who wants to associate with a low life like you. In my future posts I will put more information and post all your names, I told you before: I have just started, I'm just warming up. As for the fatal crash: reponsibilities will land at your doors soon enough, yes it was a mid air crash but the lousy aircraft was not easily maneuverable to avoid the collision. This was not an accident and it will be proven soon enough. Old timer / owner of Quality fly: NO, never will I ask for a job from you. Where I am, unlike Quality Fly, we have a contract with 2 major airlines. I'm already recruited, I know where i will be in a few months from now. Quality Fly has 0 contracts with an airline, no programs and I doubt an airline would want to associate with you after all this..

To all and everyone reading this: don't be fooled with this fake school, there are better schools out there just do your research properly.

Juan, this is for you: tick tok.. are you counting the days? I am..

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Old 1st Oct 2019, 18:14
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This is mental
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 09:49
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Originally Posted by harveyst View Post
This is mental
totally...the guy is out of control...hormones imbalance
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 10:02
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Threats... deadlines... promise to clean up bad posts and replace with positive ones...

Where does the line between disgruntled complainer and blackmail start?
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 14:09
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THE CONSEQUENCES OF RUINING LIVES

You guys thought that you will steal our money and waist 6 months of our lives will be that easy? Yes.. disgruntled but it's too small of a word.. blackmail? It's our freaking money that we got nothing in return.. 6 months no flight hours and useless theory classes with an incompetent theory instructor. I actually thought I'll be more out of control but I'm too busy with my own great school, 4 flights / week. My own exams, 2 more left. I really thought I'll be way more out of control but out of respect for a friend who perished in one of your airplanes I stopped.. We were sad but we knew why this happened, the few lucky students that flew that specific machine always complained about it, made jokes that they landed safely but one day someone won't.. and someone didn't. 2 of them.
I'm too busy for you but soon I'll be done and will go crazier on you, wait and see.

Juan: tick tock..

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screwed by who? : Quality Fly
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 14:59
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Might discussing your issues with a lawyer be an option. If you paid by a card, there is redress through that route.
If others are affected then a ‘Group Action’ needs to be considered.

This spat on PPRuNe has got the message across to the community, loud & clear. And the Moderators.
No certainty that the ATO will be reading it, or even intend to respond.
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 10:58
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if there were conditions for a group action I am sure that, at this point, this boy would not be here trying so hard to damage the image and reputation of the school. having said that, I consider freedom of expression a fundamental right. but I’m not too much in agreement about using this platform (born to exchange information and opinions) to sow hate, threaten and discredit. I'm sure moderators are aware of it but I would like to see more “interventionism” if certain behaviours become the norm.

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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 13:44
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To use that well known phrase “we are where we are”......

What all future trainees must bear in mind is that the concept of [b]CAVEAT EMPTOR always applies when you are contemplating entering into a contractual agreement.
It is up to you to perform DUE DILIGENCE. The bottom line is that you must satisfy yourself that what has been agreed will occur. Beware of smooooth talking marketing departments.

If a deal seems to good to be true, then it probably is. The cheapest courses on offer require careful scrutiny. Quite simply it may well end in tears.

You must visit the establishments on your shortlist. Speak to the staff and more importantly the trainees(customers).

Spent your money wisely.
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 15:55
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This thread has run its course.

Both sides of the argument have been made and the post above gives wise counsel.

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